EPT[Patch 4.9] RIP Kha'Zix General Discussion - Page 84
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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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Nos-
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Slusher
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heros I'm targeting as possibly buffed by Essence Reaver: Jayce, Varus, Graves, MF?(haven't played enough new mf where her mana costs are much lower, it might not matter), GP | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Essence Whatever > Brutalizer > LW, shockblasts all day ezpz. I think it's a cool item though. I think there's a huge subset of champions who want AD, CDR and mana regen who will be interested, including but not limited to Jayce, Yorick, Quinn, Talon, Urgot, etc. I don't see it being so much a bot lane thing, though. What ADCs really need constant mana regen? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 12 2014 01:03 Ketara wrote: IMO the best case for the new item is probably Jayce. Essence Whatever > Brutalizer > LW, shockblasts all day ezpz. I think it's a cool item though. I think there's a huge subset of champions who want AD, CDR and mana regen who will be interested, including but not limited to Jayce, Yorick, Quinn, Talon, Urgot, etc. I don't see it being so much a bot lane thing, though. What ADCs really need constant mana regen? While champions like lucian don't strictly need it, I think the amped up aggression with it could be pretty strong. | ||
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nafta
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Ketara
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Gahlo
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On June 12 2014 01:11 nafta wrote: Don't think that item is good for marksmen.It is basically a tear so don't really see a reason anyone would get it. It's pretty much the Athenes of AD. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 12 2014 01:12 Ketara wrote: It's a tear with 50 AD and 10% CDR on it, sure. You still waste money on getting mana instead of on an actual item.It is 50 ad and 10% ls for 2500 gold.A tear would slow your build less and give you roughly the same mana.Like sure the 10% cdr is decent but not really that much. Now on champs like pant/jayce it should be pretty good. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
basically my guess will be it comes down to how shitty/good BT is after the patch, and if using this as a replacement is an option | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
On June 12 2014 00:55 Slusher wrote: with the return being on auto attacks only manamune might still be the best on him, not sure tho. Actually I just thought about how the item really affects ADCs tho. Current ADC core items are BT, Shiv and then last whisper. Shiv is more of a filler item for pushing power and the attack speed, the crit being more negligible than anything. Right now, with a lot of top tier ADCs being caster based (excluding TF builds and BotrK rushers), an early essence reaver, BT, then LW is probably way better. Essence gives a lot more during laning phase, and is probably comparable in pushing speed with the added CDR and mana return. With the slight buff to zerk greaves along with the some attack speed runes Im pretty sure we can flat out ignore the loss of attack speed from shiv anyways. The crit is obviously negligible on caster ADCs, who would recieve a higher DPS buff with the added 50 AD compared to the crit and occasional lightning damage. What Im saying is that instead of straight out replacing BT, its just going to replace as a first buy item and replacing static shiv as a core item | ||
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Ketara
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On June 12 2014 01:14 nafta wrote: You still waste money on getting mana instead of on an actual item.It is 50 ad and 10% ls for 2500 gold.A tear would slow your build less and give you roughly the same mana.Like sure the 10% cdr is decent but not really that much. Now on champs like pant/jayce it should be pretty good. Like, 50 AD is worth 1550 gold based off of our new and improved BF sword. Is 10% lifesteal, 10% CDR and mana regen worth 1000 gold? I think so. I think it's a super cost efficient first item. If anything, I think its problem will more be how well it translates into late game fights, where you won't get much mana regen from autos during sieges. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 12 2014 01:32 Ketara wrote: Like, 50 AD is worth 1550 gold based off of our new and improved BF sword. Is 10% lifesteal, 10% CDR and mana regen worth 1000 gold? I think so. I think it's a super cost efficient item. If anything, I think it's problem will more be how well it translates into late game fights, where you won't get much mana regen from autos during sieges. It is cost efficient but that isn't the problem.The problem is it sets you back 2500 gold for a useless stat-mana.It isn't a good item by itself because it delays your real items with crit. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
the other half just have good burst damage instead or malphite who's the ultimate champ because he can have high DPS (40% AD and free tiamat WTFFFF better already than all adcs) high tankiness (40% armour and attack speed slow and 10% hp shield every 6s WTFFFFFFFFFFF) and good cc (infinity range aoe knockup +damage +slow+speed up WTFFFFFFF) malphite biggest hard carry in the game | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
You're going to build it on mana reliant AD casters and assassins. Also probably Gangplank so you can Q everything forever. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 12 2014 01:37 Ketara wrote: I don't think you're going to build it on crit/AS reliant champions. You're going to build it on mana reliant AD casters and assassins. Also probably Gangplank so you can Q everything forever. Who are these champions?I said marksmen don't need this item and it will be good on pant/jayce style champs. | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
On June 12 2014 01:27 Nos- wrote: excluding tf builds and bork rushers is a hilarious way of saying no other adc ?Kog twitch vayne corki On June 12 2014 01:37 Nos- wrote: I also heavily disagree that crit is not a useful stat on an adc Its not that great on caster based ADC....in mid game auto attacking for these guys is more filler damage than anything..Id rather have an extra 50AD and 10% cdr than a measily 25% crit without IE passive when I can just QWR Im talking about guys like Lucian, Varus, Ezreal, Miss Fortune (arguable), Graves, Kogmaw, Corki etc etc I can also imagine Reaver->BotrK->Last whisper since the addition of reaver basically solves Botrk's lack of burst from spells mid game for a lot of ADCs. | ||
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