EPTI just got a guy to afk because he suicided for a kill and another said "report". Well week-ends are still week-ends.
[Patch 4.9] RIP Kha'Zix General Discussion - Page 54
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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I just got a guy to afk because he suicided for a kill and another said "report". Well week-ends are still week-ends. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 08 2014 20:19 IMoperator wrote: i had a question for you guys; do you like how riot does so many patches and balance changes, or do you prefer like a valve/blizzard approach where they don't make balance changes as often? personally, i dont like at all how riot changes the game like every 2 weeks... I don't mind the frequency of the patches, just the quantity of nerfs. | ||
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Sufficiency
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On June 09 2014 06:33 Sufficiency wrote: How good is Talon these days? I am a little tempted to pick him up as a mid laner. He's a really good counter to Kassadin for sure. I think he's strong even after the mana regen nerfs like 20 years ago | ||
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Sufficiency
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 09 2014 07:00 Sufficiency wrote: I wonder what are his bad match ups? Riven? Pantheon. Most stompy top laners imo. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
On June 09 2014 07:05 obesechicken13 wrote: Riven? Pantheon. Most stompy top laners imo. if they go mid sure, but you should never taken talon top cause its asking to get wrecked | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 09 2014 07:14 arb wrote: if they go mid sure, but you should never taken talon top cause its asking to get wrecked Yeah, but those are still his bad matchups. I don't know what his bad matchups are mid if you're just looking at the classical ap carries. | ||
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Frolossus
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Ryuu314
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 09 2014 07:03 ticklishmusic wrote: I think it's more of a why play Talon when Zed is a thing problem Mostly due to Zed's uninspiring win rate in soloQ. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
On June 09 2014 08:20 Sufficiency wrote: Mostly due to Zed's uninspiring win rate in soloQ. First pick/ban Olaf had a shit winrate too. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Competitive play != soloQ. Far from it. If Zed only wins 46% of the time in soloQ, there is something wrong with this champion. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 09 2014 08:10 Ryuu314 wrote: I just think Talon falls off harder than any other AD assassin. He also has a harder time catching up than the other AD assassins. Talons got this weird thing where he can have insanely powerful auto attacks if he sucks shit at spells, or vice versa. his silence damage amp is so good but its just not worth leveling first unless you are getting botrk and focusing on his weakest element. i love the character its one of the few with a design that is both interesting and fun. his numbers get kind of screwy though because of league's need to clear for farm and no cheap farming items. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35091 Posts
On June 09 2014 08:33 Sufficiency wrote: Competitive play != soloQ. Far from it. If Zed only wins 46% of the time in soloQ, there is something wrong with this champion. The point was that a high winrate in soloq is a shitty metric. Please, rub 2 neurons together. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
He doesn't kill shit as easily as others because his mobility just isn't that good (only E basically, compare that to Akali, Zed, Fizz, Riven, etc.) even though his combo at level 3 or 4 can hit hard (he'll take damage too doing it and with E's long cd early on the enemy laner can pot up and keep harassing; he won't 100-0 you at level 6 either like Fizz orr Riven, and he doesn't have poke like Akali or Zed to soften you up with Rake's flat 10s and 600 range). However, because his numbers aren't that bad if he can get one or two autos in on top of his combo, if he gets ahead he can execute people really well and, like Riven, a big chunk of his damage is AoE so he can wreck early dragon fights and skirmishes and get double kills bot too. The short cd on his ult means that compared to Rengar, Zed, etc. if he gets ahead he'll put more pressure on the map because of how often he'll be able to kill you. On the other hand he falls off really hard, has no escape nor defensive steroids (he'll miss out on half of R's damage on his target if he tries to use it to escape), Rake isn't amazing early and that only gets worse later on, E and W keep a long-ish cooldown all game long, etc. If he could keep 1v1ing people (won't happen vs stuff like Jax Trundle or Shyvana) he could splitpush decently due to Rake and Tiamat one-shotting the wave and Q working on towers with a super low 4s cd at max level. He does well on melees in lane because he can punish a last hit with an auto-Q combo and it hurts at low level (hilariously enough, till Sion gets some AP if he tries to get Talon with his shield Talon can just auto-Q and destroy the shield). | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 09 2014 08:44 Gahlo wrote: The point was that a high winrate in soloq is a shitty metric. Please, rub 2 neurons together. High win rate in soloq I feel is actually a great metric. It's just not as good a metric as how well you can play a specific champion. But wanting to learn Talon over Zed because Talon has a 52% win rate to Zed's 46% is fine. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On June 09 2014 08:33 Sufficiency wrote: Competitive play != soloQ. Far from it. If Zed only wins 46% of the time in soloQ, there is something wrong with this champion. Leblanc has a 44.8% win rate. So... | ||
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