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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 07 2014 02:24 GozoShioda wrote: out of all the melee top laners, who gets the most value out of doran's blades outside of rengar? not too many, but I would say lane dominant melees like Renekton and Shyvanna can start dblade fine, as they often get more time to auto attack creeps because of their strengths. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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loSleb
Austria1389 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35144 Posts
On June 07 2014 02:24 GozoShioda wrote: out of all the melee top laners, who gets the most value out of doran's blades outside of rengar? Riven likes it. | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On June 07 2014 02:28 ketchup wrote: Why did people talk about Lux + ardent censer, but forget about Nami? This item is basically made for Nami. But Nami can only heal two people and that's if she doesn't get one of the bounces. On a similar note, I assume Janna's ult would apply the Ardent Censer buff, that sounds pretty sexy. I wonder about Lulu's ult, does that count as a heal? Karma R+E would be pretty sick too, aoe shield, MS and AS buff. Obv Soraka Ult is awesome with it too. Morgana black shield could even be nice in lane. Edit: as below yeah Ali E would probably be best with it as someone else stated previously I think, but it also isn't a tanky item which he kind of needs. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
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GozoShioda
205 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
With his AD buff on Q, dblade prob becomes better with lifesteal quite early on Trundle too. On June 07 2014 02:16 Slayer91 wrote: Omen warmogs is by far the best combo defensively aunfire is decent but mostly good early game and FH is just barely cost effective if you count the active and not the mana but it gives CDR which isnt defensive The active? Do you mean the passive? How would you slap a value on it? FH is also really specialised (imagine FoN without the %MS or something like that?) so after Riot dumped on resistances compared to HP it's really not a great item to build, it's like 3rd big item or something on most champions (I guess tanks could get away with it 2nd, but they come out of the jungle atm so jungling item first), you want a bunch of HP first, especially if the enemy team has some magic damage. I guess on champions like Nautilus or Maokai you could try Golem->Locket (starting with kindlegem if you need the HP)->FH? They're still mighty mana-hungry though, even after FH (plus it's 100 less mana now). On the other hand CDR is so rare now for everything not mage or support, and against certains comps and popular picks (Jax, Yasuo, etc.) the passive is rather neat. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
There are several champions that I bet would use Ardent Censer really well. We just talk about Lux because since Lux shield shields twice and the buff lasts 6 seconds, she could keep 100% uptime with it. Lux also already wants to be building AP, which differentiates her from Thresh and Alistar. Karma is probably the other really good candidate for it I'd think. Whether or not that's broken enough to make Lux support a thing I think it's hard to say. Lux support I think is situationally viable atm but the situations in which she is viable are so rare as to basically not occur. In order to be better than Morgana she needs bot lanes who are focused on poke and harass over strong early engages and all in fights, and teamfights that are focused on AoE damage over single target CC and burst. Critically, Lux support mostly competes with Zyra support, and Zyra doesn't get any benefit from the new item, so if it's strong enough to make Lux more desirable than Zyra, she might see play as support on an occasional basis. That's my opinion anyway. | ||
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Phunkapotamus
United States496 Posts
Though I wouldn't be surprised or upset if it helped make some more champs viable for poke comps. Remember that everyone called Blue Ez shit on paper. | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On June 07 2014 03:12 YouGotNothin wrote: I'm having trouble thinking of who would really want that item, as most ad casters don't benefit that much from life steal. It seems too slot inefficient for a standard ADC item. For some reason it makes me think of top lane, tiger stance Udyr, he had OP sustain back when his turtle stance gave mana.. small amounts of CDR aren''t great on him.. but I won't complain if it makes him viable top again. I am going to try it on mid/top Quinn, that's for sure. | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
On June 07 2014 03:13 Numy wrote: My initial reaction was it is an item to help get mana top laners back into the game. Not sure how well that works in practice though. I agree! It is weird though because in the description they only mention it in the context of ADC's. Sometimes I wonder if Riot does that so that it takes some time for people to figure out what the item is actually good for… Though I don't know the gain in that other than to reward creativity/thinking. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On the downside, FH isn't the greatest item in the world right now, though I guess it might see more play with the Randuin's nerfs. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
the FH nerfs didnt help that though | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
It's kind of sad how Riot moves in this trend of making everything weaker (think old Soraka, Randuin's even Innervating Locket). I guess it's nice because it allows skill to show more by leveraging smaller advantages, but it makes League a little less exciting. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 07 2014 03:35 ticklishmusic wrote: It's kind of sad how Riot moves in this trend of making everything weaker (think old Soraka, Randuin's even Innervating Locket). I guess it's nice because it allows skill to show more by leveraging smaller advantages, but it makes League a little less exciting. you can also argue its making the game less skill based, because you can get outplayed multiple times throughout the game and still end with a W by not being the one making the mistake late game when respawn timers are punishing. because never gaining large advantages means the game can end up being about waiting for respawn timers to hit a point you can capitalize on kills enough to get inhibs. | ||
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YouGotNothin
United States907 Posts
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