EPT[Patch 4.9] RIP Kha'Zix General Discussion - Page 35
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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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JimmiC
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:09 kongoline wrote: pretty sure people would buy FH + giant belt instead Not slot efficient. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:19 JimmiC wrote: LOL you do realize your insulting all the girls I've met without knowing them, which is extremely ignorant, but whatever floats your boat. No you insulted all the girls you've ever met. He's merely following up on your own insult. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:05 Alaric wrote: Even if Randuin's was 500 gold more expensive in its current state you'd buy it. Mikael's just that good. You just won't buy other stuff because compared to before you're already paying 200 gold more, and also something like 400 more for Locket, and now... can't remember the exact number, isn't it like 600 more gold for crucible? So yeah, supports won't have that much gold now either, really, 'cause you gave them more but also made all that shit they could like more expensive. How about reverting some of the changes to gp5, ambient gold, and then reduce the price of utility items like that (and remove the fucking dumb "only one gp5 item" rule while we're at it since they don't have that excuse to force you to choose)? so its fine to have overpowered cheap items on supports that make champions who rely on certain CC unviable as long as you get to have lots of items ? o.o doubt id buy randuins at 500 more gold wtf you'd just get FH and giants belt | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:15 Numy wrote: I thought it was hilarious satire on the whole "ADC need to be stronger". I think Hashinshin plays top lane? I thought it was attention seeking idiocy. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On June 06 2014 17:21 Ryuu314 wrote: I think the diversity is pretty cool the passive sounds great for ADC's as far as I'm concerned push a lane let the adc lifesteal from creeps and your adc has 400 HP how awesome is that Barrier in an item. It depends on how long the shield lasts for that will play the biggest factor. I don't see how frontloaded damage champions will use BT better than IE. Both give same amount of flat damage... I suppose poke strats would use it better than IE, but even then I'd rather have an IE than a BT. I think you're vastly over-valuing the (up to) 400 hp shield. In order to get that max value shield, you not only have to heal to full, but then you have to lifesteal an additional 400 damage, which is quite a lot. Plus, according to the red post, the shield on BT scales heavily non-linearly. Which means that the item timing in which a completed BT *might* out-perform an IE is also when the shield is reasonably weak. Zerks+BT costs the almost same amount as 2Dblade+IE (~300 gold difference). The new BT passive is just not that good imo. A time-decaying, non-linear scaling 400 hp shield that only builds when you're at full hp is just...underwhelming to me. I wish Riot would've given Bloodthirster an activated or triggered ability that doubles or triples your lifesteal. Fits Bloodthirster better thematically plus also acts as a pseudo-"defensive" option. I also think your underrating the value of it in lane it is a nice little bump in power as opposed IE you get it faster cause of the lower price point and then have a timing window when you can force engages that are advantageous to you get the shield up and engage on the ADC before they complete there IE and out scale you a bit (as they should) | ||
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Alaric
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And if really you find the active OP, then nerf the active, don't make the item more expensive. 'cause it'll be built eventually, and the longer you go the less the 3 minutes cd plays a part because teamfights late game aren't as frequent as skirmishes and ganks in the midgame. It's like Grail: "everyone has it, let's nerf the MR!" It won't change anything to how ubiquitous it is because some champions still need it anyway, and LB can still clear easily with W max and still deal a fuckton of damage thanks to all the AP. Nerf the AP so it's harder to clear while only relying on Grail, or to deal damage to champions, keep the MR (maybe nerf it a bit but not as much wtf) so it's still a defensive item ("yeah Chalice already has a defensive follow-up so let's not make Grail that"—THE FUCK? Chalice is fucking defensive by nature, you can't make it suddenly offensive just because you say so by slapping some AP on its follow-up!). Removing the MR won't change much, it'll just buff champions like LB and Ziggs who want to 100-0 or poke from safety because losing MR doesn't matter as much to them as to their victims (like Lulu or "legitimate" Grail users like Orianna). | ||
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Sufficiency
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JimmiC
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Yea it's that too which makes it extra funny I think. It's like a kid throwing a tantrum but instead of desired effect it's just hilarious. On June 07 2014 01:31 JimmiC wrote: Yeah but I did it tongue and cheek and you white knight's need to chill out and get over yourselves. Lol so you make a joke on the net that gets misunderstood and instead of just saying it was a joke you get extremely defensive and lash out? That's an interesting way of clearing up the situation. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:27 Alaric wrote: It's a 180s cd, it's not like you have it for every single fight and can wreck them. And if really you find the active OP, then nerf the active, don't make the item more expensive. 'cause it'll be built eventually, and the longer you go the less the 3 minutes cd plays a part because teamfights late game aren't as frequent as skirmishes and ganks in the midgame. It's like Grail: "everyone has it, let's nerf the MR!" It won't change anything to how ubiquitous it is because some champions still need it anyway, and LB can still clear easily with W max and still deal a fuckton of damage thanks to all the AP. Nerf the AP so it's harder to clear while only relying on Grail, or to deal damage to champions, keep the MR (maybe nerf it a bit but not as much wtf) so it's still a defensive item ("yeah Chalice already has a defensive follow-up so let's not make Grail that"—THE FUCK? Chalice is fucking defensive by nature, you can't make it suddenly offensive just because you say so by slapping some AP on its follow-up!). Removing the MR won't change much, it'll just buff champions like LB and Ziggs who want to 100-0 or poke from safety because losing MR doesn't matter as much to them as to their victims (like Lulu or "legitimate" Grail users like Orianna). you think fights happen more than every 180s consistently? especially in competitive? people didnt "need" grail before they invented the item. therefore nobody needs it. if they nerf the mr less people will buy it. you're just assuming everyone will still go grail every game. of course lulu and orianna are clearly underpowered and what the fuck does a "legitmate" grail user mean ????????????? TL:DR alaric doesnt understand the concept of "cost efficiency" | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:27 Alaric wrote: It's a 180s cd, it's not like you have it for every single fight and can wreck them. And if really you find the active OP, then nerf the active, don't make the item more expensive. 'cause it'll be built eventually, and the longer you go the less the 3 minutes cd plays a part because teamfights late game aren't as frequent as skirmishes and ganks in the midgame. It's like Grail: "everyone has it, let's nerf the MR!" It won't change anything to how ubiquitous it is because some champions still need it anyway, and LB can still clear easily with W max and still deal a fuckton of damage thanks to all the AP. Nerf the AP so it's harder to clear while only relying on Grail, or to deal damage to champions, keep the MR (maybe nerf it a bit but not as much wtf) so it's still a defensive item ("yeah Chalice already has a defensive follow-up so let's not make Grail that"—THE FUCK? Chalice is fucking defensive by nature, you can't make it suddenly offensive just because you say so by slapping some AP on its follow-up!). Removing the MR won't change much, it'll just buff champions like LB and Ziggs who want to 100-0 or poke from safety because losing MR doesn't matter as much to them as to their victims (like Lulu or "legitimate" Grail users like Orianna). It's really not that simple. If grail loses any of its stats it becomes a worse item. You can't just see the world of League in blacks and whites. It's shades of grey and stat nerfs are pretty important. | ||
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Slayer91
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JimmiC
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:40 JimmiC wrote: Extremely defensive and lash out? I think you need t change the tone you read posts with brah. And moving on to lol stuff... Its extremely easy to tell the tone of something someone is saying through text. | ||
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Alaric
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JimmiC
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:19 JimmiC wrote: LOL you do realize your insulting all the girls I've met without knowing them, which is extremely ignorant, but whatever floats your boat. On June 07 2014 01:31 JimmiC wrote: Yeah but I did it tongue and cheek and you white knight's need to chill out and get over yourselves. On June 07 2014 01:40 JimmiC wrote: Extremely defensive and lash out? I think you need t change the tone you read posts with brah. And moving on to lol stuff... I think it's more a case of your words not matching up with your intent. The bold parts all all dismissive which without any body language can easily be taken as passive aggressive or straight aggressive. Calling people names due to them disagreeing with you is almost always seen as aggressive or passive aggressive and dismissive. All signs of being overly defensive. You could have easily followed up jaybrundage's response with a "it's a joke" or something not serious but instead chose to respond in kind. That also agitates the situation. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On June 07 2014 01:31 JimmiC wrote: Yeah but I did it tongue and cheek and you white knight's need to chill out and get over yourselves. There is absolutely nothing in your post to indicate that, but that's besides the point. In every joke there is a hint of truth. You obviously must feel that way in some capacity or it would of never come to your mind to say that. You seem to put more stake in a women's looks then her thoughts and that's fine. There are alot of women who do the very same thing or similar things with a guys material wealth for instance. I am just stating that if you find girls talking annoying it is probably cause you aren't exactly having engaging conversation. Anyway I'm done with the issue. I do find it a bit silly you call this whiteknighting instead of me just expressing my opinions. | ||
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