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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:28 Frolossus wrote: give them a practice schedule punish them for dicking around motivate them Depends on level. Coaching a bronzie for example would be much, much different than coaching a plat or diamond, which would be a lot different than coaching a top LCS player. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35143 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:39 Amui wrote: Depends on level. Coaching a bronzie for example would be much, much different than coaching a plat or diamond, which would be a lot different than coaching a top LCS player. Bronze players tend to not have dedicated coaches. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:55 GolemMadness wrote: TP is good on most top laners. okay thanks | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:51 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: if your going toplane in soloq should you be running tp? or is it one of those it depends things? unless you're sure you can dominate your lane with ignite, always take TP. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I didn't do that last game though. Because we were against a triple AP comp. Morde top, Xerath mid, Ezreal bot (with Thresh). I only realised it when I went to harass Ezreal at level 1 (Lulu by herself tends to shit on that duo, and I had a Lucian with me), ate almost 100 HP from one spell, clicked on him, and noticed the dring and 50 AP. What. Turns out Ezreal goes from shitty laner to nightmare at early levels when he goes AP and skills W, even if we shoved them it's hard to get good harass off when he has a passe-through, fast skillshot with big damage. x') Oh. We had a Veigar mid. He had fun. He managed to outplay Ezreal twice (once barely, flashed a Q into a bush to buy the 2s for his Q to come back up, was beautiful), the third time he just walked up to him, DFG-Q-R. Screw Arcane Shift when you don't need skillshots to kill I guess. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35143 Posts
On June 17 2014 08:26 Kinie wrote: Isn't Champions Summer starting soon, like this week? Wednesday. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On June 17 2014 07:39 Amui wrote: Depends on level. Coaching a bronzie for example would be much, much different than coaching a plat or diamond, which would be a lot different than coaching a top LCS player. I would coach the shit out of some top players. Basically, what you're providing for anyone when you coach them is insight. This manifests itself differently at different levels of play. With bronze players, you're giving them insight into stuff like identifying advantages that come from basic things like last hitting, buying wards, not dying, and calculating risk vs reward. At the top levels, the players are all (generally) strategically and mechanically sound and your coaching will focus more on keeping them on their A game and improving their B and C game so that when they're not dominating, at least they're playing near the skill level that they play at when they're in top form. Dyrus is a prime example of a player who has a good B and C game. Even when he's not crushing or playing at his best, you rarely see him make mistakes simply because he's losing or behind. His B and C games are very solid. This is unlike someone like Doublelift, whose A game is one of the best in the world hands down--but his B and C games are extremely inconsistent, and he has trouble shifting gears. You notice this because even when he's behind he sometimes attempts highly risky plays which, although they have the potential (lol) to equalize or pay out huge, often end up with him simply jumping into multiple members of the opposing team and giving away a kill. I would say that effective coaching starts with grasping where the biggest mental gap is between "ideal" play and execution, and then bringing that to their conscious awareness while motivating them to correct or improve it. For silver and gold players, a lot of this time this comes from straight up getting them to admit that right now, they belong where they're at. For someone to drastically change, they have to first accept themselves as they are. Kinda counterintuitive, but it's true. At the very top level, you want to have both a coach and a strategist (or multiple of each) because the two things are not the same. Coaches direct players to change, while strategists devise plans and tactics to provide their teams with tools and advantages. Honestly though if you're coaching anyone the most effective way to do it is to get them to identify their own areas for improvement so they can work on it themselves. It's about maneuvering around their defense mechanisms (denial, rationalization, intellectualization, projection, etc.) and validating their feelings while simultaneously providing motivation, incentives, and rewards for them to overcome their personal issues. Some people can do this for themselves, while others need more work. I fall into the latter category because I'm used to winning and being right a lot. That's why some of my best teachers have been the ones who have been like DAMN 5HIT U SUCK LOL (Locodoco, Ezpz, Milo, etc.), but it's important to have a balance because otherwise you just crush their ego and they aren't motivated to improve. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On June 17 2014 04:57 ticklishmusic wrote: I don't think Riot realized that defensive stealth isn't really a thing for Twitch and that "nerfing" the stealth time doesn't actually do anything... I mean the skill is called Ambush not "Run Away and Hide". Also, did they not decrease the cost of Athene's? I remember the good old days when Twitch stealth lasted like 50 seconds, and he'd pop out of his stealth with like 150% attack speed from Q/Ult and shit on everyone | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On June 17 2014 10:24 arb wrote: I remember the good old days when Twitch stealth lasted like 50 seconds, and he'd pop out of his stealth with like 150% attack speed from Q/Ult and shit on everyone For me, that was Tuesday. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
10/10 would bison | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Goodbye brokenshard. Now they just need to replace westrice. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On June 17 2014 10:47 Sufficiency wrote: Awwwww... Goodbye brokenshard. Now they just need to replace westrice. Well, they've shown that they're willing to replace players. That is good. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Poor guy. Tried so hard to get in LCS and got kicked in this fashion. Now pleasssssseeeee replace westrice. CoL has to be retarded to keep him playing. Look. Cris is available. Even grabbiing him will be a huge upgrade. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 17 2014 11:02 Sufficiency wrote: They were forced to. Brokenshard was basically out for at leadt 4 weeks. Poor guy. Tried so hard to get in LCS and got kicked in this fashion. Now pleasssssseeeee replace westrice. CoL has to be retarded to keep him playing. Look. Cris is available. Even grabbiing him will be a huge upgrade. "Hunger is the best spice." - TSM, March, 2013. | ||
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