EPTAlso Yasuo has a crapton of dashes as long as he doesn't try to 1v1 you in front of nashor, his ult, some ranged cc with Q, he doesn't really lack stickiness per se.
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Alright, we're going to call it a day with all the Thorin drama, guys. I figured if it was about SI, onGamers, TSM, etc, it had some relevance to League but somehow you guys managed to devolve the discussion into an issue about race of all things. Enough is enough. Let's move along now. -NeoIllusions | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Also Yasuo has a crapton of dashes as long as he doesn't try to 1v1 you in front of nashor, his ult, some ranged cc with Q, he doesn't really lack stickiness per se. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 16 2014 18:39 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: So I asked about this in the MF thread, but can someone answer it for me? Have armor penetration marks gone up in value for ADCs versus flat AD? I feel like they have, especially with a lot of those split health/armor yellow pages I'm seeing lately. I run it on MF because the build is like BT->bruta->LW->Cleaver and that much penetration makes flat more valuable, right? If anyone can clarify with math and some examples I would greatly appreciate it. The slight damage increase isn't worth how much it reduces your pushing and cs-ing. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On June 16 2014 21:26 Alaric wrote: More sustain than the Shiv-IE build, Q applies on-hits and its cd scales with bonus AS, why get BT if you have the ability to build a straight BFS in lane when IE is so much stronger for damage? Also Yasuo has a crapton of dashes as long as he doesn't try to 1v1 you in front of nashor, his ult, some ranged cc with Q, he doesn't really lack stickiness per se. it's so you can dual people with bork shiv | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I'm not convinced though that it isn't better to just get the vamp scepter (for hydra) or bilgewater (if you really want the active) and go straight for the IE. 80% crit chance when everyone else has like 18% is very sexy. Of course in the end game build 240% of BT's 100 damage is much more than 240% of borks 25 damage + 5% current health too. Quickly outscaling bork's active. And Hydra is just really good at 240% of 75 damage and the AoE to split push/heal like a maniac. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
The extra 40 attack speed gives like a second lower CD on Q when you need it the most, to somewhat safetely wave clear | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
His late game feels bad because most players cannot utilize his kit to 100% effectiveness in a chaotic team fight. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On June 16 2014 22:41 obesechicken13 wrote: I'm not convinced though that it isn't better to just get the vamp scepter (for hydra) or bilgewater (if you really want the active) and go straight for the IE. 80% crit chance when everyone else has like 18% is very sexy. Of course in the end game build 240% of BT's 100 damage is much more than 240% of borks 25 damage + 5% current health too. Quickly outscaling bork's active. And Hydra is just really good at 240% of 75 damage and the AoE to split push/heal like a maniac. The problem is the build-path. When you look at the items for shiv and botrk, every individual component is around 400g and increases your damage, allowing you to get stronger every time you shop. IE is much stronger on him, but each part is so expensive (even the recipe is a lot). For a champion that likes to duel a lot and relies on out-dueling, you'd want to get stronger early and not rely on a power spike. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On June 17 2014 00:10 Sufficiency wrote: How is Yasuo's end game lacking? He has so much penetration. His late game feels bad because most players cannot utilize his kit to 100% effectiveness in a chaotic team fight. I think he's saying Yasuo's survivability is lacking, not his end game. I have seen a few streamers and diamond 1s get IE second, but I've definitely seen people do bork second too. No one seems to get a lifesteal item other than botrk anymore though. And yeah, IE's build path is shit. | ||
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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4132 Posts
http://cloth5.com/pbe-roundup-patch-4-10/ | ||
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kongoline
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On June 17 2014 01:39 obesechicken13 wrote: I think he's saying Yasuo's survivability is lacking, not his end game. I have seen a few streamers and diamond 1s get IE second, but I've definitely seen people do bork second too. No one seems to get a lifesteal item other than botrk anymore though. And yeah, IE's build path is shit. It all depends on who your opponent is in lane. Getting harassed a ton? Get the scepter/cutlass first before going into Shiv + IE. Shiv first is generally good because it lets you get the roams off from mid to other lanes, with Cutlass/BotRK allowing you to 1v1 or catch up to people easily enough. They tend to get the BotRK because the AS helps his kit, the LS + passive on-hit works with his Q, and the active helps him chase or escape in a 1v1. In late game it's very difficult to use Yasuo to the max as he generally doesn't have too much tankiness in terms of items (at best he'll have BV + Randuins, at worst GA or no defensive items at all) and is completely reliant on getting Flow built up mid-fight. His skill ceiling is super high, especially in a hectic team fight, but if done right he's probably one of the strongest champions in the game. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:57 cLutZ wrote: At least for solo queue, there are few worse champs than yasuo to play if you have bad ping, particularly in teamfights, because his personal knock up is short, and you don't just want to mindlessly go in if you hit. That is probably a decent chunk of his bad win rate. I find him pretty mechanically demanding in the same way Zed is. Hella fun to play though | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On June 17 2014 04:19 Nos- wrote: I find him pretty mechanically demanding in the same way Zed is. Hella fun to play though Yasuo is incredibly fun. His kit is complex but makes sense and he feels kinda like Lee where you can always pull out huge plays just with your abilities. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 17 2014 04:23 wei2coolman wrote: Lol skarner getting huge change right after scip made his guide. Now he's Braum minus tankiness + crappy damage. Also re: Twitch nerfs Also no crap Twitch is strong now, I'm pretty sure I can find a dozen posts by people here saying that he would be strong after the vision changes... Also, is it me or does Takedown do an insane amount of damage? | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
On June 17 2014 04:52 nafta wrote: Those twitch changes are fucking retarded.They just make his laning SLIGHTLY worse but everything else is the same. more importantly he is a BOTRK user so he will stay one of the best ADs. Youmuu's also got buffed which is pretty much only used by him. | ||
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