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[Patch 4.8] RIP Pantheon General Discussion - Page 11

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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
May 23 2014 04:15 GMT
#201
On May 23 2014 12:58 Terranasaur wrote:
RIP Pantheon has got to be the saddest thread title I have ever seen on TL


Poor Atrioc.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 23 2014 04:19 GMT
#202
On May 23 2014 11:30 Celial wrote:
Braum still remains a slow moving melee champion with no gap closer on his own.

I have the feeling that he is just REALLY REALLY good at punishing people for bad positioning. If you stand somewhere in lane or teamfights where you should not stand, you open yourself to get stunned and will die. I think that is great, in the long run it will increase the awareness and skill of the whole playerbase.

You say this. But unlike melee supports. He doesnt have to commit to anything. His q is a long range. If it misses he's not in a bad position to get rekt.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 23 2014 04:54 GMT
#203
On May 23 2014 12:21 Goumindong wrote:
His passive doesn't do that much damage. Its 12+ 2xlevel per attack (with a bonus attack on the proc, which does as much damage as 5 attacks for only 4 stacks) and once its proced only Braum can add the extra damage. Considering that he has, literally one non-ultimate damaging ability something that takes ticks to pop and only then does damage comparable to Lulu's passive(Which is roughly 3+6/level + .15 AP placable on your AD so that you can benefit from their range and attack speed) isn't all that strong.

Its the slow and stun that makes him strong combined with the ability to body block while also being really tanky

edit: And by tanky i mean its his E.

He has less level 18 health than Thresh, tied with Leona (who are both about 280 behind Best in Class Alistar), though he does have best in class level 18 armor/mr not counting self buffs.

And his E provides a % damage reduction.

https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 23 2014 04:56 GMT
#204
On May 23 2014 13:19 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 11:30 Celial wrote:
Braum still remains a slow moving melee champion with no gap closer on his own.

I have the feeling that he is just REALLY REALLY good at punishing people for bad positioning. If you stand somewhere in lane or teamfights where you should not stand, you open yourself to get stunned and will die. I think that is great, in the long run it will increase the awareness and skill of the whole playerbase.

You say this. But unlike melee supports. He doesnt have to commit to anything. His q is a long range. If it misses he's not in a bad position to get rekt.

And all he has to do to do his job is w to his team's squishies and use the speed boost given by his e to stay in front of them. Plus he has almost no mana costs at all so he can q all day in lane and is naturally tanky so he's really hard to take down. 40% damage reduction on his shield is pretty ridiculous too.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 23 2014 05:53 GMT
#205


DL is kawaii version of idra.
liftlift > tsm
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 23 2014 05:53 GMT
#206
They probably need to reduce the amount of damage reduction on his E but I honestly don't think he's as big of a deal as people are making him out to be. He's up there, for sure, but Thresh provides more utility and I still think Leona is stronger overall. Once people begin to respect his passive and not overextend against his defensive capabilities I think he'll be just a strong pick.

His E needs a nerf, though, but only a small one.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 23 2014 07:01 GMT
#207
On May 23 2014 13:19 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 11:30 Celial wrote:
Braum still remains a slow moving melee champion with no gap closer on his own.

I have the feeling that he is just REALLY REALLY good at punishing people for bad positioning. If you stand somewhere in lane or teamfights where you should not stand, you open yourself to get stunned and will die. I think that is great, in the long run it will increase the awareness and skill of the whole playerbase.

You say this. But unlike melee supports. He doesnt have to commit to anything. His q is a long range. If it misses he's not in a bad position to get rekt.


I agree this is a problem, but it is not Braum's underlying problem. He is merely a niche support (defensive melee support), that is being balanced as if he was a standard support (which is not sustainable).
Freeeeeeedom
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 23 2014 07:10 GMT
#208
On May 23 2014 11:25 FinestHour wrote:
more people eager to play support is hardly a bad thing for the game


It feels like more people want to play support than ADC these days.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
May 23 2014 07:27 GMT
#209
Braum definitely not as amazing as Thresh was. If you really want a nerf, a small decrease on the slow of Q would be all he needs.
I've seen a good amount of ADs stand next to him thinking he doesn't do "that" much damage, but when they play a bit more safely and maintain distance vs him, it is not too bad.
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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 07:34:06
May 23 2014 07:33 GMT
#210
People dride support so hard now. Everyone is always saying how little recognition they get and how they carry every game, and no other role matters because its all on the support to win, it's the new cool thing to do.
I think I remember reading the position popularities were something along the lines of
Mid
Top
Support
ADC
Jungle
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 23 2014 07:56 GMT
#211
There's no way that jungle is the least popular position.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-23 08:04:08
May 23 2014 08:01 GMT
#212
On May 23 2014 16:33 RagequitBM wrote:
People dride support so hard now. Everyone is always saying how little recognition they get and how they carry every game, and no other role matters because its all on the support to win, it's the new cool thing to do.
I think I remember reading the position popularities were something along the lines of
Mid
Top
Support
ADC
Jungle

There might be fewer people listing jungle as their "best", but people are almost always willing to fill jungle, or have it as their 2nd or 3rd preffered role. in the last few months pretty much the only role which I've had people "ask" me to fill has generally been ad. Haven't really been seeing anyone say "I can't support/jungle/top/mid, can you pls?" in months, but with adc it happens relatively often
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 23 2014 08:18 GMT
#213
On May 23 2014 14:53 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
They probably need to reduce the amount of damage reduction on his E but I honestly don't think he's as big of a deal as people are making him out to be. He's up there, for sure, but Thresh provides more utility and I still think Leona is stronger overall. Once people begin to respect his passive and not overextend against his defensive capabilities I think he'll be just a strong pick.

His E needs a nerf, though, but only a small one.


His Q, W, and E need to be nerfed. Q does too much damage for what else it does, W gives too much resistance and his E's overall utility is nuts. Because of the nature of his W/E it means if he gets a gold lead and a fast tank item like randuins or gauntlet or whatever, he becomes unbearably tanky and you can't even damage his teammates if they position behind him. To say he only needs a small nerf is just silly honestly.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
May 23 2014 08:23 GMT
#214
On May 23 2014 17:01 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 16:33 RagequitBM wrote:
People dride support so hard now. Everyone is always saying how little recognition they get and how they carry every game, and no other role matters because its all on the support to win, it's the new cool thing to do.
I think I remember reading the position popularities were something along the lines of
Mid
Top
Support
ADC
Jungle

There might be fewer people listing jungle as their "best", but people are almost always willing to fill jungle, or have it as their 2nd or 3rd preffered role. in the last few months pretty much the only role which I've had people "ask" me to fill has generally been ad. Haven't really been seeing anyone say "I can't support/jungle/top/mid, can you pls?" in months, but with adc it happens relatively often

Well there are people like me. I can play every role except adc, S2 and S3 combined was like 30?% winrate over 100+ games. I've just never bothered to learn it.

But I'm more of a thinking player vs. mechanics, so I tend to not carry ridiculously hard, rather I win by teaching my teammates how to win from a certain point.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 23 2014 08:25 GMT
#215
On May 23 2014 17:01 killerdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 16:33 RagequitBM wrote:
People dride support so hard now. Everyone is always saying how little recognition they get and how they carry every game, and no other role matters because its all on the support to win, it's the new cool thing to do.
I think I remember reading the position popularities were something along the lines of
Mid
Top
Support
ADC
Jungle

There might be fewer people listing jungle as their "best", but people are almost always willing to fill jungle, or have it as their 2nd or 3rd preffered role. in the last few months pretty much the only role which I've had people "ask" me to fill has generally been ad. Haven't really been seeing anyone say "I can't support/jungle/top/mid, can you pls?" in months, but with adc it happens relatively often


At my skill-level nobody wants to fucking play top, so I'm forced to do it and i have no idea what to do LOL.
hi
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
May 23 2014 08:35 GMT
#216
On May 23 2014 17:25 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:01 killerdog wrote:
On May 23 2014 16:33 RagequitBM wrote:
People dride support so hard now. Everyone is always saying how little recognition they get and how they carry every game, and no other role matters because its all on the support to win, it's the new cool thing to do.
I think I remember reading the position popularities were something along the lines of
Mid
Top
Support
ADC
Jungle

There might be fewer people listing jungle as their "best", but people are almost always willing to fill jungle, or have it as their 2nd or 3rd preffered role. in the last few months pretty much the only role which I've had people "ask" me to fill has generally been ad. Haven't really been seeing anyone say "I can't support/jungle/top/mid, can you pls?" in months, but with adc it happens relatively often


At my skill-level nobody wants to fucking play top, so I'm forced to do it and i have no idea what to do LOL.

Hey that's me, I'm always "anything but top". Or when I have to play top I just pick Aatrox, because I got this shit mastered or Shen and just farm, farm, farm, ult from time to time and play this shit safe. I have no idea how to play other top laners. I suck at Renekton, I can do Jayce but after laning phase I seem to be pretty meh... What else? Shyvana ain't no fun for me, same goes to Yorick and other tanky shit. I just don't like playing top tanks.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
May 23 2014 08:37 GMT
#217
What about lane sin, that's always fun.
Glorious SEA doto
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 23 2014 08:51 GMT
#218
On May 23 2014 17:35 739 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2014 17:25 Sponkz wrote:
On May 23 2014 17:01 killerdog wrote:
On May 23 2014 16:33 RagequitBM wrote:
People dride support so hard now. Everyone is always saying how little recognition they get and how they carry every game, and no other role matters because its all on the support to win, it's the new cool thing to do.
I think I remember reading the position popularities were something along the lines of
Mid
Top
Support
ADC
Jungle

There might be fewer people listing jungle as their "best", but people are almost always willing to fill jungle, or have it as their 2nd or 3rd preffered role. in the last few months pretty much the only role which I've had people "ask" me to fill has generally been ad. Haven't really been seeing anyone say "I can't support/jungle/top/mid, can you pls?" in months, but with adc it happens relatively often


At my skill-level nobody wants to fucking play top, so I'm forced to do it and i have no idea what to do LOL.

Hey that's me, I'm always "anything but top". Or when I have to play top I just pick Aatrox, because I got this shit mastered or Shen and just farm, farm, farm, ult from time to time and play this shit safe. I have no idea how to play other top laners. I suck at Renekton, I can do Jayce but after laning phase I seem to be pretty meh... What else? Shyvana ain't no fun for me, same goes to Yorick and other tanky shit. I just don't like playing top tanks.


My problem is not really the picks, it's more when you get into the scenarios of being isolated 1v1 and watching your team fail the 4v4. This happens to me a lot because of the amount of duo Q in diamond >_>
hi
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 23 2014 09:07 GMT
#219
Play Tryndamere. Good times and easy lane wins.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
May 23 2014 09:09 GMT
#220
Finally got around to buying and playing braum. He's absolutely hilarious, some of the most fun I've had in ages. Might need toning down a bit though >.>
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