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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"

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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 11 2014 23:15 GMT
#441
Seriously most people's problem is that they think that because they're good at one role, they should be at whatever level they play that one role at.

If you can't play at least 3 roles at whatever level you think you are, you're not that level. Ideally you should play all but one or even every role. If you can't get carried on your worst 2 roles, you're not as good as you think you are.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 23:24:07
May 11 2014 23:23 GMT
#442
On May 12 2014 08:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Seriously most people's problem is that they think that because they're good at one role, they should be at whatever level they play that one role at.

If you can't play at least 3 roles at whatever level you think you are, you're not that level. Ideally you should play all but one or even every role. If you can't get carried on your worst 2 roles, you're not as good as you think you are.

I actually don't see a problem with that. There are plenty of one trick ponies in solo q, who play the darnedest of champions.

Ideally, it would be best if you could play 2-3 champions for each of the 5 roles but there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. You can climb to D1 with just one champion ezpz. You just have to know that champion on par or better than pros. (e.g. Pretty sure McCashDollar, BatJewMan, etc all know their solo queue champions better than even NA LCS pros.)
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 23:30:20
May 11 2014 23:29 GMT
#443
On May 12 2014 08:10 Velocirapture wrote:
I think that picking appropriate champs is a bigger deal than most people want to admit. Unless you hugely outclass your opponent, winning lane in solo queue is often determined in champ select. It may sound jaded but once you start assuming that you will get ganked ten times in the first ten minutes and get zero help from your allies the viable champ pool shrinks considerably. Renekton/nidalee/lucian etc. are all viable with this assumption and who do we see in D1 play over and over again? Go ahead and play the high risk/high reward champs if you find them more fun but don't then get mad when you go 0-10 because nobody calls mia and your jungle Yi won't leave jungle until he has 20 FF stacks.


no one's saying it's not important, and yes the higher elo it is, the more often games are decided in champion select.

Canceling autoattacks is absolutely important if you want to play a champion well. For example with Xin, you should be autoattacking once then using your Q to cancel the animation EVERY time your Q is up when doing jungle camps. I didn't realize this until very late and it took a while to apply it to ganks and fights. The extra damage you gain my getting that extra auto off can sometimes be game changing, but if you try to cancel when you only have time to get three autos in, thereby missing your knock up, then you fucked up by missing a CC. No one's saying counters, csing, dragons, calls, timing, communication, pinging, etc, any of those things aren't important, but it's pretty dumb to say any one of those things are the MOST important or MORE important than the other. Without knowing specifically what someone needs to work on, it does nothing but clog up the forum to give aimless and general advice.

Also please don't speak for entire elo brackets unless it's like challenger or D1. You have no idea how 99% of the games at your elo play out.

and yes i puked a little when i read the sufficiency post
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
May 12 2014 00:10 GMT
#444
On May 12 2014 08:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Seriously most people's problem is that they think that because they're good at one role, they should be at whatever level they play that one role at.

If you can't play at least 3 roles at whatever level you think you are, you're not that level. Ideally you should play all but one or even every role. If you can't get carried on your worst 2 roles, you're not as good as you think you are.

dodge your way to high elo like I did
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
May 12 2014 00:12 GMT
#445
The secret is to play duoq so you dont get duos on your team.You are becoming the cancer instead of trying to beat it.All you have to do is be better than the cancer on the other team and its free win.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 12 2014 00:12 GMT
#446
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 12 2014 00:22 GMT
#447
if they have asian hands and play a mechanically demanding position then sure.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 12 2014 00:28 GMT
#448
I think the easiest way to improve is to not do the Genja builds, which I see way too often.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
May 12 2014 00:37 GMT
#449
On May 12 2014 09:28 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the easiest way to improve is to not do the Genja builds, which I see way too often.

But sometimes, you need a Zephyr. Or 3 dorans into tear.
Steam: rook492
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 12 2014 00:50 GMT
#450
On May 12 2014 09:28 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the easiest way to improve is to not do the Genja builds, which I see way too often.

Machete, BT, double PD J4. I never wanted to kill somebody more in my life.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 12 2014 01:20 GMT
#451
On May 12 2014 09:28 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the easiest way to improve is to not do the Genja builds, which I see way too often.

I literally don't understand why they keep on t he team when he does dumb shit like that.
It's not even like accidently getting caught dumb its just pure extra chromosome level stupidity
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 01:21:48
May 12 2014 01:21 GMT
#452
On May 12 2014 09:50 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 09:28 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the easiest way to improve is to not do the Genja builds, which I see way too often.

Machete, BT, double PD J4. I never wanted to kill somebody more in my life.

If you can afford that on j4, you're probably winning. Or you're playing against clg.eu.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
May 12 2014 01:31 GMT
#453
On May 12 2014 10:20 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 09:28 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the easiest way to improve is to not do the Genja builds, which I see way too often.

I literally don't understand why they keep on t he team when he does dumb shit like that.
It's not even like accidently getting caught dumb its just pure extra chromosome level stupidity


I actually used the phrase "genja build" as a general term for "bad builds".

But yeah, I think his itemization choices are a bit questionable.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 12 2014 01:43 GMT
#454
On May 12 2014 10:20 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 09:28 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the easiest way to improve is to not do the Genja builds, which I see way too often.

I literally don't understand why they keep on t he team when he does dumb shit like that.
It's not even like accidently getting caught dumb its just pure extra chromosome level stupidity

The issue with Gambit is that, as the team is constructed, all the player MUST be fluent in Russian to run at peak efficiency. This greatly limits the pool of players they can draw from. It's also why you'll see other EU teams from all over the place, but it all works out because they all speak a common language(usually English).

In short, #1 and #2 AD might not seem like a big deal, but it is when #2 Russian speaker might be #36(just an example) AD.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
May 12 2014 01:46 GMT
#455
Yes but like all Genja has to do is build different items. Its not like that is some sort of skill which is hard to learn, practice, or is limited by raw physical talent.

It would be like if a baseball catcher regularly went behind the plate with a outfielders glove.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 01:52:22
May 12 2014 01:51 GMT
#456
So basically, knowing English is an essential tool for any kind of job and will get you far.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 01:55:50
May 12 2014 01:54 GMT
#457
On May 12 2014 10:46 Goumindong wrote:
Yes but like all Genja has to do is build different items. Its not like that is some sort of skill which is hard to learn, practice, or is limited by raw physical talent.

It would be like if a baseball catcher regularly went behind the plate with a outfielders glove.

His team has told him to change, but he refuses to. Alex went over it briefly with his exit interview from Gambit, saying a lot of his teammates are very averse to contructive citicism because they think they're all gods at their position. Outside of Edward, he has had a strictly buisness relationship with them for a while now. Specifically Genja and Darien.

On May 12 2014 10:51 Sufficiency wrote:
So basically, knowing English is an essential tool for any kind of job and will get you far.

In such a linguistically dense region + large American soft power presence, yeah.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
May 12 2014 02:01 GMT
#458
On May 12 2014 10:21 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 09:50 Gahlo wrote:
On May 12 2014 09:28 Sufficiency wrote:
I think the easiest way to improve is to not do the Genja builds, which I see way too often.

Machete, BT, double PD J4. I never wanted to kill somebody more in my life.

If you can afford that on j4, you're probably winning. Or you're playing against clg.eu.

Or he's on Garena server
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
May 12 2014 02:05 GMT
#459
On May 12 2014 10:46 Goumindong wrote:
Yes but like all Genja has to do is build different items. Its not like that is some sort of skill which is hard to learn, practice, or is limited by raw physical talent.

It would be like if a baseball catcher regularly went behind the plate with a outfielders glove.


I approve of this metaphor, using anything other than a catcher's mitt hurts like a fucking bitch, even the padding in the glove doesn't protect you if you have a hard thrower, or a foul.

Genja needs to get relegated, I hate to say it, but Gambit needs the wake-up call. Fnatic to a lesser extent as well, you shouldn't be able to be absolutely shit for 2-3 weeks, and then come back and win the entire split, it doesn't feel right.
Steam: rook492
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 02:25:40
May 12 2014 02:25 GMT
#460
Most people simply don't have the proper mentality for improving, which if fine if you just want to play for fun and don't really care that much. If you do though, you have to actively work on improving. Just playing games and hoping to get better will only get you so far. It's an active process.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
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