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Updated TL LoL policy in regards to the use of "lomo"
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 04 2014 20:42 GMT
#2381
On May 05 2014 05:26 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 05:21 RouaF wrote:
On May 05 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2014 05:00 kongoline wrote:
this game is so full of obnoxious shit right now i lost all will to play, feral flare and soraka with new heal are cancer and deserve to be removed from the game

feral flare is not an issue. if you can't fucking pick an early game jungler and punish a guy for afk farming for the first 15 minutes of the game, that's on you, not cuz of feral flare.

amen to soraka doe, fuck cancer heals.

Strangely enough even in diamond 1 the comp with feral flare junglers and heals works perfectly. Seems like only lane swaps and fast tower push can really punish it and nobody wants to play like this in solo queue.

Given lomoQ's record with laneswaps I'm semi-convinced that lomoQ would find a way to die in a 4v0.


lol the one time I ever agreed to lane swap in s3 my "bot lane" got double killed by the standard 3 min gank top
Carrilord has arrived.
GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
May 04 2014 20:49 GMT
#2382
On May 05 2014 04:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 04:48 GranDim wrote:
Can someone fill me in on why they were thinking replacing xpecial was a good idea? At least oddone was the an obvious weak link, xpecial carried them to keep NA #2 spot like 2 weeks ago.

Xpecial was because of attitude problem. TOO because of performance issues (although, i don't think it was made clear whether or not it was management choice.)
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 04:47 RouaF wrote:
On May 05 2014 03:56 Slusher wrote:
I really wish Riot would hire a good analyst for the NA and EU LCS not even for the EU and NA lcs themselves but so that someone out there can have the platform to tell Monte to stfu from time to time, I really like Montecritso but he's gone unchecked for so long by being the only actual analyst with a platform that everything half the things he says come off as arrogant even if accurate.


I agree with this. Montecristo's gone to "a guy that lives with the korean scene and learns from them" to "everything I say is korean knowledge and I am right". Not only is he not a player (and as a consequence doesn't have the insights the teams have) but also koreans have been wrong on the meta quite a lot of times already. His ego is starting to show a little too much but meanwhile in europe we have Quickshot as an analyst sooooo ....

wut?



Why would xpecial be giving a tryout for his own spot if he's leaving due to attidute?
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 20:53:30
May 04 2014 20:51 GMT
#2383
On May 05 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 05:00 kongoline wrote:
this game is so full of obnoxious shit right now i lost all will to play, feral flare and soraka with new heal are cancer and deserve to be removed from the game

feral flare is not an issue. if you can't fucking pick an early game jungler and punish a guy for afk farming for the first 15 minutes of the game, that's on you, not cuz of feral flare.

amen to soraka doe, fuck cancer heals.

pretty sure every top jungler said that feral flare is broken
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 04 2014 20:52 GMT
#2384
some parts of it are strong but not what they are nerfing.
Carrilord has arrived.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 20:53:11
May 04 2014 20:52 GMT
#2385
On May 05 2014 05:49 GranDim wrote:
Why would xpecial be giving a tryout for his own spot if he's leaving due to attidute?

To check whether he can use constructive criticism instead of passive-aggressiveness at least when he knows his spot on the team is on the line? To check whether he's so much better than the other guy that his attitude doesn't even matter?
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 04 2014 20:53 GMT
#2386
On May 05 2014 05:51 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2014 05:00 kongoline wrote:
this game is so full of obnoxious shit right now i lost all will to play, feral flare and soraka with new heal are cancer and deserve to be removed from the game

feral flare is not an issue. if you can't fucking pick an early game jungler and punish a guy for afk farming for the first 15 minutes of the game, that's on you, not cuz of feral flare.

amen to soraka doe, fuck cancer heals.

pretty sure every top jungler said that feral flare is broken

lol, no.
maybe it's initial iteration that only required 25 stacks was a bit over tuned. currently it's actually not that great.
liftlift > tsm
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 04 2014 20:55 GMT
#2387
barring uncapped stacks becoming problematic the live version is a Strong item, don't know if I would say OP, now if your game goes 50 min (which solo q can do) then lol
Carrilord has arrived.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 20:58:14
May 04 2014 20:57 GMT
#2388
On May 05 2014 05:53 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 05:51 kongoline wrote:
On May 05 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2014 05:00 kongoline wrote:
this game is so full of obnoxious shit right now i lost all will to play, feral flare and soraka with new heal are cancer and deserve to be removed from the game

feral flare is not an issue. if you can't fucking pick an early game jungler and punish a guy for afk farming for the first 15 minutes of the game, that's on you, not cuz of feral flare.

amen to soraka doe, fuck cancer heals.

pretty sure every top jungler said that feral flare is broken

lol, no.
maybe it's initial iteration that only required 25 stacks was a bit over tuned. currently it's actually not that great.


lol champions like udyr, shyv, noc or yi can still get to max stacks in 12-15minutes, its not only dmg but the fact it gives shit ton of gold and makes clear speed ultra fast which allows junglers to out-level and gain more gold than laners without problems laners have, so naturally weak laners but hypercarries late game like yi or jax can jsut sit and farm their items
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 04 2014 21:00 GMT
#2389
On May 05 2014 05:55 Slusher wrote:
barring uncapped stacks becoming problematic the live version is a Strong item, don't know if I would say OP, now if your game goes 50 min (which solo q can do) then lol

games regularly go like 30-40 minutes it feels like.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-04 21:06:42
May 04 2014 21:05 GMT
#2390
On May 05 2014 05:57 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 05:53 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2014 05:51 kongoline wrote:
On May 05 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 05 2014 05:00 kongoline wrote:
this game is so full of obnoxious shit right now i lost all will to play, feral flare and soraka with new heal are cancer and deserve to be removed from the game

feral flare is not an issue. if you can't fucking pick an early game jungler and punish a guy for afk farming for the first 15 minutes of the game, that's on you, not cuz of feral flare.

amen to soraka doe, fuck cancer heals.

pretty sure every top jungler said that feral flare is broken

lol, no.
maybe it's initial iteration that only required 25 stacks was a bit over tuned. currently it's actually not that great.


lol champions like udyr, shyv, noc or yi can still get to max stacks in 12-15minutes, its not only dmg but the fact it gives shit ton of gold and makes clear speed ultra fast which allows junglers to out-level and gain more gold than laners without problems laners have, so naturally weak laners but hypercarries late game like yi or jax can jsut sit and farm their items

all while being away from their team for 15 minutes. Depends how much you value 5v4ing the first 15 minutes of the game. If you're playing a champ that can't early gank, and doesn't build feral flare, then yeah, you're shit out of luck.
On May 05 2014 05:55 Slusher wrote:
barring uncapped stacks becoming problematic the live version is a Strong item, don't know if I would say OP, now if your game goes 50 min (which solo q can do) then lol

It's also just as likely for games to be stomps, there plenty of games where the feral flare only team gets shit stomped early on, and even 30 minutes into the game, they still can't get their feral flare stacked because they have no control of their jungle, and their lanes are trying to scrape by taking jungle farm.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 04 2014 21:05 GMT
#2391
FF's problem is that it didn't help Maokai and Maokai-like junglers, which are the ones that actually need help...
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 04 2014 21:08 GMT
#2392
On May 05 2014 06:05 cLutZ wrote:
FF's problem is that it didn't help Maokai and Maokai-like junglers, which are the ones that actually need help...

Well, you can't deny that FF widened up the jungle pool as well, with stuff like Twitch, Yi, Shyv, Jax, and more Noc. It was nice step forward for jungle pool.
liftlift > tsm
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 04 2014 21:10 GMT
#2393
Out of all the roster changes, this Xpecial business is the most shocking one to me. This is very weird.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
May 04 2014 21:12 GMT
#2394
I mean assuming everything we've been told is true, that he was cut for being a dick to his team, then yea it's going to look weird to people not in the team.
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 04 2014 21:16 GMT
#2395
On May 05 2014 06:08 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 06:05 cLutZ wrote:
FF's problem is that it didn't help Maokai and Maokai-like junglers, which are the ones that actually need help...

Well, you can't deny that FF widened up the jungle pool as well, with stuff like Twitch, Yi, Shyv, Jax, and more Noc. It was nice step forward for jungle pool.


Certainly it did aid those junglers, but I think it made them viable in an unsustainable fashion (which we are seeing as a result of the nerfs). Part of it is because it caused a huge schism between Pro play and SoloQ, and part of it because the item was so strong that it let priority 4 champions beat priority 1-3 champions in duels, which caused unteneble splitpush advantages.

I.E., its fine if your toplane Jax requires my Toplane to stop, but not really fine when your jungle Jax does, unless that jungle Jax is actually a priority 3 champion (but thats not what FF does).
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 04 2014 21:21 GMT
#2396
Isn't that how it's been for a while though? at least in regards to junglers vs ADC. ADC's got their shit stomped by jungler for a long ass time, despite getting baby sat. It just changes the dynamic that they can occasionally deal with mid champs that have blown their ult. They're still not beating carry top laners, since top laners can skip FF and go straight into TF+BotRK, which is strictly speaking better than FF+BotRK.

I would say more FF jungle does end up being priority 3 champs, difference is they're giving up jungle farm to the jungler, rather than laners past the midgame.
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 04 2014 21:41 GMT
#2397
TSM is net positive after all the roster changes imo. Amazing's more of an upgrade than the loss of Xpecial.

I've been playing solo q again and it feels fine. Soraka is pretty toxic but if you have her banned, summoner Heal isn't that bad.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
May 04 2014 21:42 GMT
#2398
I feel like the game would be more enjoyable if heal were just removed.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 04 2014 21:44 GMT
#2399
On May 05 2014 06:42 GolemMadness wrote:
I feel like the game would be more enjoyable if heal were just removed.

it's a just a number thing. not enough, and barrier is the go to, too much and barrier is irrelevant.
meanwhile cleanse is sitting in a corner crying.
liftlift > tsm
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 04 2014 21:44 GMT
#2400
On May 05 2014 04:13 AlterKot wrote:
I like the guy, but based on the footage we have he doesn't look on par with other NA toplaners.

You probably started playing this game WAY after Westrice's heyday.

On May 05 2014 04:48 GranDim wrote:
Can someone fill me in on why they were thinking replacing xpecial was a good idea? At least oddone was the an obvious weak link, xpecial carried them to keep NA #2 spot like 2 weeks ago.

Xpecial was 2nd best player on team behind bjerg...
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