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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 04 2014 06:32 GMT
#361
25 range nerf on Ziggs autoattack doesn't hurt that bad, already played yesterday him mid lane, only had troubles against Zed - but Zed is always a hard lane vs Ziggy, still doing fine, still can waveclear with no problems.

Been playing with Graves after those slight buffs, can't see the difference yet.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 04 2014 06:38 GMT
#362
On April 04 2014 15:32 739 wrote:

Been playing with Graves after those slight buffs, can't see the difference yet.


IMO Graves still going to suffer from being shorter-ranged than Cait/Jinx/Varus, not as good a duelist as Lucian/Draven, and not as good at bursting people as Sivir/MF/Trist.

Everything he does, someone else can do better. Slight ult buffs aren't going to change that.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 04 2014 06:39 GMT
#363
On April 04 2014 15:38 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 15:32 739 wrote:

Been playing with Graves after those slight buffs, can't see the difference yet.


IMO Graves still going to suffer from being shorter-ranged than Cait/Jinx/Varus, not as good a duelist as Lucian/Draven, and not as good at bursting people as Sivir/MF/Trist.

Everything he does, someone else can do better. Slight ult buffs aren't going to change that.

The only thing he excels at as an AD is smokescreen, but even that is "whoopy-doo" territory.
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 07:48:14
April 04 2014 06:41 GMT
#364
Top: Same I think. There are simply too many ways for two bruisers to force trade to take anything else. All-ins can happen as early as level 2. The only exception would be Irelia or any champ you normally run Health Regen Quints + Armor Seal with. You want to switch it around now. Armor Quints + Health Regen Seals. You will have about 5 more armors than before but 3 lower HP/5. However, don't forget that armor makes each point of regen more effective.

AP Mid: Scaling health or Armor seals. Consider switching out AP quints for flat CDR too. Most AD mids are assassins. Scaling armor reach 8.6 at level 6 so it almost evens out the flat armor seals by the time he starts being strong. You still have the +4 base armor and whatever early scaling armor gives you so you should still crap on him before that.

AD Mid: I think you gain more from flat health seals now but I'm not sure if it's really worth it.

Marksman: I personally do 1 Armor quints + 2 Attack Speed for most. 2 AD quints for someone like Urgot or Ezreal instead. Scaling Armor seals instead of flat. Either all flat MR or 5 MR + 4 Mana regen gylphs.

Support: I would like to say same but CDR quints are more attractive now.
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 04 2014 06:41 GMT
#365
Yeah I know that but I'm just wondering what is a good way to buff him and not make him broken and see him nerfed like crap after. Autoattack range buff? Remake of Smoke Screen? Range buff on ult? No idea.
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silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
April 04 2014 06:54 GMT
#366
On April 04 2014 15:41 739 wrote:
Yeah I know that but I'm just wondering what is a good way to buff him and not make him broken and see him nerfed like crap after. Autoattack range buff? Remake of Smoke Screen? Range buff on ult? No idea.


They could just revert all his nerfs 1 by 1 'til he's in a good spot again.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 07:04:37
April 04 2014 07:03 GMT
#367
On April 04 2014 15:54 silencefc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 15:41 739 wrote:
Yeah I know that but I'm just wondering what is a good way to buff him and not make him broken and see him nerfed like crap after. Autoattack range buff? Remake of Smoke Screen? Range buff on ult? No idea.


They could just revert all his nerfs 1 by 1 'til he's in a good spot again.

Riot has rarely ever reverted nerfs. They'll buff in other areas, but taking back a nerf is hardly ever done.

It's something I've never understood, where nerfs come in to keep a champ in check in a certain meta, the meta changes, and then that nerf is suddenly overbearing and unneeded.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 07:13:36
April 04 2014 07:12 GMT
#368
On April 04 2014 15:41 739 wrote:
Yeah I know that but I'm just wondering what is a good way to buff him and not make him broken and see him nerfed like crap after. Autoattack range buff? Remake of Smoke Screen? Range buff on ult? No idea.

His whole deal is to be a short range burst AD carry. They need to buff his passive, and Q damage at the very least but will probably needs a range buff too. The Graves wet dream is to quickdraw in, and then get off a massive buckshot/collateral damage combo, and then auto people down while you wait for your cooldowns.

On April 04 2014 16:03 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 15:54 silencefc wrote:
On April 04 2014 15:41 739 wrote:
Yeah I know that but I'm just wondering what is a good way to buff him and not make him broken and see him nerfed like crap after. Autoattack range buff? Remake of Smoke Screen? Range buff on ult? No idea.


They could just revert all his nerfs 1 by 1 'til he's in a good spot again.

Riot has rarely ever reverted nerfs. They'll buff in other areas, but taking back a nerf is hardly ever done.

It's something I've never understood, where nerfs come in to keep a champ in check in a certain meta, the meta changes, and then that nerf is suddenly overbearing and unneeded.

Riot reverts a lot of nerfs, they just take their time in doing so.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
April 04 2014 07:13 GMT
#369
On April 04 2014 16:03 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 15:54 silencefc wrote:
On April 04 2014 15:41 739 wrote:
Yeah I know that but I'm just wondering what is a good way to buff him and not make him broken and see him nerfed like crap after. Autoattack range buff? Remake of Smoke Screen? Range buff on ult? No idea.


They could just revert all his nerfs 1 by 1 'til he's in a good spot again.

Riot has rarely ever reverted nerfs. They'll buff in other areas, but taking back a nerf is hardly ever done.

It's something I've never understood, where nerfs come in to keep a champ in check in a certain meta, the meta changes, and then that nerf is suddenly overbearing and unneeded.


I see nerfs partially reverted fairly often. Recent examples being TF and Eve's Q.
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craaaaack
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
479 Posts
April 04 2014 07:15 GMT
#370
On April 04 2014 14:14 FinestHour wrote:
sword of the occult stacking so silly; played a bot game, team was very noob and I ksed all kills heavily with cait, so it got to 50 minute mark.
By that point, between crit passive, mostly 5 sword of the occults, and infinity edge, i was hitting for a lot.


wait, so stacking occult/mejai's works? Isn't it supposed to be unique passive?
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 07:26:00
April 04 2014 07:25 GMT
#371
On April 04 2014 15:26 FinestHour wrote:
POINT being anything is silly in le bot game huehueheuheue


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Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 08:08:47
April 04 2014 08:06 GMT
#372
So these Renekton changes really caught my eye.

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R - Dominus
BONUS HEALTH 300/450/600 health ⇒ 200/400/800 health
MAGIC DAMAGE PER TICK 40/70/100 ⇒ 30/60/120


Renekton is typically seen as falling off late game, but with the new changes to Dominus, Renekton seems to get a rather odd power-spike at level 16, with his ult giving him a whopping 400 additional health and 60 magic damage per tick. Compare this to his old values, where each additional level of Dominus gave only 150 health and 30 damage per tick.

I'm not really sure what my point in posting this is besides saying that it seems really strange to give an early-game champion a bizarre level 16 power-spike. I wonder if people will play him differently as a result. I mean, it's like he gets an additional Sunfire Cape at level 16, minus the armor.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
April 04 2014 08:09 GMT
#373
why dont people play ap malphite mid? It seems like it'd be really really good, especially in solo queue where you can roam bot and get a free double once you hit 6...
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
April 04 2014 08:13 GMT
#374
its just a better ap trist, I have seen so many legendary ap malphs that go on to lose because in the end all it takes is 1 flash out of your ult to lose game, and that will happen eventually in solo q.
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
April 04 2014 08:14 GMT
#375
Funny you say that just as I played vs a team with AP Malph mid. It was bad. He tried to set up ganks bot with TP and what not but, ehh... didn't really work out. I also find that Malph's ultimate is pretty easy to dodge and he doesn't have too much after his ult.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 04 2014 08:24 GMT
#376
AP trist is better than AP malph
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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
April 04 2014 08:38 GMT
#377
Am I the only person who doesn't enjoy URF? People play the same shit every game and there is too many champs to ban.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 04 2014 08:39 GMT
#378
I've never played a single game of URF to be honest, no time, so I play yolorankeds only.
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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 08:40:55
April 04 2014 08:40 GMT
#379
Sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's stupid and just frustrating. It can also be hard to try out anything new, because then you're matched up against something like a Zed who just spams WQE at you and you're at half health as soon as you step in lane.
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 04 2014 08:49 GMT
#380
Anyone knows if SKT1 Zed skin is already live? Because Vayne is so, so... Zyra is pretty decent, Jax nothing special but LeeSin looks fucking incredible ! Wondering if they'll available only in a Bundle or you can buy them separately.
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