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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 31 2014 08:44 GMT
#2461
Ezreal is weak as hell right now. Every popular adc does more damage than him at almost every point in the game. Long range snipes? Jinx. Lane domination? Lol don't even kid. Everyone but Vayne has more presence than Ez. Late game? Lemayo. Kiting? Oooo, E away and cry as you don't do damage.

Get fed because you're better than your opponents or become a null factor.

ZERO OUTTA TEN WOULD RECOMMEND BUFFS IN THE FORM OF INCREASED DAMAGE. At least make his ultimate hurt again.
Retvrn to Forvms
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
March 31 2014 09:38 GMT
#2462
On March 31 2014 17:44 Chrispy wrote:
Ezreal is weak as hell right now. Every popular adc does more damage than him at almost every point in the game. Long range snipes? Jinx. Lane domination? Lol don't even kid. Everyone but Vayne has more presence than Ez. Late game? Lemayo. Kiting? Oooo, E away and cry as you don't do damage.

Get fed because you're better than your opponents or become a null factor.

ZERO OUTTA TEN WOULD RECOMMEND BUFFS IN THE FORM OF INCREASED DAMAGE. At least make his ultimate hurt again.

On the other hand he's basically immortal
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 31 2014 09:57 GMT
#2463
On March 31 2014 16:52 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 13:53 schmutttt wrote:
Well ryze is really good again, which means they'll nerf my favourite ELO train soon

He carried me to gold and now he's carrying me to plat, need to get the games in before it happens.



Played him in my promos last night for d4, holy fuck that damage is just wack. I kept diving, cus you simply give no fuck with 2,8k hp and spellvamp lol.

Is wota still in core? I went tear -> roa -> archangel -> visage, but i probably did it wrong.

ryze's damage was always completely bonkers once he got his core.

Haven't played him yet, but do you still play flashTP and just open sapphire crystal and push like a madman, basing to grab a quick tear, and then relying on outscaling every other top laner/tping back if killed/forced to base? If so, that's pretty awesome.

I would probably go CDR before finishing archangel's though, 40% CDR does more for ryze than most other champs because of the interaction with his passive.
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JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
March 31 2014 10:00 GMT
#2464
So SmashGizmo started a Pantheon thread:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4403612

I know he's a bit of a favourite around here, so time to worry? Keep in mind, this is how we ended up with no identity Xerath.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 31 2014 10:06 GMT
#2465
On March 31 2014 19:00 JazzVortical wrote:
So SmashGizmo started a Pantheon thread:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4403612

I know he's a bit of a favourite around here, so time to worry? Keep in mind, this is how we ended up with no identity Xerath.

One thing I saw a lot of was people defining Pantheon's role as an "AD Caster," which isn't technically a role in LoL. A Role describes What a character does in LoL, whereas "Caster" is answering How a character does what they do. For instance, Ezreal is an AD Caster, but he's still a Marksman because his role is to output high sustained damage to whatever targets he can hit while keeping himself alive. To shift the analogy back to Melee characters, Talon and Zed are examples of AD Caster Assassins, while Renekton and Garen are examples of AD Caster Bruisers, and I'd argue that Riven is an example of an AD Caster Melee Carry (not everyone agrees here).


Smash please, I have cancer.
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 31 2014 10:10 GMT
#2466
Pantheon just needs to be able to not jungle. Mid/Top Panth is fine because at least you get punished for jumping on other lanes. Jungle Panth is just dumb.
Retvrn to Forvms
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29904 Posts
March 31 2014 10:11 GMT
#2467
I'm gonna cry if they're going to fuck with Pantheon again :\
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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 31 2014 10:25 GMT
#2468
On March 31 2014 18:57 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 16:52 Sponkz wrote:
On March 31 2014 13:53 schmutttt wrote:
Well ryze is really good again, which means they'll nerf my favourite ELO train soon

He carried me to gold and now he's carrying me to plat, need to get the games in before it happens.



Played him in my promos last night for d4, holy fuck that damage is just wack. I kept diving, cus you simply give no fuck with 2,8k hp and spellvamp lol.

Is wota still in core? I went tear -> roa -> archangel -> visage, but i probably did it wrong.

ryze's damage was always completely bonkers once he got his core.

Haven't played him yet, but do you still play flashTP and just open sapphire crystal and push like a madman, basing to grab a quick tear, and then relying on outscaling every other top laner/tping back if killed/forced to base? If so, that's pretty awesome.

I would probably go CDR before finishing archangel's though, 40% CDR does more for ryze than most other champs because of the interaction with his passive.


I tried flash/ignite and flash/tp, dunno it seems like you can play him however you want in lane.

You don't need core, tear/catalyst is more than enough to punish melees under turret.
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
March 31 2014 10:29 GMT
#2469
On March 31 2014 19:06 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 19:00 JazzVortical wrote:
So SmashGizmo started a Pantheon thread:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4403612

I know he's a bit of a favourite around here, so time to worry? Keep in mind, this is how we ended up with no identity Xerath.

Show nested quote +
One thing I saw a lot of was people defining Pantheon's role as an "AD Caster," which isn't technically a role in LoL. A Role describes What a character does in LoL, whereas "Caster" is answering How a character does what they do. For instance, Ezreal is an AD Caster, but he's still a Marksman because his role is to output high sustained damage to whatever targets he can hit while keeping himself alive. To shift the analogy back to Melee characters, Talon and Zed are examples of AD Caster Assassins, while Renekton and Garen are examples of AD Caster Bruisers, and I'd argue that Riven is an example of an AD Caster Melee Carry (not everyone agrees here).


Smash please, I have cancer.


Riot is a carcinogen.

Ontopic why is classification like this even necessary? Honestly the champions don't benefit at all from being put in a specific corner. The entire fun is to see champions be used in new exciting ways that we haven't seen yet.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 11:07:05
March 31 2014 11:06 GMT
#2470
On March 31 2014 18:57 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 16:52 Sponkz wrote:
On March 31 2014 13:53 schmutttt wrote:
Well ryze is really good again, which means they'll nerf my favourite ELO train soon

He carried me to gold and now he's carrying me to plat, need to get the games in before it happens.



Played him in my promos last night for d4, holy fuck that damage is just wack. I kept diving, cus you simply give no fuck with 2,8k hp and spellvamp lol.

Is wota still in core? I went tear -> roa -> archangel -> visage, but i probably did it wrong.

ryze's damage was always completely bonkers once he got his core.

Haven't played him yet, but do you still play flashTP and just open sapphire crystal and push like a madman, basing to grab a quick tear, and then relying on outscaling every other top laner/tping back if killed/forced to base? If so, that's pretty awesome.

I would probably go CDR before finishing archangel's though, 40% CDR does more for ryze than most other champs because of the interaction with his passive.


I go TP except vs Mundo, and yeah hes pretty dumb with the mana crystal start. Irelia is still hard as fuck though.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 31 2014 12:04 GMT
#2471
Ezreal is really hard to play against as Ashe
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 31 2014 12:08 GMT
#2472
On March 31 2014 21:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Ezreal is really hard to play against as Ashe

Ashe, in general, is in a really crappy place.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 31 2014 12:16 GMT
#2473
On March 31 2014 21:08 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 21:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Ezreal is really hard to play against as Ashe

Ashe, in general, is in a really crappy place.


"Crappy" is a gross exaggeration. She is relatively balanced, but it feels really bad to play her because she always get dove on and it is up to her team to keep her alive.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 31 2014 12:22 GMT
#2474
On March 31 2014 21:16 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 21:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Ezreal is really hard to play against as Ashe

Ashe, in general, is in a really crappy place.


"Crappy" is a gross exaggeration. She is relatively balanced, but it feels really bad to play her because she always get dove on and it is up to her team to keep her alive.

If a character in a game feels bad to play, it's in a crappy place.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 12:29:10
March 31 2014 12:26 GMT
#2475
On March 31 2014 19:29 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 19:06 xes wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:00 JazzVortical wrote:
So SmashGizmo started a Pantheon thread:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4403612

I know he's a bit of a favourite around here, so time to worry? Keep in mind, this is how we ended up with no identity Xerath.

One thing I saw a lot of was people defining Pantheon's role as an "AD Caster," which isn't technically a role in LoL. A Role describes What a character does in LoL, whereas "Caster" is answering How a character does what they do. For instance, Ezreal is an AD Caster, but he's still a Marksman because his role is to output high sustained damage to whatever targets he can hit while keeping himself alive. To shift the analogy back to Melee characters, Talon and Zed are examples of AD Caster Assassins, while Renekton and Garen are examples of AD Caster Bruisers, and I'd argue that Riven is an example of an AD Caster Melee Carry (not everyone agrees here).


Smash please, I have cancer.


Riot is a carcinogen.

Ontopic why is classification like this even necessary? Honestly the champions don't benefit at all from being put in a specific corner. The entire fun is to see champions be used in new exciting ways that we haven't seen yet.


It isn't needed at all. In fact that very posts shows how absolutely stupid it is to try broadly classify heroes. It's about buzz words at the end of the day. The word carry doesn't even mean anything in LoL yet is thrown around constantly to justify a whole host of non-connected crap.

Look at how he defines marksmen. That is pretty much every hero aside from a tanky top lane and even then a top lane still deals sustained damage so it overlaps. So by that definition Riven is in fact a marksmen
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 31 2014 12:31 GMT
#2476
On March 31 2014 21:26 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 19:29 Doctorbeat wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:06 xes wrote:
On March 31 2014 19:00 JazzVortical wrote:
So SmashGizmo started a Pantheon thread:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4403612

I know he's a bit of a favourite around here, so time to worry? Keep in mind, this is how we ended up with no identity Xerath.

One thing I saw a lot of was people defining Pantheon's role as an "AD Caster," which isn't technically a role in LoL. A Role describes What a character does in LoL, whereas "Caster" is answering How a character does what they do. For instance, Ezreal is an AD Caster, but he's still a Marksman because his role is to output high sustained damage to whatever targets he can hit while keeping himself alive. To shift the analogy back to Melee characters, Talon and Zed are examples of AD Caster Assassins, while Renekton and Garen are examples of AD Caster Bruisers, and I'd argue that Riven is an example of an AD Caster Melee Carry (not everyone agrees here).


Smash please, I have cancer.


Riot is a carcinogen.

Ontopic why is classification like this even necessary? Honestly the champions don't benefit at all from being put in a specific corner. The entire fun is to see champions be used in new exciting ways that we haven't seen yet.


It isn't needed at all. In fact that very posts shows how absolutely stupid it is to try broadly classify heroes. It's about buzz words at the end of the day. The word carry doesn't even mean anything in LoL yet is thrown around constantly to justify a whole host of non-connected crap.

Which is really odd that Smash(hi!) used "carry" to describe Riven, considering Riot has moved away from using "carry" as a way to describe a group of champions. The issue is that "caster" fits under their Mage tag, but doesn't mesh well with "I'm gonna smack you with my sword/reversed startrekthing/bo staff." In the end, it's probably a result of "Fighter" being very murky.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 31 2014 12:36 GMT
#2477
On March 31 2014 21:22 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 21:16 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Ezreal is really hard to play against as Ashe

Ashe, in general, is in a really crappy place.


"Crappy" is a gross exaggeration. She is relatively balanced, but it feels really bad to play her because she always get dove on and it is up to her team to keep her alive.

If a character in a game feels bad to play, it's in a crappy place.



Sure, but you were using the word "crappy" in the context of Ezreal vs Ashe - in terms of balance, not look and feel.

Also Ashe wins more % of the games than Ezreal in general. Ashe has been around 50-51% in ranked for a very long time, while Ezreal is around 48-49%. While I won't claim this means Ashe is "strictly better", I think it is fair to say that after factoring in the current meta, Ashe has an edge.

Also remember the ultimate goal of playing ranked is to win. Who cares if she feels crappy if you can win the game?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
March 31 2014 12:59 GMT
#2478
On March 31 2014 21:36 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 21:22 Gahlo wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:16 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Ezreal is really hard to play against as Ashe

Ashe, in general, is in a really crappy place.


"Crappy" is a gross exaggeration. She is relatively balanced, but it feels really bad to play her because she always get dove on and it is up to her team to keep her alive.

If a character in a game feels bad to play, it's in a crappy place.



Sure, but you were using the word "crappy" in the context of Ezreal vs Ashe - in terms of balance, not look and feel.

Also Ashe wins more % of the games than Ezreal in general. Ashe has been around 50-51% in ranked for a very long time, while Ezreal is around 48-49%. While I won't claim this means Ashe is "strictly better", I think it is fair to say that after factoring in the current meta, Ashe has an edge.

Also remember the ultimate goal of playing ranked is to win. Who cares if she feels crappy if you can win the game?


I mean, the ultimate goal of playing is to have fun. Even if you're winning, if you're not having fun, what are you even doing?
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
March 31 2014 13:02 GMT
#2479
On March 31 2014 21:36 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 21:22 Gahlo wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:16 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Ezreal is really hard to play against as Ashe

Ashe, in general, is in a really crappy place.


"Crappy" is a gross exaggeration. She is relatively balanced, but it feels really bad to play her because she always get dove on and it is up to her team to keep her alive.

If a character in a game feels bad to play, it's in a crappy place.



Sure, but you were using the word "crappy" in the context of Ezreal vs Ashe - in terms of balance, not look and feel.

Also Ashe wins more % of the games than Ezreal in general. Ashe has been around 50-51% in ranked for a very long time, while Ezreal is around 48-49%. While I won't claim this means Ashe is "strictly better", I think it is fair to say that after factoring in the current meta, Ashe has an edge.

Also remember the ultimate goal of playing ranked is to win. Who cares if she feels crappy if you can win the game?


Omg non-fotm champions suck, what are you talking about? You need at least 10 KDA on Lee Sin or Nidalee to be good and win games wtf.
hi
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 31 2014 13:21 GMT
#2480
On March 31 2014 21:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 21:36 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:22 Gahlo wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:16 Sufficiency wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:08 Gahlo wrote:
On March 31 2014 21:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Ezreal is really hard to play against as Ashe

Ashe, in general, is in a really crappy place.


"Crappy" is a gross exaggeration. She is relatively balanced, but it feels really bad to play her because she always get dove on and it is up to her team to keep her alive.

If a character in a game feels bad to play, it's in a crappy place.



Sure, but you were using the word "crappy" in the context of Ezreal vs Ashe - in terms of balance, not look and feel.

Also Ashe wins more % of the games than Ezreal in general. Ashe has been around 50-51% in ranked for a very long time, while Ezreal is around 48-49%. While I won't claim this means Ashe is "strictly better", I think it is fair to say that after factoring in the current meta, Ashe has an edge.

Also remember the ultimate goal of playing ranked is to win. Who cares if she feels crappy if you can win the game?


I mean, the ultimate goal of playing is to have fun. Even if you're winning, if you're not having fun, what are you even doing?


If the majority of players agree with you on this there wouldn't be an elo hell. Unfortunately most players believe winning is fun and losing is not. Especially for ranked games where your devision depends on it.
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