On March 26 2014 01:01 mr_tolkien wrote: SotD Riven and Alistar are pretty hilarious tbh.
They both have crazy AD steroids so the 3 hits kill about any squishy.
SOTD on Draven is really entertaining, when you drop spinning axe crits for like 1100 and just lol all the way home
Problem with Draven is that crit does have a place in his build. So, you waste a lot of potential from SotD.
I think this is one of the biggest points about why SotD seems (and might actually be) useless in its current state. The active is undoubtedly cool on paper, but 3 autos might not hit (regardless of attack speed) and then you have one minute where 2150 gold is giving you NO stats (because the passive disappears when active is on CD). Even when the passive comes back up, it's still only 45% attack speed and ASpd alone doesn't do much.
Yup.
SotD has synergies with AD and penetration. Only a really small subset of heroes can make good use of the 3 crits while building AD and penetration.
Its more that SotD has synergies with IE and only a really small subset of heroes are both assassins and purchase IE. AD assassins tend to want AD and Pen and don't want much AS. So SotD is paying 2000 gold for the active when they could be purchasing more AD and Pen, or purchasing BotRK so you can stick to an enemy.
Additionally the active actually as a slight negative synergy with critical strike because for those three attacks the critical strike isn't used.
I mean i can think of a few champions who might make use out of it. Basically we are looking for burst AD's who want an extra burst item that also has AS for cheap, or AD's who have explicit non-crit scaling as a one off "crit" item. If you start BT then 30% crit at your second item timing takes about 10 attacks to make up for the 3 auto crits from SotD. The actual variable is a bit better for SotD because you can complete it earlier.
So Graves could potentially make use of it. Its a cheap AS item which provides another burst that also conveniently gets his E back up faster. E,auto, Q, auto, R, auto, SotD, auto x 3 would provide much more damage than the same combo with Phantom Dancer or Shiv while also doing so cheaper, allowing you to get to LW faster.
It could potentially be good on the new MF since she will want primarily raw AD and penetration with an attack speed item to get between her useage of W. The 6-30% raw AD bonus means that items which provide crit are comparatively weak compared to items which provide raw AD. SotD would give you the AS while also letting you get to more AD items faster.
Its also a potential item on Vayne(Free AD in ult, AS scaling in W) and Ashe(1 auto crit becomes 4 auto crits) because of the way they scale though both probably want more traditional builds.
If it granted attack speed while on CD it would be pretty good on a lot more champions and probably not OP
SOTD would be okay if they put a passive that reduced the CD for every auto or something like that, or if it just didn't remove the entire passive for the CD time. Having 2K gold for about 2 seconds of double damage is pretty poo.
I got wrecked by ad malph once who went (I think) hydra sotd. He ults and you take ult damage, 3 crits, hydra active, aa, eq combo in an instant. And dont forget he has huge ad steroid, and crits aoe + hydra aoe.
On March 26 2014 02:13 mr_tolkien wrote: Ghostblade is really efficient stats wise, and penetration in particular really increases the damage for AD casters like Draven or Sivir.
I never saw Draven as an AD Caster sivir/graves/luci but not Draven, as a majority of his damage comes from his Q which is basically an auto attack on super steroids, it seems like triforce would be better if you can catch axes with all the bloodrush spam
still unanswered : Is Lee worth trying to learn with nerfs looming? :<
I wouldn't call Draven an AD caster either as that typically doesn't count steroids, but Draven axes scale so hard with AD. 2 axes = 170% of your total AD, almost as much as the TF proc by themselves except they also scale with bonus AD. Blood rush also gives enough AS that triforce misses out on a lot of potential damage compared to standard AD items.
On March 26 2014 03:16 DiracMonopole wrote: Ad malph can get all 3 sotd attacks off while people are in the air from his ult.
Yea, i left him out because i don't want people to start playing him like that. Frankly Malphite is probably best as a two offensive item off tank due to the SoTD and Hydra interactions, which increase his AoE Burst from his ult far more than any two AP items can while also giving him manaless wavecelar and sustain
I am not sure how to build it though, do you go tank first or AD first or what?
Edit: I mean, at level 11, Hydra and SotD have an AoE burst of about 1400 damage(not counting the ult, or ground slam) all of which happens while you're still knocked up from malphites ult. This is assuming rank 1 brutal strikes.
edit 2 that number is wrong, forgot to include malphites cleave damage
On March 26 2014 03:16 DiracMonopole wrote: Ad malph can get all 3 sotd attacks off while people are in the air from his ult.
Yea, i left him out because i don't want people to start playing him like that. Frankly Malphite is probably best as a two offensive item off tank due to the SoTD and Hydra interactions, which increase his AoE Burst from his ult far more than any two AP items can while also giving him manaless wavecelar and sustain
I am not sure how to build it though, do you go tank first or AD first or what?
Edit: I mean, at level 11, Hydra and SotD have an AoE burst of about 1400 damage(not counting the ult, or ground slam) all of which happens while you're still knocked up from malphites ult. This is assuming rank 1 brutal strikes.
On March 26 2014 03:16 DiracMonopole wrote: Ad malph can get all 3 sotd attacks off while people are in the air from his ult.
Yea, i left him out because i don't want people to start playing him like that. Frankly Malphite is probably best as a two offensive item off tank due to the SoTD and Hydra interactions, which increase his AoE Burst from his ult far more than any two AP items can while also giving him manaless wavecelar and sustain
I am not sure how to build it though, do you go tank first or AD first or what?
Edit: I mean, at level 11, Hydra and SotD have an AoE burst of about 1400 damage(not counting the ult, or ground slam) all of which happens while you're still knocked up from malphites ult. This is assuming rank 1 brutal strikes.
Neither Brutal Strikes nor Hydra apply crit.
But because SotD's AS lets you attack 3 times during ult you have more AD AoE from both than you would otherwise.
On March 26 2014 03:16 DiracMonopole wrote: Ad malph can get all 3 sotd attacks off while people are in the air from his ult.
Yea, i left him out because i don't want people to start playing him like that. Frankly Malphite is probably best as a two offensive item off tank due to the SoTD and Hydra interactions, which increase his AoE Burst from his ult far more than any two AP items can while also giving him manaless wavecelar and sustain
I am not sure how to build it though, do you go tank first or AD first or what?
Edit: I mean, at level 11, Hydra and SotD have an AoE burst of about 1400 damage(not counting the ult, or ground slam) all of which happens while you're still knocked up from malphites ult. This is assuming rank 1 brutal strikes.
Neither Brutal Strikes nor Hydra apply crit.
If you get lucky, you will get at least one partial reset...
On March 26 2014 03:16 DiracMonopole wrote: Ad malph can get all 3 sotd attacks off while people are in the air from his ult.
Yea, i left him out because i don't want people to start playing him like that. Frankly Malphite is probably best as a two offensive item off tank due to the SoTD and Hydra interactions, which increase his AoE Burst from his ult far more than any two AP items can while also giving him manaless wavecelar and sustain
I am not sure how to build it though, do you go tank first or AD first or what?
Edit: I mean, at level 11, Hydra and SotD have an AoE burst of about 1400 damage(not counting the ult, or ground slam) all of which happens while you're still knocked up from malphites ult. This is assuming rank 1 brutal strikes.
Neither Brutal Strikes nor Hydra apply crit.
You're right, the AoE is actually about 1000 assuming you get everything in
Anyway writing it out for level 13
Assume Hydra, SotD, rank 1 brutal strikes, no other AD anywhere else in the build. Your AD with brutal strikes active will be about 210.2.
Your combo is Ult, AA, SotD (3 attacks), Hyrda, E, Q or something similar.
Total AoE damage is
Ult: 300 AA x 4: 1093 Hydra: 210 E: 220 + 30% Armor
1634 + 30% armor
Total Single target damage is
Ult: 300 AA x 1: 210 SotD crits x 3: 1260 Hydra x 1: 210 E: 220+30% armor Q: 270
EPT
