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On March 22 2014 03:00 Eppa! wrote:
I won't run LS if they nerf it. They barely eek out AD runes as is on ADC. The difference between getting BF vs pickaxe+vamp scepter is 10 ad and a slower BT.

On March 22 2014 02:59 wei2coolman wrote:

Vayne, and Ryze. But both of those are extremely hard to play matchup that requires no mistake in order to win lane.

Shyvana/Trundle should be able to lose lane just a little bit, but then outscale despite 20 or so cs deficit.


Ehhh, most lucian players are usually more funny than ragey.

On March 22 2014 03:09 Ketara wrote:


As much as I want there to be a flat armor seals vs. flat HP seals debate, I don't think there is one.

You're saying a 40.5 effective HP difference, but armor seals scale with all the HP you get from levels, all your natural HP regen, all your potions, whatever sustain your champion has, lifesteal, shields and barrier, etc.

Flat health seals are like, cheesy level 1-2 all in seals. Over the course of a real game they're just not better.

You'd have to be a very specific champion who buys tons of resists and doesn't have innate regen to want flat HP seals, or be against an all AP team which doesn't really happen. The best realistic use for them would be in some sort of a lane counterpick rune page for a mid laner vs. an AP mid and an AP jungler who are big early game champions like Leblanc/Elise or something.

On March 22 2014 03:13 Dusty wrote:


...which is significant for dueling and laning...

On March 22 2014 03:21 killerdog wrote:

You would probably be stronger with vamp + pick + ad quints compared to bt + ls quints + 2 pots or w/e. Although as soon as your lane opponent finishes bt your lane is basically over, so you'd need to keep them in lane for like 8-10 minutes without letting either side back :p

edit: oops double >.>

On March 22 2014 03:19 killerdog wrote:


Even then, scaling health is flat out better after level 6, which is the first point that most laners will actually benefit from having a larger health pool due to needing to survive potential 100% all inns from lane opponents who have high damage ultimates.

The only place where you can force level 1-4 fights with where there is 100-0 kill pontential in the same engage, (assuming your opponent isn't being stupid,) is bot lane. Although given how the majority of the damage done down there is physical, I'd doubt it's worth it unless you want to try some super cheesy lvl 2/3 surprise all in against an x + annie botlane or something, and run hp seals + quints on your support to win it.

On March 22 2014 03:25 Dusty wrote:


VAMP PLUS PICKAXE IS EQUAL TO BT

IVE HEARD IT ALL

On March 22 2014 03:29 Alzadar wrote:


I study math, can confirm that 10+25 is approximately 100.

He obviously meant BF though.

On March 22 2014 03:30 Roffles wrote:

10+25 = 125. The numbers get merged and the middle 2 get added together to get 125.

On March 22 2014 03:19 nafta wrote:
Its pretty sad that riot yet again change shit just to get people to buy stuff.They promised refunds yet I dont really see any.

On March 22 2014 03:09 Ketara wrote:


As much as I want there to be a flat armor seals vs. flat HP seals debate, I don't think there is one.

You're saying a 40.5 effective HP difference, but armor seals scale with all the HP you get from levels, all your natural HP regen, all your potions, whatever sustain your champion has, lifesteal, shields and barrier, etc.

Flat health seals are like, cheesy level 1-2 all in seals. Over the course of a real game they're just not better.

You'd have to be a very specific champion who buys tons of resists and doesn't have innate regen to want flat HP seals, or be against an all AP team which doesn't really happen. The best realistic use for them would be in some sort of a lane counterpick rune page for a mid laner vs. an AP mid and an AP jungler who are big early game champions like Leblanc/Elise or something.

On March 22 2014 03:19 nafta wrote:
Its pretty sad that riot yet again change shit just to get people to buy stuff.They promised refunds yet I dont really see any.

On March 22 2014 03:21 killerdog wrote:

You would probably be stronger with vamp + pick + ad quints compared to bt + ls quints + 2 pots or w/e. Although as soon as your lane opponent finishes bt your lane is basically over, so you'd need to keep them in lane for like 8-10 minutes without letting either side back :p

edit: oops double >.>

On March 22 2014 03:33 Numy wrote:


Instead they give a SALE for one month! Man why don't they just remove runes and hire double the amount of artists so they can start producing more skins instead of wasting time on these stupid IP sinks.

On March 22 2014 03:34 Ryuu314 wrote:

they only promised refunds if a rune was removed or drastically changed. None of the runes were removed and the changes are all rather minor tbh.

Flat HP seals suck. They're basically a slightly better version of the Runic Shield mastery. If you compare them to the scaling HP seals they're even worse. You're looking at 12 hp at level 1 with scaling versus 72 with flat. That's only a 60 hp difference - you're better off going scaling + Runic shield mastery, especially considering how scaling overtakes flat at level 6. Regardless, hp seals are probably still worse on most champs except maybe those that get a ton of free resists like Shyvana.

I also think scaling armor is probably better than flat armor now. 9x scaling gives 1.5 armor at level 1, so it's a difference of 7.5 armor. However, all champs got +4 armor as a buff and none of the penetration runes got any change so realistically it's more like a 3.5 armor difference when compared to live play. Then you consider the fact that scaling catches up with flat at level 6 and scaling looks a ton more appealing.

EDIT: I word and maths gud