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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 18 2014 03:00 GMT
#181
utility champions by their very existence bring non-homogeneous power curves due to their abilities not scaling directly on damage, which is something thay lies in the very center of what riot is trying to do away with
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 18 2014 03:02 GMT
#182
On March 18 2014 12:00 Kupon3ss wrote:
utility champions by their very existence bring non-homogeneous power curves due to their abilities not scaling directly on damage, which is something thay lies in the very center of what riot is trying to do away with

Yep. thats pretty much what I'm saying. either a character is used commonly because their utility is needed, or they are forsaken because its not. alternately they make the character absurdly powerful always to compensate for its utility not being needed all the time, and the character is just always used period. or the opposite.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 03:17:52
March 18 2014 03:15 GMT
#183
Lich Bane was at best a crutch for Lulu to have enough damage, and like all crutches it was insufficient to make her truly shine damage-wise. There was no reason to change it.

I would be fine with tweaking AP ratios or base values on her W speed boost and her ult, but nerfing Lich Bane is like breaking everyone's crutches because one handicapped guy robbed a bank.
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LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
March 18 2014 03:27 GMT
#184
Well, tonight was impossible . Maybe tomorrow.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
March 18 2014 03:39 GMT
#185
Can we implement a new rule about no analogies and lich bane in the same discussion? I don't think they've benefitted anyone.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 18 2014 03:47 GMT
#186
It's a terrible analogy anyways cuz Lulu zooms around, if anything she's an Olympic track star on roids.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 18 2014 04:05 GMT
#187
and the roids taste like purple
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 18 2014 04:09 GMT
#188
And she passes them around to her team. She was probably on the 2004 Red Sox too.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 04:19:36
March 18 2014 04:10 GMT
#189
On March 18 2014 11:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think that I should clarify that I don't think Lichbane is the only reason why Lulu is a problem. I think she needs more/other nerfs as well, probably a revert on her passive buff.

However, I do think the strength of Lichbane is an issue and should be nerfed given how many champions the item has "pushed over the edge" in the past. Nerfing Lichbane and buffing traditional Lichbane users to compensate is a good place to start looking at what changes need to be made, if any, to bring champions like Lulu into line.

I also said it earlier, but I'll reiterate. It's important to realize that Riot said that they never intended Lichbane to be an item for burst damage, but rather for sustained damage on mages that rely on autos. DFG has always been the intended AP burst item. The issue is that Lichbane post-season 3 changes is so strong that it serves the dual function of increasing sustained AP dps AND increasing burst damage by a large margin.

Isn't it how it was being used (outside of Fizz?) Lulu auto attacks plenty, just look at her kit on her passive.
Same for Kayle, with her E on her kit. The result was it was too much burst, but remember this was after they insanely buffed Kayle's E in the first place, and Lulu's passive.

also note, zamphira's Lulu did not revolve around lichbane as it's item, and he was still using it to quite a good success.
liftlift > tsm
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 18 2014 04:14 GMT
#190
riot's war against lulu carry is sickening.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 04:15:37
March 18 2014 04:14 GMT
#191
On March 18 2014 11:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Can we not make cancer jokes, its kind of offensive and not really applicable. Stick with fat people ice cream analogy pls.

Anyways, if you've got late-stage metastatic cancer, you're probably dead anyways.

Anyways (again) Lulu mid was fine. Even buying Lich Bane for the extra AP ratio only makes her damage adequate. Her utility is definitely great (especially with added levels and AP scaling), but she still has significantly less damage than other mids. Just play Veigar or something against her and blow stuff up and laugh at her. She was fine, but Riot's philosophy is that it has to kneejerk nerf everything before players come out with it, which further encourages players to depend on kneejerk nerfs which preserve the meta they have a loe/hate relationship with.


Uh, yeah, I think I just got cancer.
TranslatorBaa!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2014 04:20 GMT
#192
On March 18 2014 13:14 oneofthem wrote:
riot's war against lulu carry is sickening.

her pick/ban rate is insane. Like Zed status.
liftlift > tsm
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 18 2014 04:28 GMT
#193
dunno if I'll ever understand riot's balance ideas lol
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
March 18 2014 04:36 GMT
#194
This patch seemed really calculated by Riot, I'm impressed. They did some nerfs but none seemed too heavy-handed like they usually are, I am guessing Elise and Vi will still be solid picks just not tip-top first picks always, which is great (and I play Vi, and still will).

Really I am just super excited about Diana buff, stopped building Lich Bane on her awhile ago anyways, time to read Diamond's new Jungle Diana guide and wreck nerds! All she needed was just a litttttlee tiny nudge to be solid and I think this may be it.
I got nothin'...
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
March 18 2014 04:36 GMT
#195
On March 18 2014 11:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Can we not make cancer jokes, its kind of offensive and not really applicable. Stick with fat people ice cream analogy pls.

Anyways, if you've got late-stage metastatic cancer, you're probably dead anyways.

Anyways (again) Lulu mid was fine. Even buying Lich Bane for the extra AP ratio only makes her damage adequate. Her utility is definitely great (especially with added levels and AP scaling), but she still has significantly less damage than other mids. Just play Veigar or something against her and blow stuff up and laugh at her. She was fine, but Riot's philosophy is that it has to kneejerk nerf everything before players come out with it, which further encourages players to depend on kneejerk nerfs which preserve the meta they have a loe/hate relationship with.


BV? What's that. Let me just get a Refresher so I can blow people up after popping it!.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 18 2014 05:13 GMT
#196
On March 18 2014 13:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh, yeah, I think I just got cancer.


For you, it was probably a pre-existing condition. But if it makes you feel better, I've had two good friends die from it.

On March 18 2014 13:36 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 11:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Can we not make cancer jokes, its kind of offensive and not really applicable. Stick with fat people ice cream analogy pls.

Anyways, if you've got late-stage metastatic cancer, you're probably dead anyways.

Anyways (again) Lulu mid was fine. Even buying Lich Bane for the extra AP ratio only makes her damage adequate. Her utility is definitely great (especially with added levels and AP scaling), but she still has significantly less damage than other mids. Just play Veigar or something against her and blow stuff up and laugh at her. She was fine, but Riot's philosophy is that it has to kneejerk nerf everything before players come out with it, which further encourages players to depend on kneejerk nerfs which preserve the meta they have a loe/hate relationship with.


BV? What's that. Let me just get a Refresher so I can blow people up after popping it!.


If you're using your combo on someone with BV on them, you're going to have a bad time. That and you're probably in Wood league.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 18 2014 05:23 GMT
#197
Nice article about the KT Kah'Zix comp:
http://piltoverpundit.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/strategy-evolved-kt-rolsters-khazix-comp/

Contains IEMWC and Champions spoilers.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 18 2014 05:32 GMT
#198
i can see it now
riot realizes that khazix was no longer being played as an assassin but instead as a tanky unkillable early dominating safe assassin teamfight jungler

as such they take away his damage reduction and unit walking while stealthed and reduced all ratios and also can only evolve one ability
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
SugiStyle
Profile Joined July 2013
Finland42 Posts
March 18 2014 05:39 GMT
#199


some of my own thoughts about the patch overall
Live fast & Die never
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 06:26:30
March 18 2014 06:21 GMT
#200
Riot has their own ideas. It is what it is. Disagree or not, it is their game. If it truly gets bad, there will be a new game to take its place.
God Bless
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