• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:30
CEST 04:30
KST 11:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0
StarCraft 2
General
GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles
Tourneys
SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall 2026 GSTL Announcement Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Are you ready for ASL 22? NEW HYPE VIDEO [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Famous was FlaSh before his Debut?
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck? The Letting Off Steam Thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6021 users

[Patch 4.4] CUDDLY INCOMING! ヽ(*・ω・)ノ - Page 10

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 158 Next
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 18 2014 03:00 GMT
#181
utility champions by their very existence bring non-homogeneous power curves due to their abilities not scaling directly on damage, which is something thay lies in the very center of what riot is trying to do away with
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
March 18 2014 03:02 GMT
#182
On March 18 2014 12:00 Kupon3ss wrote:
utility champions by their very existence bring non-homogeneous power curves due to their abilities not scaling directly on damage, which is something thay lies in the very center of what riot is trying to do away with

Yep. thats pretty much what I'm saying. either a character is used commonly because their utility is needed, or they are forsaken because its not. alternately they make the character absurdly powerful always to compensate for its utility not being needed all the time, and the character is just always used period. or the opposite.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 03:17:52
March 18 2014 03:15 GMT
#183
Lich Bane was at best a crutch for Lulu to have enough damage, and like all crutches it was insufficient to make her truly shine damage-wise. There was no reason to change it.

I would be fine with tweaking AP ratios or base values on her W speed boost and her ult, but nerfing Lich Bane is like breaking everyone's crutches because one handicapped guy robbed a bank.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
March 18 2014 03:27 GMT
#184
Well, tonight was impossible . Maybe tomorrow.
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
March 18 2014 03:39 GMT
#185
Can we implement a new rule about no analogies and lich bane in the same discussion? I don't think they've benefitted anyone.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 18 2014 03:47 GMT
#186
It's a terrible analogy anyways cuz Lulu zooms around, if anything she's an Olympic track star on roids.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 18 2014 04:05 GMT
#187
and the roids taste like purple
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 18 2014 04:09 GMT
#188
And she passes them around to her team. She was probably on the 2004 Red Sox too.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 04:19:36
March 18 2014 04:10 GMT
#189
On March 18 2014 11:46 Ryuu314 wrote:
I think that I should clarify that I don't think Lichbane is the only reason why Lulu is a problem. I think she needs more/other nerfs as well, probably a revert on her passive buff.

However, I do think the strength of Lichbane is an issue and should be nerfed given how many champions the item has "pushed over the edge" in the past. Nerfing Lichbane and buffing traditional Lichbane users to compensate is a good place to start looking at what changes need to be made, if any, to bring champions like Lulu into line.

I also said it earlier, but I'll reiterate. It's important to realize that Riot said that they never intended Lichbane to be an item for burst damage, but rather for sustained damage on mages that rely on autos. DFG has always been the intended AP burst item. The issue is that Lichbane post-season 3 changes is so strong that it serves the dual function of increasing sustained AP dps AND increasing burst damage by a large margin.

Isn't it how it was being used (outside of Fizz?) Lulu auto attacks plenty, just look at her kit on her passive.
Same for Kayle, with her E on her kit. The result was it was too much burst, but remember this was after they insanely buffed Kayle's E in the first place, and Lulu's passive.

also note, zamphira's Lulu did not revolve around lichbane as it's item, and he was still using it to quite a good success.
liftlift > tsm
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 18 2014 04:14 GMT
#190
riot's war against lulu carry is sickening.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 04:15:37
March 18 2014 04:14 GMT
#191
On March 18 2014 11:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Can we not make cancer jokes, its kind of offensive and not really applicable. Stick with fat people ice cream analogy pls.

Anyways, if you've got late-stage metastatic cancer, you're probably dead anyways.

Anyways (again) Lulu mid was fine. Even buying Lich Bane for the extra AP ratio only makes her damage adequate. Her utility is definitely great (especially with added levels and AP scaling), but she still has significantly less damage than other mids. Just play Veigar or something against her and blow stuff up and laugh at her. She was fine, but Riot's philosophy is that it has to kneejerk nerf everything before players come out with it, which further encourages players to depend on kneejerk nerfs which preserve the meta they have a loe/hate relationship with.


Uh, yeah, I think I just got cancer.
TranslatorBaa!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 18 2014 04:20 GMT
#192
On March 18 2014 13:14 oneofthem wrote:
riot's war against lulu carry is sickening.

her pick/ban rate is insane. Like Zed status.
liftlift > tsm
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 18 2014 04:28 GMT
#193
dunno if I'll ever understand riot's balance ideas lol
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
March 18 2014 04:36 GMT
#194
This patch seemed really calculated by Riot, I'm impressed. They did some nerfs but none seemed too heavy-handed like they usually are, I am guessing Elise and Vi will still be solid picks just not tip-top first picks always, which is great (and I play Vi, and still will).

Really I am just super excited about Diana buff, stopped building Lich Bane on her awhile ago anyways, time to read Diamond's new Jungle Diana guide and wreck nerds! All she needed was just a litttttlee tiny nudge to be solid and I think this may be it.
I got nothin'...
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
March 18 2014 04:36 GMT
#195
On March 18 2014 11:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Can we not make cancer jokes, its kind of offensive and not really applicable. Stick with fat people ice cream analogy pls.

Anyways, if you've got late-stage metastatic cancer, you're probably dead anyways.

Anyways (again) Lulu mid was fine. Even buying Lich Bane for the extra AP ratio only makes her damage adequate. Her utility is definitely great (especially with added levels and AP scaling), but she still has significantly less damage than other mids. Just play Veigar or something against her and blow stuff up and laugh at her. She was fine, but Riot's philosophy is that it has to kneejerk nerf everything before players come out with it, which further encourages players to depend on kneejerk nerfs which preserve the meta they have a loe/hate relationship with.


BV? What's that. Let me just get a Refresher so I can blow people up after popping it!.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 18 2014 05:13 GMT
#196
On March 18 2014 13:14 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Uh, yeah, I think I just got cancer.


For you, it was probably a pre-existing condition. But if it makes you feel better, I've had two good friends die from it.

On March 18 2014 13:36 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2014 11:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
Can we not make cancer jokes, its kind of offensive and not really applicable. Stick with fat people ice cream analogy pls.

Anyways, if you've got late-stage metastatic cancer, you're probably dead anyways.

Anyways (again) Lulu mid was fine. Even buying Lich Bane for the extra AP ratio only makes her damage adequate. Her utility is definitely great (especially with added levels and AP scaling), but she still has significantly less damage than other mids. Just play Veigar or something against her and blow stuff up and laugh at her. She was fine, but Riot's philosophy is that it has to kneejerk nerf everything before players come out with it, which further encourages players to depend on kneejerk nerfs which preserve the meta they have a loe/hate relationship with.


BV? What's that. Let me just get a Refresher so I can blow people up after popping it!.


If you're using your combo on someone with BV on them, you're going to have a bad time. That and you're probably in Wood league.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
March 18 2014 05:23 GMT
#197
Nice article about the KT Kah'Zix comp:
http://piltoverpundit.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/strategy-evolved-kt-rolsters-khazix-comp/

Contains IEMWC and Champions spoilers.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 18 2014 05:32 GMT
#198
i can see it now
riot realizes that khazix was no longer being played as an assassin but instead as a tanky unkillable early dominating safe assassin teamfight jungler

as such they take away his damage reduction and unit walking while stealthed and reduced all ratios and also can only evolve one ability
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
SugiStyle
Profile Joined July 2013
Finland42 Posts
March 18 2014 05:39 GMT
#199


some of my own thoughts about the patch overall
Live fast & Die never
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-18 06:26:30
March 18 2014 06:21 GMT
#200
Riot has their own ideas. It is what it is. Disagree or not, it is their game. If it truly gets bad, there will be a new game to take its place.
God Bless
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 158 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Patches' Patch Clash #9
CranKy Ducklings144
CranKy Ducklings SOOP12
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 171
CosmosSc2 14
StarCraft: Brood War
NaDa 21
Dota 2
The International59781
monkeys_forever380
NeuroSwarm82
Counter-Strike
summit1g9314
taco 345
minikerr224
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox524
Mew2King41
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1854
C9.Mang0187
Maynarde112
ViBE89
Trikslyr58
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH152
• Response 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 27
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo352
Upcoming Events
Escore
7h 30m
PiG Sty Festival
9h 30m
Serral vs Reynor
HeRoMaRinE vs herO
Big Brain Bouts
13h 30m
MaNa vs Kelazhur
Nicoract vs HeRoMaRinE
Serral vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
1d 7h
PiG Sty Festival
1d 9h
Zoun vs Solar
SHIN vs Maru
Patches Events
1d 13h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
The Patches Monday
3 days
GSL
4 days
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-19
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
Escore Tournament S3: W8
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.