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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 25 2014 03:59 GMT
#2501
Yeah I think the difference between those two videos is the Vayne one looks plausibly doable, the Cass one is just blatant hackery.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
February 25 2014 04:00 GMT
#2502
She still got hit by Cho silence (but tumbled before it took place). I think those are reasonable mechanics that can be explained by experience or luck.

Twitches could be explained by trying to orb-walk while avoiding the rupture at the same time - so you end up clicking on the same spot
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 25 2014 04:04 GMT
#2503
its strange that people somehow find it fun to basically right click with the mouse and watch their script win them a teamfight without them having to do anything, after that do they just go like "darn I'm good at this game" or something?

It's not a free script either so they need to have paid for it ;S
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 04:18:07
February 25 2014 04:17 GMT
#2504
IDK, it's the same kind of people that will buy the new WoW expansion and then pay another $60 on top of that to level to 90 instantly. Plus the people that are mad because they bad.
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 04:32:24
February 25 2014 04:21 GMT
#2505
Vaynes movements are probably a bot, all player use a margin of error when they move and the lee sin dodge and the cho dodge had none. Also none of that was made with a-move and nobody is that quick without it.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
February 25 2014 04:22 GMT
#2506
On February 25 2014 09:28 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 09:24 Talack wrote:
On February 25 2014 06:33 Ketara wrote:
Oh Gragas nerf, how delicious you look on the PBE.

Please come soon.


No doubt this guy is the very definition of an OP kit.

Passive, restores % hp on spell cast.
Q = Tons of scaling, tons of base damage, and slows attack speeds for 20%.
W = Passive 100% uptime damage reduction, AD buff and mana restore. No mana cost at all.
E = Double scaling high damage attack that slows targets, can be used for an escape as well.
R = HUGE DAMAGE knockback.

So this guy was designed to be basically a combination of the best abilities in the entire game in addition to having enormous damage?

Hero design of LoL is getting kind of stupid, there is no strategy anymore. It's "heros that can do everything you could possibly want"

lol Gragas was released in 2010...


I mean that he's an example of a hero having too many things they do well, the newer heros are taking that route as well.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 25 2014 04:41 GMT
#2507
I suspicious of that Vayne video too, I think it a bot.

No way a player dodges 3 skillshots with only 1 pixel error, then turns around right as it passes, there is no time delay at all. Humans are not that perfect, the reaction time between watching skillshot, to sidestepping, to stepping back to where she was before is like immaculate.

That, and none of those attack commands are issued using an A-move, I dont think it possible to be that precise and fast without an a-move command.

I mean, sure, somebody could do it I guess, but I'm hella skeptical.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 25 2014 04:41 GMT
#2508
That Vayne was pretty plausible for world class adc's.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 25 2014 04:42 GMT
#2509
On February 25 2014 13:04 Shikyo wrote:
its strange that people somehow find it fun to basically right click with the mouse and watch their script win them a teamfight without them having to do anything, after that do they just go like "darn I'm good at this game" or something?

It's not a free script either so they need to have paid for it ;S

This is the internet. Pretty much everything is "free."
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 25 2014 05:01 GMT
#2510
On February 25 2014 13:41 wei2coolman wrote:
That Vayne was pretty plausible for world class adc's.


I dont think so. I could be wrong, but compare it to this video of Piglet:



Not near as many skill shots, all of them much easier to dodge than Lee Q, Cho W+Q, and Twitch Cask, and all three are on opposite sides of the Vayne during the fight. Being able to recognize all four and use a Q on them all just feels... too good to be true.

Even Piglet, a world class AD, gets hit by the Nami Q and two different Lucian Q's during a much less choatic fight with much less direct pressure on himself.

The margin of error, the speed, and the full screen awareness combined just feels too good to me.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
February 25 2014 05:02 GMT
#2511
On February 25 2014 12:55 zulu_nation8 wrote:
perhaps but a good vayne with low ping can do all of those things. Cho rupture and Lee Sin Q both have wind up animations. She also got in range of Cho ult.

vaynes def not a bot lol, yeah with low ping all of thats possible.
she dodged a whole bunch of skill shots that all have cast/windup times.
anyone on top of their game could prolly do that
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 05:06:51
February 25 2014 05:04 GMT
#2512
On February 25 2014 14:01 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 13:41 wei2coolman wrote:
That Vayne was pretty plausible for world class adc's.


I dont think so. I could be wrong, but compare it to this video of Piglet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hff23-C9mLI

Not near as many skill shots, all of them much easier to dodge than Lee Q, Cho W+Q, and Twitch Cask, and all three are on opposite sides of the Vayne during the fight. Being able to recognize all four and use a Q on them all just feels... too good to be true.

Even Piglet, a world class AD, gets hit by the Nami Q and two different Lucian Q's during a much less choatic fight with much less direct pressure on himself.

The margin of error, the speed, and the full screen awareness combined just feels too good to me.

Uzi could do it.

And she didn't get hit by Nami Q? The Lucian Q is harder to dodge since it's a non skill shot,.
liftlift > tsm
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
February 25 2014 05:09 GMT
#2513
On February 25 2014 14:04 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2014 14:01 iCanada wrote:
On February 25 2014 13:41 wei2coolman wrote:
That Vayne was pretty plausible for world class adc's.


I dont think so. I could be wrong, but compare it to this video of Piglet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hff23-C9mLI

Not near as many skill shots, all of them much easier to dodge than Lee Q, Cho W+Q, and Twitch Cask, and all three are on opposite sides of the Vayne during the fight. Being able to recognize all four and use a Q on them all just feels... too good to be true.

Even Piglet, a world class AD, gets hit by the Nami Q and two different Lucian Q's during a much less choatic fight with much less direct pressure on himself.

The margin of error, the speed, and the full screen awareness combined just feels too good to me.

Uzi could do it.

And she didn't get hit by Nami Q? The Lucian Q is harder to dodge since it's a non skill shot,.


Nah, Lucian Q easy to dodge.

Anyway, I'm sure My Nirvana, the level 9 account, is as good if not better than Uzi.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/25864478
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
February 25 2014 05:09 GMT
#2514
I could see someone doing that on vayne, but try slowing it down (youtube lets you slow down to 1/4th speed) and look carefully at the movement. Kinda looks like a bot to me.

Anyway, I hope Riot can stop this fast, wont be fun to play yoloq with micro bots around :o
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 05:17:33
February 25 2014 05:11 GMT
#2515
I'm like 90% sure the Vayne one is a bot. The Lee Sin Q dodges could just be really good anticipation, but the Cho Q dodge is really suspect to me.

Go to 0:06 in the video. You notice that Vayne moves to the left after tumbling/got hit by the silence. She then unnaturally twitches in place while still auto-attacking/animation canceling perfectly before the Cho Q indicator even shows up. The Vayne doesn't so much dodge the Cho Q - she never even moves into the Q area because something is stopping her. Not to mention that the twitching movement begins virtually the exact same moment Cho begins to lift his foot for the windup animation - Cho's foot hasn't even been raised by the time Vayne starts to twitch..

Go boot up a game and try to replicate the twitching movement while still autoattacking a specific target. I highly doubt you can do it - heck, I doubt you can replicate that twitch/shuffle slightly forward movement even without autoattacking.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 05:16:48
February 25 2014 05:16 GMT
#2516
On February 25 2014 13:41 iCanada wrote:
I suspicious of that Vayne video too, I think it a bot.

No way a player dodges 3 skillshots with only 1 pixel error, then turns around right as it passes, there is no time delay at all. Humans are not that perfect, the reaction time between watching skillshot, to sidestepping, to stepping back to where she was before is like immaculate.

That, and none of those attack commands are issued using an A-move, I dont think it possible to be that precise and fast without an a-move command.

I mean, sure, somebody could do it I guess, but I'm hella skeptical.

She didn't dodge the Twitch cask either - she gets the 2 poison stacks and the slow is really marginal and mostly cosmetic. She just dodged Lee and Rupture. And if you can't dodge a rupture that you're not already standing in, you're doing something wrong.

That said, the twitchiness is pretty suspect.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 05:17:58
February 25 2014 05:16 GMT
#2517
I also dont really get why the Vayne with Tier 2 boots flashes after the Taric with tier 1 boots. That also really suspect to me. Better flash to get the guy I 100 ms faster than while his entire team dead and he running away from his base?

For such a strong teamfighting play, with so much awareness, you'd think you'd save the flash and just collect the kill regardless...
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
February 25 2014 05:17 GMT
#2518
On February 25 2014 11:23 Eppa! wrote:
Galio is probably her worst MU. Outshoves and out tanks her.

Rather have Lulu or Orianna and have a reliable ulti.
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-25 05:32:14
February 25 2014 05:26 GMT
#2519
Ok, found another video of the Vayne bot. Here it is, it's called Evadee.

+ Show Spoiler +


EDIT: Hmm not showing up like the other ones for some reason. I guess just copy paste the link or whatever.

EDIT2: Ok got it fixed.

EDIT3: I suppose it could be a different bot. Either way, it's still a skillshot predicting/dodging bot.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 25 2014 05:30 GMT
#2520
Although I think anyone using a bot or any sort of third party add-on that directly impacts gameplay should be instantly perma-banned, seeing those bots is kinda cool. Reminds me of the BW AI contests. I'd like to see a LoL bot play against a pro 'cause I think it'd be pretty cool.
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