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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On February 05 2014 03:08 Kyrie wrote: naut passive is the most obvious answer, but the second attacks from yi and lucian's passives can also crit. mercy was the fourth but i can see why it would be disqualified, hence the ~ also, are you certain on decisive strike not applying crits? to my knowledge the exact mechanics are a special case, but it should be a crit skill since the kat remake patch correction to myself: the ability damage does not crit, so garen q is indeed outside the set criteria (although the original post was a bit vague!) I wouldn't think of those as ability damage though. That's just an extra AA, which can crit like any other AA. Naut passive is unique in that it's the ability itself critting, instead of the ability giving you an extra AA. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
So we have GP's q, Garen's E, Master Yi's Q, Pantheon's Q, Yasuo's Q, Yorick's Q* *The base damage doesn't crit. But the attack does 1.2 AD damage and it will crit based on this. Ergo some portion of the the bonus damage will crit on Omen of War, so an Omen of war IE crit should do +3.0 AD instead of +2.7 AD (It does not for Shaco's Q or any other ability which is not an auto attack modifier) Potentially: Jinx Q.The bonus damage does not crit, but the splash damage does. Potentially: Sions R: The ally healing scales on damage done which scales on crit | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
EDIT: nvm, only the target she hit gets critted (but bonus dmg is applied after crit). So doesn't fit criteria. | ||
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Kyrie
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On February 05 2014 03:26 GrandInquisitor wrote: I wouldn't think of those as ability damage though. That's just an extra AA, which can crit like any other AA. Naut passive is unique in that it's the ability itself critting, instead of the ability giving you an extra AA. i see, that's a fair distinction to make | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On February 05 2014 03:32 Dandel Ion wrote: Meanwhile, Deceive (shaco Q) still crits. Edit: I was wrong. But Deceive probably still doesn't count. While modified by the IE damage. Deceive is just a guaranteed auto attack critical strike. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On February 05 2014 03:27 Goumindong wrote: Abilities only, so not counting AA modifications which don't have the base damage crit. Or AA modifications which provide raw AD. We might say "anything that has its critical strike damage increased by Infinity Edge's Passive" might apply So we have GP's q, Garen's E, Master Yi's Q, Pantheon's Q, Yasuo's Q, Yorick's Q* *The base damage doesn't crit. But the attack does 1.2 AD damage and it will crit based on this. Ergo some portion of the the bonus damage will crit on Omen of War, so an Omen of war IE crit should do +3.0 AD instead of +2.7 AD (It does not for Shaco's Q or any other ability which is not an auto attack modifier) Potentially: Jinx Q.The bonus damage does not crit, but the splash damage does. Potentially: Sions R: The ally healing scales on damage done which scales on crit Excellent point! Didn't think of that. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
Say you got hit for a 250% crit with IE. Do you now take 240% (-10% flat), 225% (-10% total damage), or 235% (-10% of total crit portion of the damage)? | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On February 05 2014 03:26 GrandInquisitor wrote: I wouldn't think of those as ability damage though. That's just an extra AA, which can crit like any other AA. Naut passive is unique in that it's the ability itself critting, instead of the ability giving you an extra AA. Does Naut's passive actually crit like that? Also Shaco's Passive crits in that the +20% bonus damage is applied after critical strike. (so if you have IE and crit the bonus damage, as a function of your base damage would be 50%) On February 05 2014 03:38 Sandster wrote: How does the mastery that reduces crit damage work? Say you got hit for a 250% crit with IE. Do you now take 240% (-10% flat), 225% (-10% total damage), or 235% (-10% of total crit portion of the damage)? IIRC testing indicated -10% of the total damage. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On February 05 2014 03:40 Goumindong wrote: IIRC testing indicated -10% of the total damage. EDIT: I thought the -10% total makes it really good but it's the wrong way to look at it. It's still weaker than Tabi against autos. Say you have a you have a Mundo with 3.5khp and 280 armor. An adc with IE+PD that crits for 1000 would have it reduced to ~300 (1000 *0.9 tabi *0.9 crit reduction *~0.37 from armor). The talent accounts for ~35 damage. That's not bad, but only ~1% of your total hp at that stage in the game. This is a full build ADC against a (nearly) full build tank. If there's only one major crit threat on the other team, I can see why people skip the 3-4 extra points needed to get this talent and instead opt for ones that matter more before endgame builds. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On February 05 2014 03:40 Goumindong wrote: Does Naut's passive actually crit like that? Yes, haven't you ever seen the OP that is Atma's Impaler Nautilus? Also Shaco's Passive crits in that the +20% bonus damage is applied after critical strike. (so if you have IE and crit the bonus damage, as a function of your base damage would be 50%) Correct, though that's more like Talon's Mercy, which I excluded for the purposes of this discussion. Otherwise Kayle's passive "crits" as well. | ||
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ArchAngelSC
England706 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On February 05 2014 04:58 mr_tolkien wrote: Locodoco playing against qtpie on qt stream ! <3 locododo | ||
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WiseBagus
Canada452 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On February 05 2014 04:58 mr_tolkien wrote: Locodoco playing against qtpie on qt stream ! <3 Tolkein got baited | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Oh snap  | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On February 05 2014 03:06 Sufficiency wrote: Speaking of crits, I feel 200% crits is too much burst. I hope Riot can nerf the crit damage and increase crit chance. E.g. crits do 150% damage and make all items give twice as much crit %. Yasuo and IE adjusted similarly. What? Non-IE crits suck megabutts as it is. | ||
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