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Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
February 04 2014 18:20 GMT
#3621
Ez Q does not crit. That's partially why the old Triforce/Blue Ez builds don't care for crit beyond whatever Triforce gives, and why IE as a 1st item is not as good as BT or Triforce.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
February 04 2014 18:26 GMT
#3622
On February 05 2014 03:08 Kyrie wrote:
naut passive is the most obvious answer, but the second attacks from yi and lucian's passives can also crit. mercy was the fourth but i can see why it would be disqualified, hence the ~

also, are you certain on decisive strike not applying crits? to my knowledge the exact mechanics are a special case, but it should be a crit skill since the kat remake patch

correction to myself: the ability damage does not crit, so garen q is indeed outside the set criteria (although the original post was a bit vague!)

I wouldn't think of those as ability damage though. That's just an extra AA, which can crit like any other AA. Naut passive is unique in that it's the ability itself critting, instead of the ability giving you an extra AA.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 18:32:26
February 04 2014 18:27 GMT
#3623
Abilities only, so not counting AA modifications which don't have the base damage crit. Or AA modifications which provide raw AD. We might say "anything that has its critical strike damage increased by Infinity Edge's Passive" might apply

So we have GP's q, Garen's E, Master Yi's Q, Pantheon's Q, Yasuo's Q, Yorick's Q*

*The base damage doesn't crit. But the attack does 1.2 AD damage and it will crit based on this. Ergo some portion of the the bonus damage will crit on Omen of War, so an Omen of war IE crit should do +3.0 AD instead of +2.7 AD (It does not for Shaco's Q or any other ability which is not an auto attack modifier)

Potentially: Jinx Q.The bonus damage does not crit, but the splash damage does.

Potentially: Sions R: The ally healing scales on damage done which scales on crit
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 18:31:54
February 04 2014 18:30 GMT
#3624
Wait, doesn't kayle's E AoE crit?

EDIT: nvm, only the target she hit gets critted (but bonus dmg is applied after crit). So doesn't fit criteria.
liftlift > tsm
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
February 04 2014 18:30 GMT
#3625
On February 05 2014 03:26 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:08 Kyrie wrote:
naut passive is the most obvious answer, but the second attacks from yi and lucian's passives can also crit. mercy was the fourth but i can see why it would be disqualified, hence the ~

also, are you certain on decisive strike not applying crits? to my knowledge the exact mechanics are a special case, but it should be a crit skill since the kat remake patch

correction to myself: the ability damage does not crit, so garen q is indeed outside the set criteria (although the original post was a bit vague!)

I wouldn't think of those as ability damage though. That's just an extra AA, which can crit like any other AA. Naut passive is unique in that it's the ability itself critting, instead of the ability giving you an extra AA.

i see, that's a fair distinction to make
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#3626
Meanwhile, Deceive (shaco Q) still crits.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 18:36:24
February 04 2014 18:34 GMT
#3627
On February 05 2014 03:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
Meanwhile, Deceive (shaco Q) still crits.


Edit: I was wrong. But Deceive probably still doesn't count. While modified by the IE damage. Deceive is just a guaranteed auto attack critical strike.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 18:35:06
February 04 2014 18:34 GMT
#3628
On February 05 2014 03:27 Goumindong wrote:
Abilities only, so not counting AA modifications which don't have the base damage crit. Or AA modifications which provide raw AD. We might say "anything that has its critical strike damage increased by Infinity Edge's Passive" might apply

So we have GP's q, Garen's E, Master Yi's Q, Pantheon's Q, Yasuo's Q, Yorick's Q*

*The base damage doesn't crit. But the attack does 1.2 AD damage and it will crit based on this. Ergo some portion of the the bonus damage will crit on Omen of War, so an Omen of war IE crit should do +3.0 AD instead of +2.7 AD (It does not for Shaco's Q or any other ability which is not an auto attack modifier)

Potentially: Jinx Q.The bonus damage does not crit, but the splash damage does.

Potentially: Sions R: The ally healing scales on damage done which scales on crit

Excellent point! Didn't think of that.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
February 04 2014 18:38 GMT
#3629
How does the mastery that reduces crit damage work?

Say you got hit for a 250% crit with IE. Do you now take 240% (-10% flat), 225% (-10% total damage), or 235% (-10% of total crit portion of the damage)?
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 18:40:54
February 04 2014 18:40 GMT
#3630
On February 05 2014 03:26 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:08 Kyrie wrote:
naut passive is the most obvious answer, but the second attacks from yi and lucian's passives can also crit. mercy was the fourth but i can see why it would be disqualified, hence the ~

also, are you certain on decisive strike not applying crits? to my knowledge the exact mechanics are a special case, but it should be a crit skill since the kat remake patch

correction to myself: the ability damage does not crit, so garen q is indeed outside the set criteria (although the original post was a bit vague!)

I wouldn't think of those as ability damage though. That's just an extra AA, which can crit like any other AA. Naut passive is unique in that it's the ability itself critting, instead of the ability giving you an extra AA.


Does Naut's passive actually crit like that?

Also Shaco's Passive crits in that the +20% bonus damage is applied after critical strike. (so if you have IE and crit the bonus damage, as a function of your base damage would be 50%)

On February 05 2014 03:38 Sandster wrote:
How does the mastery that reduces crit damage work?

Say you got hit for a 250% crit with IE. Do you now take 240% (-10% flat), 225% (-10% total damage), or 235% (-10% of total crit portion of the damage)?


IIRC testing indicated -10% of the total damage.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 19:16:24
February 04 2014 18:51 GMT
#3631
On February 05 2014 03:40 Goumindong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:38 Sandster wrote:
How does the mastery that reduces crit damage work?

Say you got hit for a 250% crit with IE. Do you now take 240% (-10% flat), 225% (-10% total damage), or 235% (-10% of total crit portion of the damage)?


IIRC testing indicated -10% of the total damage.


EDIT: I thought the -10% total makes it really good but it's the wrong way to look at it. It's still weaker than Tabi against autos.

Say you have a you have a Mundo with 3.5khp and 280 armor. An adc with IE+PD that crits for 1000 would have it reduced to ~300 (1000 *0.9 tabi *0.9 crit reduction *~0.37 from armor). The talent accounts for ~35 damage. That's not bad, but only ~1% of your total hp at that stage in the game.

This is a full build ADC against a (nearly) full build tank. If there's only one major crit threat on the other team, I can see why people skip the 3-4 extra points needed to get this talent and instead opt for ones that matter more before endgame builds.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-04 18:57:32
February 04 2014 18:56 GMT
#3632
On February 05 2014 03:40 Goumindong wrote:
Does Naut's passive actually crit like that?

Yes, haven't you ever seen the OP that is Atma's Impaler Nautilus?

Also Shaco's Passive crits in that the +20% bonus damage is applied after critical strike. (so if you have IE and crit the bonus damage, as a function of your base damage would be 50%)

Correct, though that's more like Talon's Mercy, which I excluded for the purposes of this discussion. Otherwise Kayle's passive "crits" as well.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
February 04 2014 19:56 GMT
#3633
so everyone in my game just froze. We can chat but we can't move.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 04 2014 19:58 GMT
#3634
Locodoco playing against qtpie on qt stream ! <3
The legend of Darien lives on
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 04 2014 20:03 GMT
#3635
that's not locodoco. it's dontmashme
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
February 04 2014 20:09 GMT
#3636
On February 05 2014 04:58 mr_tolkien wrote:
Locodoco playing against qtpie on qt stream ! <3

locododo
BW -> League -> CSGO
WiseBagus
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada452 Posts
February 04 2014 21:21 GMT
#3637
Is this what EUW feels like?
"When you come at the King, you best not miss"
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 04 2014 21:41 GMT
#3638
On February 05 2014 04:58 mr_tolkien wrote:
Locodoco playing against qtpie on qt stream ! <3

Tolkein got baited
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 04 2014 21:45 GMT
#3639
On February 05 2014 06:41 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 04:58 mr_tolkien wrote:
Locodoco playing against qtpie on qt stream ! <3

Tolkein got baited

Oh snap
The legend of Darien lives on
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
February 04 2014 21:59 GMT
#3640
On February 05 2014 03:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Speaking of crits, I feel 200% crits is too much burst. I hope Riot can nerf the crit damage and increase crit chance.

E.g. crits do 150% damage and make all items give twice as much crit %. Yasuo and IE adjusted similarly.

What? Non-IE crits suck megabutts as it is.
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