Had a lot of fun again today guys =) Sponkz recaps also really helped a lot.
My thoughts on the games (obviously mostly from my own perspective ^^):

Game 1:
I can't remember too much about this game to be honest, I personally played a Ziggs v Oriana lane which I think Oriana did really well, and showed me that I need to get more confident with Ziggs since I don't know exactly how much dmg combo's will do etc. Also not knowing if the combo's going to land doesnt make that easyer. In the end I did get to gank bot a few times, and from what I remember bot was doing pretty well anyway.

Game 2:
I was Nocturne, and the main thing I remember here was a Malphite doing really, really well and just blowing up our team on most fights. I thought Diana did well against Lux, and the other team had such an unpeelable team with Vi, Malphite, Diana that there didnt seem to be much we could do, despite our botlane snowballing early. A large part of this was that I have no idea how/when to engage as I'm not used to playing top/jngl, so I'm going to have a lot of improving to do there.

Game 3:
Mostly came down to our botlane losing hard, and me fucking up the timing of lvl 6. Both Vi and Gragas somehow got 6 before me and as such just as I thought "one more wave before we all hit 6 and i'll go back" they both hit 6 and a deadly gank was the result. After that I could hold mid fairly well, but with the exessive warding comming from bot I was scared to leave my lane, and bot seemed to go out of control. Then we managed to get back somehow and I think at some point had a good chance of winning it, but we had a few weird and/or stupid split-ups and caught-outs which quickly rolled the game back against us, and the other team finished out nicely. I think Gragas played the lane well, it's normally a lane I do very well against as Viktor but the pressure from Vi just kept me back and Grag's used that well, well played mate!

I think some games with Diamond shotcallers could be nice if they'd be up for that, I think a lot of the time at least I had no good idea wether we should go in or not, and I think we could really learn from the higher-ups on this front. It's irritating that there's still no decent replay function, that would make analyzing these moments a lot easyer ^^ I'd love to hear some other rundowns of the games to get perspectives from other lanes and people!

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

October 30 2013 23:18 GMT

#412

If somebody is able to give me some replays from tonight, i can look into it. I have a few things i want to address.

koziol

Poland768 Posts

October 31 2013 09:17 GMT

#413

On October 31 2013 07:41 Promises wrote:
Had a lot of fun again today guys =) Sponkz recaps also really helped a lot.
My thoughts on the games (obviously mostly from my own perspective ^^):

Game 1:
I can't remember too much about this game to be honest, I personally played a Ziggs v Oriana lane which I think Oriana did really well, and showed me that I need to get more confident with Ziggs since I don't know exactly how much dmg combo's will do etc. Also not knowing if the combo's going to land doesnt make that easyer. In the end I did get to gank bot a few times, and from what I remember bot was doing pretty well anyway.

Game 2:
I was Nocturne, and the main thing I remember here was a Malphite doing really, really well and just blowing up our team on most fights. I thought Diana did well against Lux, and the other team had such an unpeelable team with Vi, Malphite, Diana that there didnt seem to be much we could do, despite our botlane snowballing early. A large part of this was that I have no idea how/when to engage as I'm not used to playing top/jngl, so I'm going to have a lot of improving to do there.

Game 3:
Mostly came down to our botlane losing hard, and me fucking up the timing of lvl 6. Both Vi and Gragas somehow got 6 before me and as such just as I thought "one more wave before we all hit 6 and i'll go back" they both hit 6 and a deadly gank was the result. After that I could hold mid fairly well, but with the exessive warding comming from bot I was scared to leave my lane, and bot seemed to go out of control. Then we managed to get back somehow and I think at some point had a good chance of winning it, but we had a few weird and/or stupid split-ups and caught-outs which quickly rolled the game back against us, and the other team finished out nicely. I think Gragas played the lane well, it's normally a lane I do very well against as Viktor but the pressure from Vi just kept me back and Grag's used that well, well played mate!

I think some games with Diamond shotcallers could be nice if they'd be up for that, I think a lot of the time at least I had no good idea wether we should go in or not, and I think we could really learn from the higher-ups on this front. It's irritating that there's still no decent replay function, that would make analyzing these moments a lot easyer ^^ I'd love to hear some other rundowns of the games to get perspectives from other lanes and people!

As I played only in game 3 I can speak only of that one. I was playing Gragas and honestly I feel like every matchup Gragas goes its just farmfest. Its really hard to kill someone solo as that fatguy and actually its realy hard to kill Gragas too cus of his bodyslam 3-4 sec cooldown. So the lane was just farming and I remember you had constantly like 5 - 10 cs more than me. The gank sure helped me a lot but it was still a close lane without anyone having advantage. So yea I was really concentrated on the mid lane and I didnt even notice our bot snowballed so hard. But at one point game could change when after my team won teamfight (like 3-5) around 20 - 25 mins we decided to go baron = Gragas + Varus + Sona which ended in Sona dying to Baron and me + Varus barerly leaving the pit. Also our other team fights were bit sloppy I think. Nasus was especially annoying and I was always in doubt if i should ult him to stop him from our ADC or i should seek for a better opportunity. but well since Varus was carrying so hard now I know it was obvious to just keep him alive.
anyways good game too bad i was late so i only played once.

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

October 31 2013 12:01 GMT

#414

That baron call in game 3 was way too sloppy from me. I had hopes we would do it before they had time to react, but if i remember correctly we were 4 people alive and had 1 defending somewhere else (replay pls).

The general issue is that nobody dares to initiate. I played ADC in game 1 and support in game 2 and 3; unless i was baiting, nobody was willing to initiate on their own (both my team and the enemy team). I really do hope that next time we'll have a better leader for either team, and i might consider playing an initiater, because the fights got real sloppy when nobody did a full commitment.

koziol

Poland768 Posts

October 31 2013 13:05 GMT

#415

Well I think our team in 3rd game had a pretty good initiation (theoretycially good (spelling?)). I think it should be like-> Vi going in with her ult (for Viktor or ADC but Viktor was more fed); after this I can ult perfectly (as Gragas) so Viktor gets splitted from his team and is a free kill or already dead; Sona + Varus can kinda hold enemy team in place too for that to happen.
But IMO it was all up to Vi going in and allowing me to ult good to split one of their carrys from the team.
In all other fight my ults where like to allow us to run away or to keep Nasus away from our ADC.

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

October 31 2013 13:40 GMT

#416

I was speaking from a general point of view. Every comp in all 3 games had decent initiation tools, however it never seemed that people knew when to go in and why. Especially in game 2, i noticed from my own PoV (thresh) that i was able to land semi-good hooks but i only had backup from 1 or 2 instead of the whole team.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 31 2013 14:44 GMT

#417

Dunno in game 2 (only game i played an initiator myself) I felt like we were doing the initiating-following up thingy fine in the later teamfights, overall. I was on the team that won the teamfights tho so that might make me biased

early there were some messy fights tho.

Our team just needed some confidence to know they could go ham, I think. Once that was there it went well.