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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 22 2013 11:27 GMT
#5601
screenshot from s4 testing:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1380810_754690987879596_1733510948_n.jpg

Supports with actual items, and no wards in inventory. Hm.
Off-season = best season
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 22 2013 11:56 GMT
#5602
Doesn't really mean much. Supports always got actual items when there wasn't everything on the line.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
October 22 2013 11:57 GMT
#5603
Nah i was thinking the same. Doesn't really look different from a game you could play on the live server.
hi
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 22 2013 12:00 GMT
#5604
On October 22 2013 17:43 Alaric wrote:
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On October 22 2013 11:49 Seuss wrote:
On October 22 2013 10:29 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 22 2013 10:11 Alaric wrote:
On October 22 2013 09:47 Sufficiency wrote:
I feel Morgana is just too plain and binary, and her skill ceiling is too low. Probably any plat players can play Morgana competitively... because you know, there isn't really much you need to do.

People swoon all over Lux but Morg's skill ceiling is low—what?

They're often compared, 'cept Lux has a way lower skill floor, and Morgana's more situational and susceptible to mobility creep in general.
People still won't rush Banshee or QSS or whatever against her, so when they rely on base MR+runes her W is huge. Problem is, whereas others just want/need to hit one spell as they poke, she's got to hit a combo, and her Q, despite very strong numbers (damage, cc duration, range) is still a slow skillshot (not the particle itself, the wind-up).

Mobility made it so it's harder to make people stand in the pool (well, they're better at spreading out in general, remember Morgana got shafted because of excess popularity at the start of season 2), and it's harder to get a good ult. Power creep in general and the way builds have evolved means that RoA first isn't as doable now (it's not that weird frankly, the catalyst passive and all the stats make sense on her, it's just too disconnected from the pace of the game atm) so she's also more susceptible to poke, while stuff like new SV means her midgame WQ combo isn't as universally threatening as it was.


TL;DR: Morgana's like Galio, relegated to strong anti-dive and counter-initiation and it's not popular nor sought-out now, with the pushing and aggressive mindset. Also mobility creep.


I donno. I feel Lux is a lot harder to play, because:

1. Does not have no-brainer Corrupted Soil wave clear from level 4. Laning phase not trivial.
2. Does not have (almost) no-brainer point-blank R. Teamfight not trivial.
3. Combo requires autoattacking weaved in.


Actually, Corrupted Soil is pretty awkward these days. If your opponent has a way to demolish your melee minions they can really screw up your pool placement. It used to be the most godly waveclear in the game because there were basically zero champions who could do that, but not anymore.

Even in her prime there were a bunch of champs who could screw her rather easily, dedicated pushers like Malz, Morde, Heimerdinger, Galio, Brand after his first back, etc. (Lux could too, took a bit more time though. And the fact that a lot of champs built RoA 1st item back then also played into that situation, since Morg clears off of base damage and they all skipped AP early.)
Obviously they weren't all optimal/viable in competitive play at that time, but in pubs?

That'd be like saying "Karthus is OP, can't stop his farming and he scales hard QQ" while ignoring that Syndra, LB, Veigar, Talon, etc. exist (a few months ago I'd have said Fizz/Ahri but they're FotM now).

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On October 22 2013 12:40 Maxyim wrote:
On October 22 2013 12:28 SpaceToaster wrote:
On October 22 2013 12:19 Maxyim wrote:
Hey guys, just got into this, currently loving me some Fiddle jung, TF mid, and Corki AD carry (alternating between these three depending on what my allies are doing). Still playing normal, just wondering how viable these champs / playstyles are in ranked. Thanks for any advice!


Fiddle is relevant at all levels of play, as a jungler he can be easy to disrupt but a good ult is devastating to any team, he gets played as a support more than a jungler at high levels. TF has very strong global pressure and fits into poke or splitpush comps, currently a little weak due to the assassin meta in mid lane. Corki is currently the most played ADC, though he's getting slight nerfs and triforce took some slight nerfs lately, too soon to tell how much impact they'll have.


Awesome, thanks! Also looking at adding Trynd (top or jung if they have a strong counter-jungler when it comes to ranked, yeah Fiddle is super easy to mess with) into my repetoire, what do you think about that?

Also, what are your recommendations on backup mid and AD carries to train on in case TF / Corki get banned in games. Not interested in Ezregaybait, way too common imo. Maybe Ahri and Varus? Maybe Anivia as well for the lols...

I'd say Orianna since she's more teamfight-oriented than TF and does well against assassins (who TF's weak against) in general (I believe Diana too? I find her fun to play, and her ult mechanic makes it easy to roam, no huge cd).
If you want a backup in the "another pusher/roamer" sense, Kassadin, Ahri, Fizz all strong roamers, all banned often though, and only Ahri really pushes. Ziggs can assist fights from super far with his ult, his passive rewards auto-ing like TF does, and he pushes/pokes super well. And a veteran will like ou (5HIT I think?).

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On October 22 2013 13:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
His ult is good, honestly. It's not fantastic but it really is underrated. It doesn't have the same dps as his autoattacks, but until people stop seeing it like that they wont see how useful it is. Autoattacks cant be shot while moving/dashing, and they don't allow you to be able to deal damage from anywhere in the fight.

"It's too hard to hit Pantheon's ult, you need to cast behind them it's not intuitive, and you scale badly because without escape you can't dive 1v5 and assassinate late game, waaah!"

Well maybe because that's simply not how the champion's supposed to be played, duh? >< Gets me so annoyed when people refuse to switch on their brain or adapt their playstyle, because I'm afraid if they complain enough Riot might listen to them.


Sure Morgana has counterpicks, but those you listed see as much competitive play as Poppy essentially. The only one there with some potential is Brand.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 22 2013 12:12 GMT
#5605
Mordekaiser and Galio actually saw competitive play too (and Lux obv.). I wouldn't be able to tell you when exactly, and it didn't overlap with Morgana much (Kennen was super popular at the time (although more top), Galio too, as well as Karthus, Orianna and other AoE mids, so stuff like Malz and Morde was overlooked, and Brand had suffered from nerfs in the previous months shortly after his release and Orianna's).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
October 22 2013 14:09 GMT
#5606
On October 22 2013 04:24 Doctorbeat wrote:
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On October 22 2013 04:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 22 2013 04:09 AsnSensation wrote:
On October 22 2013 04:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
til progamers one of the progamers with the biggest fanbase and markability make 10 times more than I do


FTFY
if you make 60k a year you probably better off then 90% of the rest of them. Most of the LCS players don't stream on the side and make only 25k in riot salary for 2 splits+ any winnings.

This also goes for streamers who "only" make a living with 1-3k viewers like Destiny who probably are nowhere near the 6 figure range.

I wonder how much Voyboy or TOO could make if they streamed 40hours a week, and just only did that as their source of income.


Nowhere near as much as the guys who own the websites/brands. HSGG/Regi are the big boys in terms of money.

I couldn't name a single tsm/clg sponsor except snapdragon. They suck so much at marketing that I doubt they make that much money
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Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
October 22 2013 14:18 GMT
#5607
On October 22 2013 20:27 Redox wrote:
screenshot from s4 testing:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1380810_754690987879596_1733510948_n.jpg

Supports with actual items, and no wards in inventory. Hm.

dat DL feed though
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 22 2013 14:19 GMT
#5608
hackerv2 dunking on them like it was solo q
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
October 22 2013 14:20 GMT
#5609
I can name two CLG sponsors - ibuypower and azubu.tv

Azubu because they don't stream on twitch

ibuypower:
http://www.ibuypower.com/info/limited-edition-clg-systems.aspx
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 22 2013 14:36 GMT
#5610
On October 22 2013 23:20 thenexusp wrote:
I can name two CLG sponsors - ibuypower and azubu.tv

Azubu because they don't stream on twitch

ibuypower:
http://www.ibuypower.com/info/limited-edition-clg-systems.aspx

I was kind of expecting like a PC tower with Hotshot's face on the side.

And by expecting I mean hoping for
It's your boy Guzma!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 22 2013 14:57 GMT
#5611
On October 22 2013 19:49 HaruRH wrote:
Sorry almighty Ghandi, it seems that Lucian can be op after all

I promise I will not say Lucian is bad ever again

(just watched a Lucian beat a jinx with a score of 7/0)

Cheers and Beers bby

Jinx and Lucian have different roles on teams.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 22 2013 14:58 GMT
#5612
On October 22 2013 20:27 Redox wrote:
screenshot from s4 testing:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1380810_754690987879596_1733510948_n.jpg

Supports with actual items, and no wards in inventory. Hm.

ezrael wtih even more attack speed? the horrors
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 22 2013 15:00 GMT
#5613
On October 22 2013 23:58 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 20:27 Redox wrote:
screenshot from s4 testing:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1380810_754690987879596_1733510948_n.jpg

Supports with actual items, and no wards in inventory. Hm.

ezrael wtih even more attack speed? the horrors

Honestly, while he's still good they really took a lot off of his W over that series of nerfs, so I wouldn't be surprised for there to be compensations or changes. AS Debuff was really bullshit, though.
It's your boy Guzma!
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 22 2013 15:02 GMT
#5614
On October 23 2013 00:00 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 23:58 oneofthem wrote:
On October 22 2013 20:27 Redox wrote:
screenshot from s4 testing:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1380810_754690987879596_1733510948_n.jpg

Supports with actual items, and no wards in inventory. Hm.

ezrael wtih even more attack speed? the horrors

Honestly, while he's still good they really took a lot off of his W over that series of nerfs, so I wouldn't be surprised for there to be compensations or changes. AS Debuff was really bullshit, though.

He is in a perfect spot.Honestly other than sivir all ad-s are in a good place.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 22 2013 15:04 GMT
#5615
On October 23 2013 00:02 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 00:00 Requizen wrote:
On October 22 2013 23:58 oneofthem wrote:
On October 22 2013 20:27 Redox wrote:
screenshot from s4 testing:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1380810_754690987879596_1733510948_n.jpg

Supports with actual items, and no wards in inventory. Hm.

ezrael wtih even more attack speed? the horrors

Honestly, while he's still good they really took a lot off of his W over that series of nerfs, so I wouldn't be surprised for there to be compensations or changes. AS Debuff was really bullshit, though.

He is in a perfect spot.Honestly other than sivir all ad-s are in a good place.

Eh, I feel like MF and Kog could use some love, though they still have their niches.

Also I don't know if you were counting Quinn in that list or not. She's fine anywhere but AD duo imo.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 22 2013 15:04 GMT
#5616
On October 23 2013 00:00 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 23:58 oneofthem wrote:
On October 22 2013 20:27 Redox wrote:
screenshot from s4 testing:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1380810_754690987879596_1733510948_n.jpg

Supports with actual items, and no wards in inventory. Hm.

ezrael wtih even more attack speed? the horrors

Honestly, while he's still good they really took a lot off of his W over that series of nerfs, so I wouldn't be surprised for there to be compensations or changes. AS Debuff was really bullshit, though.


if by "bullshit" you mean "completely warranted", then yes, I agree
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 22 2013 15:06 GMT
#5617
I think Graves could stand some buffs too, but I don't want him to be Mr. Scary 1-shot again.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 15:10:08
October 22 2013 15:06 GMT
#5618
I think even Sivir would be fine if they would just let boomerang blade do more than half of it's damage to targets behind minions, it's not like it's the fastest missile in the world to begin with.

MF could possibly be buffed back to her ult damage at the start of s3, but it really depends on if there are changes to limit split pushing, if you can force team fights easier in s4 she'll be good again.

Graves is good, I don't know why we don't see him more, the fact that people still pick Ezreal for anything other than blue Ez just shows people are unwilling to play champions that require good positioning unless they are broken op (see:Vayne)
Carrilord has arrived.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 22 2013 15:09 GMT
#5619
On October 23 2013 00:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2013 00:00 Requizen wrote:
On October 22 2013 23:58 oneofthem wrote:
On October 22 2013 20:27 Redox wrote:
screenshot from s4 testing:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/q71/s720x720/1380810_754690987879596_1733510948_n.jpg

Supports with actual items, and no wards in inventory. Hm.

ezrael wtih even more attack speed? the horrors

Honestly, while he's still good they really took a lot off of his W over that series of nerfs, so I wouldn't be surprised for there to be compensations or changes. AS Debuff was really bullshit, though.


if by "bullshit" you mean "completely warranted", then yes, I agree

No, I mean the debuff itself was bullshit, the nerf was warranted. I dislike the ability almost altogether right now, it's basically just good for a TF proc or a passive stack and nothing else.
It's your boy Guzma!
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 22 2013 15:09 GMT
#5620
Sivir feels like she needs to win lane by lvl2 or she kind of suffers due to her 525 range
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