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On October 21 2013 22:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I'm skeptical that he actually get 600k/year. More than likely he has merchandising sponsorship deals/packages taht are valued at a certain amount of money that he adds on.
Than again maybe ESPORTS is just rolling in the dough.
It counts all his revenue streams.
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On October 21 2013 23:06 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2013 22:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 21 2013 17:43 Alaric wrote:On October 21 2013 13:24 LoCicero wrote:
I think Pantheon's passive needs to scale or be reprogrammed. Currently when it gets later on in the game your passive gets proc'd by minions... I think the programming is set such that it doesn't take armor/mr into account or something? That's the only thing I can think of.
Fighting in minions late game can sometimes screw with your passive. Iirc it's triggered when you take 40 or more damage from an auto, so champions, big monsters and siege/super minions trigger it, but not regular monsters nor minions. No idea how it interacts with armour nor how fast regular minions hit this stage though. That seems incredibly foolish. Why wouldn't it be coded to just react to cannon minion (makes sense), champs, or turrets? Why wouldn't it be coded to...This phrase and Riot have traditionally not gone well together.
To be fair, I think the thought process with these sorts of things on a lot of the newer champions tend to make sense. Zyra plant AI works quite a bit better than Tibbers/Viktorcloud for example.
It's the older stuff that they haven't updated in years that has issues.
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On October 21 2013 23:08 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2013 23:06 AsmodeusXI wrote:On October 21 2013 22:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 21 2013 17:43 Alaric wrote:On October 21 2013 13:24 LoCicero wrote:
I think Pantheon's passive needs to scale or be reprogrammed. Currently when it gets later on in the game your passive gets proc'd by minions... I think the programming is set such that it doesn't take armor/mr into account or something? That's the only thing I can think of.
Fighting in minions late game can sometimes screw with your passive. Iirc it's triggered when you take 40 or more damage from an auto, so champions, big monsters and siege/super minions trigger it, but not regular monsters nor minions. No idea how it interacts with armour nor how fast regular minions hit this stage though. That seems incredibly foolish. Why wouldn't it be coded to just react to cannon minion (makes sense), champs, or turrets? Why wouldn't it be coded to...This phrase and Riot have traditionally not gone well together. To be fair, I think the thought process with these sorts of things on a lot of the newer champions tend to make sense. Zyra plant AI works quite a bit better than Tibbers/Viktorcloud for example. It's the older stuff that they haven't updated in years that has issues.
Omg, I swear Tibbers' AI has gotten worse as the season progresses.
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I'm pretty convinced Tibbers doesn't even have ai, cause 90% of the time it just stands there staring into the sky longingly as Annie throws tiny fireballs at the tower. What went wrong he wonders, as 5 other people throw various projectiles at his face.
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On October 21 2013 23:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2013 23:08 Ketara wrote:On October 21 2013 23:06 AsmodeusXI wrote:On October 21 2013 22:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 21 2013 17:43 Alaric wrote:On October 21 2013 13:24 LoCicero wrote:
I think Pantheon's passive needs to scale or be reprogrammed. Currently when it gets later on in the game your passive gets proc'd by minions... I think the programming is set such that it doesn't take armor/mr into account or something? That's the only thing I can think of.
Fighting in minions late game can sometimes screw with your passive. Iirc it's triggered when you take 40 or more damage from an auto, so champions, big monsters and siege/super minions trigger it, but not regular monsters nor minions. No idea how it interacts with armour nor how fast regular minions hit this stage though. That seems incredibly foolish. Why wouldn't it be coded to just react to cannon minion (makes sense), champs, or turrets? Why wouldn't it be coded to...This phrase and Riot have traditionally not gone well together. To be fair, I think the thought process with these sorts of things on a lot of the newer champions tend to make sense. Zyra plant AI works quite a bit better than Tibbers/Viktorcloud for example. It's the older stuff that they haven't updated in years that has issues. Omg, I swear Tibbers' AI has gotten worse as the season progresses.
My first Lissandra v. Viktor game is about to start! I'm scared!
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Why are people complaining about Tibber's AI, you can control him directly.
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On October 21 2013 23:14 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2013 23:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 21 2013 23:08 Ketara wrote:On October 21 2013 23:06 AsmodeusXI wrote:On October 21 2013 22:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 21 2013 17:43 Alaric wrote:On October 21 2013 13:24 LoCicero wrote:
I think Pantheon's passive needs to scale or be reprogrammed. Currently when it gets later on in the game your passive gets proc'd by minions... I think the programming is set such that it doesn't take armor/mr into account or something? That's the only thing I can think of.
Fighting in minions late game can sometimes screw with your passive. Iirc it's triggered when you take 40 or more damage from an auto, so champions, big monsters and siege/super minions trigger it, but not regular monsters nor minions. No idea how it interacts with armour nor how fast regular minions hit this stage though. That seems incredibly foolish. Why wouldn't it be coded to just react to cannon minion (makes sense), champs, or turrets? Why wouldn't it be coded to...This phrase and Riot have traditionally not gone well together. To be fair, I think the thought process with these sorts of things on a lot of the newer champions tend to make sense. Zyra plant AI works quite a bit better than Tibbers/Viktorcloud for example. It's the older stuff that they haven't updated in years that has issues. Omg, I swear Tibbers' AI has gotten worse as the season progresses. My first Lissandra v. Viktor game is about to start! I'm scared!
You being Liss?
Dodge lasers, bait his W with E. You can build tanky AP and still dish out a whole ton of damage.
On October 21 2013 23:15 thenexusp wrote:
Why are people complaining about Tibber's AI, you can control him directly.
Because about 60% of the time, he doesn't listen.
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On October 21 2013 23:15 thenexusp wrote:
Why are people complaining about Tibber's AI, you can control him directly.
Because a lot of the time you tell him to do something and he does not do it.
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Have you ever tried to control a bear as a little girl? Shit's hard.
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Make us proud kiddo.
Edit: oh you're Liss? Fuck you then.
More seriously, you've got lower ult cd and stronger gank assist so you can abuse that. He instaclears earlier than you but if he doesn't get blue buff he'll get oom too fast to roam reliably (he lacks mobility to stay in range for several rotations when he ganks so he needs his ult, which has an actual mana cost). Some will rush chalice or build it after augment to offset his needs a bit but he delays his power spikes and weakens his burst if he does that so he's less dangerous.
Viktor's still squishy so if you get a gank you can esily kill him during your ult, faceplanting on his W isn't too big a problem as long as he doesn't get to cast ult (or you'll eat damage during the stun; on the other hand if he does it and doesn't kill you, you've got pretty much free reign on the lane till it's back up).
And yeah, I'd have told you to look at his release date, Soniv.  I guess with how the jungle's been changed now it would be easier for Riot to just say "siege minions, super minions, relic holding monsters, drake, nashor and champions trigger Pantheon's passive" (and then you'd have to wonder if pets should too, because Yorick ghouls do squat early game but more late, Tibbers has flat damage, and Voidlings from an AD Malz would wreck you).
Viktor's ult is weird. I haven't thoroughly tested it, but from ingame experience it seems like:
- if you drop it on a single target it'll automatically follow it
- if you tell it to reach a point (or the targt dies) it'll stand in place, not acquiring new stuff to follow
- if you tell it to reach a hostile unit it'll do that: reach the point where it was, but it won't keep following it
It's super annoying against mobile champions because if you barely screw the AoE and hit other stuff with the cast it won't follow them and you'll have to redirect it all the time to make up for their changes of direction (fuck you Nidalee).
Morde's ghost is like an undead Tibbers, it doesn't listen for shit either and it doesn't have a super sunfire to make up for it.
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I only ever play Annie in ARAMs but I don't usually have a problem controlling Tibbers o.o
I mean, if you give him one command and then forget about him he'll derp out, so you either have to never give him a command or babysit him through the entire duration.
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On October 21 2013 23:23 Alaric wrote:Make us proud kiddo. And yeah, I'd have told you to look at his release date, Soniv. I guess with how the jungle's been changed now it would be easier for Riot to just say "siege minions, super minions, relic holding monsters, drake, nashor and champions trigger Pantheon's passive" (and then you'd have to wonder if pets should too, because Yorick ghouls do squat early game but more late, Tibbers has flat damage, and Voidlings from an AD Malz would wreck you). Viktor's ult is weird. I haven't thoroughly tested it, but from ingame experience it seems like: - if you drop it on a single target it'll automatically follow it - if you tell it to reach a point (or the targt dies) it'll stand in place, not acquiring new stuff to follow - if you tell it to reach a hostile unit it'll do that: reach the point where it was, but it won't keep following it It's super annoying against mobile champions because if you barely screw the AoE and hit other stuff with the cast it won't follow them and you'll have to redirect it all the time to make up for their changes of direction (fuck you Nidalee).
I actually haven't really had issues with Vik ult. It will follow something if you set it on them. Mobile champs can just be hard to directly click on with it, but I haven't been screwed by it not following them.
I would actually love a similar indicator ring for Tibbers' target.
On October 21 2013 23:25 thenexusp wrote:
I only ever play Annie in ARAMs but I don't usually have a problem controlling Tibbers o.o
I mean, if you give him one command and then forget about him he'll derp out, so you either have to never give him a command or babysit him through the entire duration.
Yeah, which is very difficult during teamfights when you're trying to issue tons of commands and maintain your full rotation of sustain damage, while also positioning appropriately. You can literally click him into the middle of 5 enemies, and he will just stand there. Sometimes, he doesn't even listen to the move commands.
It would be nice if he acquired nearby enemy champs as targets unless you issue another command (like "move" or "attack this creep/tower")
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Yay I won.
Vik was definitely a bully but it wasn't Syndra or Leblanc level scary, and late game Liss is just better.
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Thinking of picking up more mid heros, I can currently play ori/ahri kind of well, bought gragas yesterday and planning on practicing him for a little while. I guess I should be getting kassadin/syndra next? What are all the popular kids playing these days
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On October 22 2013 00:07 Nos- wrote:
Thinking of picking up more mid heros, I can currently play ori/ahri kind of well, bought gragas yesterday and planning on practicing him for a little while. I guess I should be getting kassadin/syndra next? What are all the popular kids playing these days
The Official TL Mid Lane Selections as brought to you by Soniv are Annie and Lissandra.
However, if you're a true man, you subscribe to the teachings of the great Atrioc and rock the mighty Pantheon and Fizz.
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uncontrollable minion ai can be pretty derpy (sometimes i think voidlings are just imported dragoons), but controllable pet problems are solved by just controlling better. lazy target acquisition that results in the pet just standing there makes it easier to manually control at the cost of requiring constant attention from the user
then again, all of the above is completely void if manual control is unresponsive
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On October 22 2013 00:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 00:07 Nos- wrote:
Thinking of picking up more mid heros, I can currently play ori/ahri kind of well, bought gragas yesterday and planning on practicing him for a little while. I guess I should be getting kassadin/syndra next? What are all the popular kids playing these days The Official TL Mid Lane Selections as brought to you by Soniv are Annie and Lissandra. However, if you're a true man, you subscribe to the teachings of the great Atrioc and rock the mighty Pantheon and Fizz.
Lissandra > Fizz, obvs.
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On October 22 2013 00:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2013 00:07 Nos- wrote:
Thinking of picking up more mid heros, I can currently play ori/ahri kind of well, bought gragas yesterday and planning on practicing him for a little while. I guess I should be getting kassadin/syndra next? What are all the popular kids playing these days The Official TL Mid Lane Selections as brought to you by Soniv are Annie and Lissandra. However, if you're a true man, you subscribe to the teachings of the great Atrioc and rock the mighty Pantheon and Fizz.
Bitch, I don't play no FotM assassins (cuz I'm bad at them)
Been picking up Ori again recently. Both times I've picked her, I was counterpicked by LB. Max E, spam MR. Lol, too easy
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Vik can't Q you if you slow him with yours (has to walk up because of short range), and even if he's got a minion in the way he'll eat the damage before his shield comes back to him.
He's mostly annoying at early levels because you don't have the mana/damage to push yet and he'll try to punish your last hits, but with some pots it's easy to get over it.
In the midgame he'll run himself oom without blue because of your passive and relatively low costs (no idea if chalice gets bought on Lissandra), so if you both shove he'll have trouble roaming (plus without blue he can't poke at all because it's easy to stand away from your minions and make him choose between pushing and poking: he won't have the mana to do both) and if you fight in the river it's easier for you to run away/you've got better cc if junglers come.
And then there's the part where Viktor sucks at reaching safe/long range targets and becomes more of a follow-up guy as time goes on, while Liss' E and ult are really good setups (esp. with Zhonya).
^ screw you Soniv Pantheon isn't FotM and he's even less an assassin. He just makes an exemple out of his opponents.
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