EPTOn October 21 2013 14:30 MattBarry wrote:
Everytime I see a Cait with no support they manage to farm just fine unless they're getting dove by their jungler because you cannot zone Cait from farm.
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On October 21 2013 14:06 FinestHour wrote:
you ever have those games where youre adc and u go bot lane and then suddenly your supp disconnects then the enemy duo lane goes ham on you and you die a lot
now picture that in top lane instead
On October 21 2013 14:02 iCanada wrote:
Im just saying it has never been tried... I think it could be a good counter to like fast push comps, split push comps you know.
Thats all I am saying.
On October 21 2013 14:01 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
You're suggesting to put Caitlyn in a 1v2 top lane and you fail to see how this is exactly the same thing as playing a 2v2 without a support. Sure, you still have a duo lane somewhere else but you're putting an ADC in a 1v2 vs a support/ADC and that's what I'm talking about.
If it's too hard for you to understand perhaps I can explain it with pictures, let me know if it's hard to grasp.
On October 21 2013 13:17 iCanada wrote:
Never said that. Just wopuld have like Bruiser/Support lane instead. Maybe mage/support
On October 21 2013 13:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting to play a 2v2 lane without a support? It's pretty easy to see why that is a horrible idea. The idea against this strategy would not be to push towers down but to freefarm and deny Caitlyn levels until the 2v1's adc could 1v1 Cait and then suddenly you have a roaming support + freefarm for your adc + a completely useless enemy champ.
On October 21 2013 12:58 iCanada wrote:
Okay, but how are you going to push a tower against a caitlyn? Sure you be wicked behind in farm, but who they will never get your tower. You'll grab theirs npnp, and then suddenly their 2v1 failed epically. Sure you can zone caitlyn, stop her from getting gold, but get her tower? Never.
Add flash, barrier, and a bunch of traps at Caits tower, I dont think she that easy to dive either.
On October 21 2013 11:49 cLutZ wrote:
Cait 1v2? Kidding? Easy to dive, easy to zone (duo stands in your minion line), little gank assist, putting her 2v1 means she is significantly behind for early tower pushes (Cait's main strength).
The problem with the solution of new laners who can live 2v1 is #1. Need to remake like half the cast, and #2. That strength doesn't translate to soloqueue so it splits the meta even more than it already is.
Jax is pretty hard to dive 2v1 or 3v2, so you need to do a 3v1 dive, but everyone dies to that. He also is decent at farming under tower, and is able to catch up better than most other toplanes.
On October 21 2013 11:17 iCanada wrote:
Is that solution really to make 2v1 not viable? or is the solution to just run with it and create top laners that can fend for themselves mid?
Or hell, why not send a Caitlyn top to 1v2? No one has tried. I think she'd do well, no one can really push with her, and she could certainly get farm safely. If you gave a Sivir a blue buff I'm sure she'd do damn well too.
Then you could have a roamer like Alistar as well as a jungler.
On October 21 2013 11:12 cLutZ wrote:
To be fair, 2v1 did, and continues to, shrink the viable toplane pool substantially.
To be fair, 2v1 did, and continues to, shrink the viable toplane pool substantially.
Is that solution really to make 2v1 not viable? or is the solution to just run with it and create top laners that can fend for themselves mid?
Or hell, why not send a Caitlyn top to 1v2? No one has tried. I think she'd do well, no one can really push with her, and she could certainly get farm safely. If you gave a Sivir a blue buff I'm sure she'd do damn well too.
Then you could have a roamer like Alistar as well as a jungler.
Cait 1v2? Kidding? Easy to dive, easy to zone (duo stands in your minion line), little gank assist, putting her 2v1 means she is significantly behind for early tower pushes (Cait's main strength).
The problem with the solution of new laners who can live 2v1 is #1. Need to remake like half the cast, and #2. That strength doesn't translate to soloqueue so it splits the meta even more than it already is.
On October 21 2013 11:19 schmutttt wrote:
Isn't jax one of the worst 1v2 laners yet has seen a lot more play recently?
On October 21 2013 11:12 cLutZ wrote:
To be fair, 2v1 did, and continues to, shrink the viable toplane pool substantially.
To be fair, 2v1 did, and continues to, shrink the viable toplane pool substantially.
Isn't jax one of the worst 1v2 laners yet has seen a lot more play recently?
Jax is pretty hard to dive 2v1 or 3v2, so you need to do a 3v1 dive, but everyone dies to that. He also is decent at farming under tower, and is able to catch up better than most other toplanes.
Okay, but how are you going to push a tower against a caitlyn? Sure you be wicked behind in farm, but who they will never get your tower. You'll grab theirs npnp, and then suddenly their 2v1 failed epically. Sure you can zone caitlyn, stop her from getting gold, but get her tower? Never.
Add flash, barrier, and a bunch of traps at Caits tower, I dont think she that easy to dive either.
Are you seriously suggesting to play a 2v2 lane without a support? It's pretty easy to see why that is a horrible idea. The idea against this strategy would not be to push towers down but to freefarm and deny Caitlyn levels until the 2v1's adc could 1v1 Cait and then suddenly you have a roaming support + freefarm for your adc + a completely useless enemy champ.
Never said that. Just wopuld have like Bruiser/Support lane instead. Maybe mage/support
You're suggesting to put Caitlyn in a 1v2 top lane and you fail to see how this is exactly the same thing as playing a 2v2 without a support. Sure, you still have a duo lane somewhere else but you're putting an ADC in a 1v2 vs a support/ADC and that's what I'm talking about.
If it's too hard for you to understand perhaps I can explain it with pictures, let me know if it's hard to grasp.
Im just saying it has never been tried... I think it could be a good counter to like fast push comps, split push comps you know.
Thats all I am saying.
you ever have those games where youre adc and u go bot lane and then suddenly your supp disconnects then the enemy duo lane goes ham on you and you die a lot
now picture that in top lane instead
Everytime I see a Cait with no support they manage to farm just fine unless they're getting dove by their jungler because you cannot zone Cait from farm.
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