EPTOn October 21 2013 16:33 Complete wrote:
er, sona builds AP on ARAM
O_o
er, sona builds AP on ARAM
O_o
Tri-force Sona is better than AP Sona, that's how terrible it is.
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
Tri-force Sona is better than AP Sona, that's how terrible it is. | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
This encourages individual playstyles and decision making. Do you go for the immidiate benefits of shiv? or do you aim to be a better late game precense with PD? There is no right answer to that question on quite a few champions, although some still have a clear preference (I can't imagine a good Trist player would sacrifice a needed buffer to her bad midgame for a bit better late game) | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On October 21 2013 14:30 MattBarry wrote: Everytime I see a Cait with no support they manage to farm just fine unless they're getting dove by their jungler because you cannot zone Cait from farm. Caitlyn is NOT good at trading and in a 1v2 situation any support with a heal can make it so that your adc can get up in Cait's face and force a trade with no consequences. Caitlyn with no sustain vs any adc with sustain is a loss for Cait. Alternatively you can have any ranged support buy 5 pots in the beginning and harass her off of last hits with auto attacks. The third horrendous scenario is that if your support is melee that means it's either Thresh, Blitz, Taric, or Leona and it means that you have CC + any adc vs Cait by herself. I really think you guys overestimate how strong Caitlyn is at early levels. If she were this good she would just win every lane always in a 2v2. Think about it. On October 21 2013 14:17 zer0das wrote: Why does your rendition of summoner's rift have so many penises on it? Serious question. I administer a lot of psychological batteries to people and a lot of them have what we call a "projective" in them. This just reveals aspects of my personality that are subconscious. I mean, stfu ur blind. On October 21 2013 14:43 GhandiEAGLE wrote: 5hit must have taken drawing lessons from Dyrus, dayum Please, good sir. I was a god in paint before we even met. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On October 21 2013 17:09 Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: Its quite clear that the shiv vs PD discussion is a matter of early game timing vs late game scaling. This is something that League has been missing a bit historically, and I only find it to be a good thing that an item like Shiv that has a good midgame power spike, but bad scaling exists. This encourages individual playstyles and decision making. Do you go for the immidiate benefits of shiv? or do you aim to be a better late game precense with PD? There is no right answer to that question on quite a few champions, although some still have a clear preference (I can't imagine a good Trist player would sacrifice a needed buffer to her bad midgame for a bit better late game) I think PD is better only in protracted teamfights while Shiv has a lot of value in sieges and in terms of initial burst. It diversifies your damage against tanks and a shiv proc that hits multiple people is pretty valuable. The movespeed is higher as well, and I value movespeed very highly on all ADCs that I play. I think PD is good on Tristana and Caitlyn because they both build IE as core but the Shiv proc is better in the types of games I like to play because I generally prefer precise objective-based play to straight fights unless we're so far ahead that it doesn't matter anyway. What I'm looking for in an item isn't always strictly gold efficiency for damage--which honestly I don't know the exact numbers on--but I like Shiv's timing and effect in poke wars/sieges a lot more than I like PD's increase in damage to a single champion (I assume it does more from what people say). | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On October 21 2013 17:14 JonGalt wrote: What international tournaments are lined up for the off season? is it only iem cologne? and wcg but it will be a rofl stomp for korea/china | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 21 2013 13:24 LoCicero wrote: I think Pantheon's passive needs to scale or be reprogrammed. Currently when it gets later on in the game your passive gets proc'd by minions... I think the programming is set such that it doesn't take armor/mr into account or something? That's the only thing I can think of. Fighting in minions late game can sometimes screw with your passive. Iirc it's triggered when you take 40 or more damage from an auto, so champions, big monsters and siege/super minions trigger it, but not regular monsters nor minions. No idea how it interacts with armour nor how fast regular minions hit this stage though. | ||
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
On October 21 2013 17:23 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I think PD is better only in protracted teamfights while Shiv has a lot of value in sieges and in terms of initial burst. It diversifies your damage against tanks and a shiv proc that hits multiple people is pretty valuable. The movespeed is higher as well, and I value movespeed very highly on all ADCs that I play. I think PD is good on Tristana and Caitlyn because they both build IE as core but the Shiv proc is better in the types of games I like to play because I generally prefer precise objective-based play to straight fights unless we're so far ahead that it doesn't matter anyway. What I'm looking for in an item isn't always strictly gold efficiency for damage--which honestly I don't know the exact numbers on--but I like Shiv's timing and effect in poke wars/sieges a lot more than I like PD's increase in damage to a single champion (I assume it does more from what people say). And then other players have playstyles that lean more to building PD. Its a style thing more than having one be always superior. The only reason some champions really prefers one over the other is due to the style these champions fit into the best. Shiv is better poke, movespeed and burst. PD is better scaling and single target damage. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On October 21 2013 17:43 Alaric wrote: Iirc it's triggered when you take 40 or more damage from an auto, so champions, big monsters and siege/super minions trigger it, but not regular monsters nor minions. No idea how it interacts with armour nor how fast regular minions hit this stage though. By 26 mins into the game caster minions can pop his passive, and caster minions are what actually builds up when a wave pushes. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On October 21 2013 15:42 UniversalSnip wrote: do you mean because it doesn't stack quickly while attacking? how fast it stacks while running isn't really relevant to how well it scales with autos, it could just not have the movement thing at all and it would scale about as well with right clicks Spin movement charges it faster than any other source he has. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 21 2013 16:46 RagequitBM wrote: Weird. Maybe I'm just playing bad jinxes. I have yet to lose to a Jinx as Vayne. Or even have any difficulty whatsoever. That is how it goes unless jinx has a stronger support.It's an easy matchup for vayne. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On October 21 2013 21:14 nafta wrote: That is how it goes unless jinx has a stronger support.It's an easy matchup for vayne. i havent tried vayns vs jinx yet, didnt Jinx has AS steroid and out duel vayne? | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On October 21 2013 22:22 justiceknight wrote: i havent tried vayns vs jinx yet, didnt Jinx has AS steroid and out duel vayne? You can disengage as vayne any time you wish she can't so not really. Lane can be hard if she has a stronger support and they just keep you under tower entire game.You can still go even easily though. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On October 21 2013 22:35 AsnSensation wrote: Ocelote 600k annual salary has to be heavily exaggerated right right right? source? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
The horses mouth. http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ow6x9/ocelote_i_earn_more_than_600000_year_playing/ | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
Than again maybe ESPORTS is just rolling in the dough. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 21 2013 17:43 Alaric wrote: Iirc it's triggered when you take 40 or more damage from an auto, so champions, big monsters and siege/super minions trigger it, but not regular monsters nor minions. No idea how it interacts with armour nor how fast regular minions hit this stage though. That seems incredibly foolish. Why wouldn't it be coded to just react to cannon minion (makes sense), champs, or turrets? | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
On October 21 2013 22:53 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I'm skeptical that he actually get 600k/year. More than likely he has merchandising sponsorship deals/packages taht are valued at a certain amount of money that he adds on. Than again maybe ESPORTS is just rolling in the dough. If my spanish haven't been totally wrecked since high school days he include everything into the value - merchandise, streaming etc.  | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On October 21 2013 22:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: That seems incredibly foolish. Why wouldn't it be coded to just react to cannon minion (makes sense), champs, or turrets? Why wouldn't it be coded to... This phrase and Riot have traditionally not gone well together. | ||
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