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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 20 2013 19:42 GMT
#5301
Didn't know you could jump Gold V -> III. Go me. I guess.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 19:46:34
October 20 2013 19:45 GMT
#5302
On October 21 2013 03:26 UniversalSnip wrote:
Nami is an instant reroll for me. Supports with bad scaling are so worthless late on that map, she just does nothing compared to some random other pick.

Personally I think Nami is one of the top 10 champs on ARAM because it's one huge teamfight and Nami crushes teamfights. I'm not really sure how you are misplaying her if you think that she is bad.

On October 21 2013 03:47 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 03:41 Fusilero wrote:
On October 21 2013 03:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On October 21 2013 03:30 Tal wrote:
I just watched the old Malzahar champion spotlight and it's incredible how far they've come. Phreak sounds detached, they explain the spells without showing them, and there are like two minutes of him explaining basic mana management- e.g save mana for your ult. Pretty entertaining. Video

Also he picks out Soraka as a priority target.

Yo that Soraka was building full terror AP. Slusher is ahead of his time (or we're just all behind? I don't even...)

The days of AP soraka and AP lulu.

Pretty happy to not have those again.

Even if they kept their ratios I don't think it would be that great in s3. Adc nerfs, and accelerated gameplay would severely cripple this strat, maybe could work on vayne or corki due to strong single item timings.

It wasn't her ratios getting nerfed, it was the entire rework on her kit. E used to be self-targetable for free mana and W used to be on a massively shorter cooldown and cost less but give no armor buff. Soraka mid would still be extremely viable because of her silence nuke and itemless sustain that scales.

Oh and you're also forgetting that AP Soraka was played in mid lane, not from support. That's probably why you don't think it's strong?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 20 2013 19:50 GMT
#5303
BTW bad scaling does not imply bad on ARAM. See Alistar.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 20 2013 19:58 GMT
#5304
Supports need a tether item that can be upgraded like 300-400 gold at a time. It should work kinda like Wisp's tether, (probably with different bonuses) and goes on like a 10-15 Second CD if the tether is broken.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 20:24:04
October 20 2013 20:11 GMT
#5305
Dignitas used either Janna or Taric when they ran the comp. Their jungle was also Mundo because pretty autonomous, lightning-fast clear and once he got his SV+HP item (sunfire, randuin's or warmogs, can't remember) he could initiate by simply walking into the whole enemy team and between Soraka mid, Lulu top, and Taric/Janna support he'd have the survivability to hold the frontline alone.

Because they ran Kog'Maw they had a super-scaling with high damage AD carry that meant the enemy team had to do something about him in teamfights, but there was a shitton of peeling and trying to ignore Mundo meant that the heals and shields could go to Kog instead, making him really hard to take down.

The comp lacked clear and poke, but between Kog's range, Mundo's tankiness and the shields/heals they could walk up to the tower, tank some shots while Kog whittled it down, rinse and repeat till it's down.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 20 2013 20:13 GMT
#5306
On October 21 2013 04:50 Sufficiency wrote:
BTW bad scaling does not imply bad on ARAM. See Alistar.

Alistar scales with defensive items really hard, if you get alistar againsy moatly AP team, sv is op'd opening item on him. Also triforce burst on him is wack as fuck.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 20 2013 20:15 GMT
#5307
On October 21 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 04:50 Sufficiency wrote:
BTW bad scaling does not imply bad on ARAM. See Alistar.

Alistar scales with defensive items really hard, if you get alistar againsy moatly AP team, sv is op'd opening item on him. Also triforce burst on him is wack as fuck.

Triforce burst on alistar is wack as fuck is like saying Triforce on Karthus is wack as fuck. Alistar is strong because his E is broken in ARAM.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 20:18:12
October 20 2013 20:15 GMT
#5308
On October 21 2013 05:11 Alaric wrote:
Dignitas used either Janna or Taric when they ran the comp. Their jungle was also Mundo because pretty autonomous, lightning-fast clear and once he got his SV+HP item (sunfire, randuin's or warmogs, can't remember) he could initiate by simply walking into the whole enemy team and between Soraka mid, Lulu top, and Taric/Janna support he'd have the survivability to hold the frontline alone.

Because they ran Kog'Maw as the AD carry they had a super-scaling with high damage AD carry that meant the enemy team had to do something about him in teamfights, but their was a shitton of peeling and trying to ignore Mundo meant that the heals and shields could go to Kog instead, making him really hard to take down.

The comp lacked clear and poke, but between Kog's range, Mundo's tankiness and the shields/heals they could walk up to the tower, tank some shots while Kog whittled it down, rinse and repeat till it's down.

That, and Mundo's base magic damage is pretty damn high (scaling/pen is the issue for Mundo) as is Kog's, which meant their teamfight grew increasingly stronger as their teamwide DPS scaled tremendously as the teamfights grew longer. Could've worked with any jungler with high base magic damage/survivability (Shyvana for instance).

It was genius: pity Riot nerfed it into the ground.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
October 20 2013 20:18 GMT
#5309
On October 21 2013 03:30 BlackPaladin wrote:
How does a nid kill a kennen pre-6. (qtpie's stream) Like....what...?

Hit spears. Then when hes low he plays stupidly and gets hit and dies.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 20 2013 20:25 GMT
#5310
On October 21 2013 05:15 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 21 2013 04:50 Sufficiency wrote:
BTW bad scaling does not imply bad on ARAM. See Alistar.

Alistar scales with defensive items really hard, if you get alistar againsy moatly AP team, sv is op'd opening item on him. Also triforce burst on him is wack as fuck.

Triforce burst on alistar is wack as fuck is like saying Triforce on Karthus is wack as fuck. Alistar is strong because his E is broken in ARAM.

AP alistar is the only way to play aram alistar.
Glorious SEA doto
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-20 20:32:53
October 20 2013 20:32 GMT
#5311
On October 21 2013 04:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 03:26 UniversalSnip wrote:
Nami is an instant reroll for me. Supports with bad scaling are so worthless late on that map, she just does nothing compared to some random other pick.

Personally I think Nami is one of the top 10 champs on ARAM because it's one huge teamfight and Nami crushes teamfights. I'm not really sure how you are misplaying her if you think that she is bad.


that's SR speaking. Compared to some other dude with items, no, she does not wreck teamfights, lol. If supports with items were as strong in teamfights as other heroes with items you'd just run supports all the time.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 20 2013 20:34 GMT
#5312
On October 21 2013 05:25 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 05:15 Sufficiency wrote:
On October 21 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 21 2013 04:50 Sufficiency wrote:
BTW bad scaling does not imply bad on ARAM. See Alistar.

Alistar scales with defensive items really hard, if you get alistar againsy moatly AP team, sv is op'd opening item on him. Also triforce burst on him is wack as fuck.

Triforce burst on alistar is wack as fuck is like saying Triforce on Karthus is wack as fuck. Alistar is strong because his E is broken in ARAM.

AP alistar is the only way to play aram alistar.

this guy gets it
Bronze player stuck in platinum
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 20 2013 20:35 GMT
#5313
Having one of the best healing throughputs and good CC makes you pretty broke as fuck on ARAM, especially when your healing skill also pokes.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 20 2013 20:41 GMT
#5314
Quick question: do I max Q or W first on Jinx?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 20 2013 20:52 GMT
#5315
On October 21 2013 05:32 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 04:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On October 21 2013 03:26 UniversalSnip wrote:
Nami is an instant reroll for me. Supports with bad scaling are so worthless late on that map, she just does nothing compared to some random other pick.

Personally I think Nami is one of the top 10 champs on ARAM because it's one huge teamfight and Nami crushes teamfights. I'm not really sure how you are misplaying her if you think that she is bad.


that's SR speaking. Compared to some other dude with items, no, she does not wreck teamfights, lol. If supports with items were as strong in teamfights as other heroes with items you'd just run supports all the time.

You don't pick supports as champions not scaling with farm, you pick supports as champions with strong base utility (potentially a bit level-dependant, though) regardless of how well they scale off of farm.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
October 20 2013 20:54 GMT
#5316
On October 21 2013 05:52 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 05:32 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 21 2013 04:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On October 21 2013 03:26 UniversalSnip wrote:
Nami is an instant reroll for me. Supports with bad scaling are so worthless late on that map, she just does nothing compared to some random other pick.

Personally I think Nami is one of the top 10 champs on ARAM because it's one huge teamfight and Nami crushes teamfights. I'm not really sure how you are misplaying her if you think that she is bad.


that's SR speaking. Compared to some other dude with items, no, she does not wreck teamfights, lol. If supports with items were as strong in teamfights as other heroes with items you'd just run supports all the time.

You don't pick supports as champions not scaling with farm, you pick supports as champions with strong base utility (potentially a bit level-dependant, though) regardless of how well they scale off of farm.

the ones that do scale get nerfed until they're no longer supports or no longer scale, so at this point they're basically equivalent
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 20 2013 20:56 GMT
#5317
On October 21 2013 05:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Quick question: do I max Q or W first on Jinx?

w
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
October 20 2013 20:58 GMT
#5318
On October 21 2013 05:56 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 05:41 Sufficiency wrote:
Quick question: do I max Q or W first on Jinx?

w


thx!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 20 2013 20:59 GMT
#5319
On October 21 2013 05:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 05:52 Alaric wrote:
On October 21 2013 05:32 UniversalSnip wrote:
On October 21 2013 04:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On October 21 2013 03:26 UniversalSnip wrote:
Nami is an instant reroll for me. Supports with bad scaling are so worthless late on that map, she just does nothing compared to some random other pick.

Personally I think Nami is one of the top 10 champs on ARAM because it's one huge teamfight and Nami crushes teamfights. I'm not really sure how you are misplaying her if you think that she is bad.


that's SR speaking. Compared to some other dude with items, no, she does not wreck teamfights, lol. If supports with items were as strong in teamfights as other heroes with items you'd just run supports all the time.

You don't pick supports as champions not scaling with farm, you pick supports as champions with strong base utility (potentially a bit level-dependant, though) regardless of how well they scale off of farm.

the ones that do scale get nerfed until they're no longer supports or no longer scale, so at this point they're basically equivalent

Fuck 'em, support Fiddle never dying!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 20 2013 21:03 GMT
#5320
On October 21 2013 04:42 Sufficiency wrote:
Didn't know you could jump Gold V -> III. Go me. I guess.


ur mmr really high/good then
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
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