According to Osen, Samsung electronics is negotiating to acquire MVP Ozone (Team MVP's championship class LoL squad) for a sum in the region of $300,000~500,000. The negotiations are reported to be in the final stages.
Depending on the final conditions, there is a possibility that Samsung will also acquire MVP's SC2 squad, Dota2 squad, and the remaining MVP Blue squad (their other LoL team).
The upcoming League of Legends World Championship is said to be reason for the hasty negotiations from Samsung, as MVP Ozone has confirmed their spot there.
If MVP's SC2 team is " bought " as part of the deal I imagine they would get rid of most of the players and keep the elite few for their main team. MVP sc2 is a huge team right now and I don't see why they would add 20 more players when the kespa teams are all supposedly downsizing their sc2 squads.
So basically we'll lose another sc2 team if this happens.
On September 03 2013 16:52 GTR wrote: that's a lot of money
It's actually pretty smart.
Ozone has four world class players: Imp, Mata, Dandy and dade. They should be an elite team for a long time. They're also a big favorite to go deep and win the entire tournament along with probably OMG and the Korean Regional winner.
Also, unlike KT, CJ and SKT, Samsung is a global brand. What better way to advertise your product and push yourself to the head of the e-sports world than grabbing a team that has a great shot of winning what is going to be the most watched e-sports event of all-time.
Half of that price is actually being paid for the dancing coach!
But anyway this should be easily worth it for Samsung, looking at the record breaking OGN Finals numbers and also the implications that has on the upcoming S3 finals viewership.
Now top 6 or so in KR will be all KeSPA teams though... :O
On September 03 2013 17:01 DarkLordOlli wrote: It would make sense to get the MVP SC2 team as well at least, they currently have the most amount of Code S players out of any team.
That's a lot of money from Samsung. Never watched LoL , but I watched MVP won 1st place on a Korean tournaments when I randomly clicked on a featured stream couple months ago
Considering the state of Korean LoL right now, it's a really, really smart purchase by Samsung. MVP while having good players/teams, they aren't a global brand, and don't really gain much aside from winnings and some exposure and some fans.
But for Samsung, it's 300k-500k to reach millions of people, the vast majority of whom fit within a targeted demographic (generally speaking, 15-30 range, mostly male), who also often times have disposable income. Very, very difficult to not have positive ROI on this purchase.
I wouldn't be surprised if MVP ends up selling everything and disappearing though. MVP owner's could potentially walk away with high 6 figures if they sell off everything. Without the championship quality LoL team, brand recognition gets a lot harder, as well as finding sponsors.
On September 03 2013 17:17 MrMercuG wrote: So... What is going to happen are they going to mash Khan and MVP together if they were to acquire the SC2 teams aswell.
They would probably maybe keep up a few of the SC2 players, maybe keep Swagger as an assistant/player coach and cut the rest.
On September 03 2013 17:17 MrMercuG wrote: So... What is going to happen are they going to mash Khan and MVP together if they were to acquire the SC2 teams aswell.
I could see them dropping sponsorship for KHAN or just merging the two squads into 1 team and probably get rid of some of the players( if the 2 teams merged rosters they would have a huge number of players) It probably makes more sense to put the MVP SC2 players on KHAN as it's a more "established" brand you could say
On September 03 2013 17:17 MrMercuG wrote: So... What is going to happen are they going to mash Khan and MVP together if they were to acquire the SC2 teams aswell.
They would probably maybe keep up a few of the SC2 players, maybe keep Swagger as an assistant/player coach and cut the rest.
contracts and loyalty ;o
tbh MVP as a straight up replacement for samsung would improve their sc2 squad so much
What if the MVP coaches believe so much in their future, their teams, and their fan loyalty that they will stare Samsung's check books in the face, say that they're too prideful to sell, and turn down the $500,000?
On September 03 2013 17:25 Fionn wrote: What if MVP Ozone says no?
What if the MVP coaches believe so much in their future, their teams, and their fan loyalty that they will stare Samsung's check books in the face, say that they're too prideful to sell, and turn down the $500,000?
On September 03 2013 17:25 Fionn wrote: What if MVP Ozone says no?
What if the MVP coaches believe so much in their future, their teams, and their fan loyalty that they will stare Samsung's check books in the face, say that they're too prideful to sell, and turn down the $500,000?
In a world not governed by money this could happen. In our world, it won't.
[B]On September 03 2013 17:16 TheSayo182 wrot who said kespa teams are struggling?
Its not like these giant corporates are poor so that they cant pay their players. Its just a question of whethere they are willing to make an investment or not.
On September 03 2013 17:25 Fionn wrote: What if MVP Ozone says no?
What if the MVP coaches believe so much in their future, their teams, and their fan loyalty that they will stare Samsung's check books in the face, say that they're too prideful to sell, and turn down the $500,000?
[B]On September 03 2013 17:16 TheSayo182 wrot who said kespa teams are struggling?
Its not like these giant corporates are poor so that they cant pay their players. Its just a question of whethere they are willing to make an investment or not.
and obviously the investment is to go towards league, not sc2. reality check guys.
On September 03 2013 17:25 Fionn wrote: What if MVP Ozone says no?
What if the MVP coaches believe so much in their future, their teams, and their fan loyalty that they will stare Samsung's check books in the face, say that they're too prideful to sell, and turn down the $500,000?
Well they must somewhat be willing to sell it for the right price or else negotiations probably wouldn't have reached this stage, no?
On September 03 2013 17:25 Fionn wrote: What if MVP Ozone says no?
What if the MVP coaches believe so much in their future, their teams, and their fan loyalty that they will stare Samsung's check books in the face, say that they're too prideful to sell, and turn down the $500,000?
On September 03 2013 17:37 Dodgin wrote: I'm taking bets on how long until the first person comes in here asking why there is LoL news frontpaged on TL and saying they feel betrayed
Actually, this is relevant to SC2, unlike the Dota2 guide, and this is also not a featured article, but actual news regarding MVP potentially going KeSPA! Go KeSPA! MVP for Proleague!
[B]On September 03 2013 17:16 TheSayo182 wrot who said kespa teams are struggling?
Its not like these giant corporates are poor so that they cant pay their players. Its just a question of whethere they are willing to make an investment or not.
and obviously the investment is to go towards league, not sc2. reality check guys.
[B]On September 03 2013 17:16 TheSayo182 wrot who said kespa teams are struggling?
Its not like these giant corporates are poor so that they cant pay their players. Its just a question of whethere they are willing to make an investment or not.
and obviously the investment is to go towards league, not sc2. reality check guys.
On September 03 2013 17:37 Dodgin wrote: I'm taking bets on how long until the first person comes in here asking why there is LoL news frontpaged on TL and saying they feel betrayed
Actually, this is relevant to SC2, unlike the Dota 2 guide, and this is also not a featured article, but actual news regarding MVP going KeSPA! Go KeSPA! MVP for Proleague!
Good news all around.
Well It's only tangibly related to sc2, if the MVP sc2 team comes with the deal they aren't going to keep the 20 MVP players and make a Samsung 2 SC2 team. They would probably take the top 5 or 6 players in Team MVP, add them to Samsung while cutting their weaker SC2 players and letting the rest go.
That would actually be terrible news for sc2, It's one less team and a ton of players suddenly jobless.
On September 03 2013 17:37 Dodgin wrote: I'm taking bets on how long until the first person comes in here asking why there is LoL news frontpaged on TL and saying they feel betrayed
Actually, this is relevant to SC2, unlike the Dota 2 guide, and this is also not a featured article, but actual news regarding MVP going KeSPA! Go KeSPA! MVP for Proleague!
Good news all around.
Well It's only tangibly related to sc2, if the MVP sc2 team comes with the deal they aren't going to keep the 20 MVP players and make a Samsung 2 SC2 team, they would probably take the top 5 or 6 players in Team MVP, add them to Samsung while cutting their weaker SC2 players and letting the rest go.
That would actually be terrible news for sc2, It's one less team and a ton of players suddenly jobless.
Well, terrible news possibly, but still news... As you said, this might have big implications on SC2, aswell.
On September 03 2013 17:37 Dodgin wrote: I'm taking bets on how long until the first person comes in here asking why there is LoL news frontpaged on TL and saying they feel betrayed
Actually, this is relevant to SC2, unlike the Dota 2 guide, and this is also not a featured article, but actual news regarding MVP going KeSPA! Go KeSPA! MVP for Proleague!
Good news all around.
Well It's only tangibly related to sc2, if the MVP sc2 team comes with the deal they aren't going to keep the 20 MVP players and make a Samsung 2 SC2 team, they would probably take the top 5 or 6 players in Team MVP, add them to Samsung while cutting their weaker SC2 players and letting the rest go.
That would actually be terrible news for sc2, It's one less team and a ton of players suddenly jobless.
The castaways would just make their own team called Least Valuable Player and face SouL in the GSTL finals. 40,000 fans will show up to said final and SC2 will become the #1 e-sport in Korea.
On September 03 2013 17:37 Dodgin wrote: I'm taking bets on how long until the first person comes in here asking why there is LoL news frontpaged on TL and saying they feel betrayed
Actually, this is relevant to SC2, unlike the Dota 2 guide, and this is also not a featured article, but actual news regarding MVP going KeSPA! Go KeSPA! MVP for Proleague!
Good news all around.
Well It's only tangibly related to sc2, if the MVP sc2 team comes with the deal they aren't going to keep the 20 MVP players and make a Samsung 2 SC2 team. They would probably take the top 5 or 6 players in Team MVP, add them to Samsung while cutting their weaker SC2 players and letting the rest go.
That would actually be terrible news for sc2, It's one less team and a ton of players suddenly jobless.
Eh, a bit pessimistic, but anyway I feel they would be way better off cutting KHAN and replacing it entirely with MVP players in that case.
On September 03 2013 17:37 Dodgin wrote: I'm taking bets on how long until the first person comes in here asking why there is LoL news frontpaged on TL and saying they feel betrayed
Actually, this is relevant to SC2, unlike the Dota 2 guide, and this is also not a featured article, but actual news regarding MVP going KeSPA! Go KeSPA! MVP for Proleague!
Good news all around.
Well It's only tangibly related to sc2, if the MVP sc2 team comes with the deal they aren't going to keep the 20 MVP players and make a Samsung 2 SC2 team. They would probably take the top 5 or 6 players in Team MVP, add them to Samsung while cutting their weaker SC2 players and letting the rest go.
That would actually be terrible news for sc2, It's one less team and a ton of players suddenly jobless.
Eh, a bit pessimistic, but anyway I feel they would be way better off cutting KHAN and replacing it entirely with MVP players in that case.
Yeah what I noticed, nowhere Samsung KHAN seems to be specifically mentioned, am I right? It's only Samsung Electronics. Or maybe I missed something.
On September 03 2013 17:37 Dodgin wrote: I'm taking bets on how long until the first person comes in here asking why there is LoL news frontpaged on TL and saying they feel betrayed
Actually, this is relevant to SC2, unlike the Dota 2 guide, and this is also not a featured article, but actual news regarding MVP going KeSPA! Go KeSPA! MVP for Proleague!
Good news all around.
Well It's only tangibly related to sc2, if the MVP sc2 team comes with the deal they aren't going to keep the 20 MVP players and make a Samsung 2 SC2 team. They would probably take the top 5 or 6 players in Team MVP, add them to Samsung while cutting their weaker SC2 players and letting the rest go.
That would actually be terrible news for sc2, It's one less team and a ton of players suddenly jobless.
Eh, a bit pessimistic, but anyway I feel they would be way better off cutting KHAN and replacing it entirely with MVP players in that case.
Unless Roro and Stork also retire I don't see them cutting KHAN's SC2 team completely, too much loyalty there.
On September 03 2013 17:37 Dodgin wrote: I'm taking bets on how long until the first person comes in here asking why there is LoL news frontpaged on TL and saying they feel betrayed
Actually, this is relevant to SC2, unlike the Dota 2 guide, and this is also not a featured article, but actual news regarding MVP going KeSPA! Go KeSPA! MVP for Proleague!
Good news all around.
Well It's only tangibly related to sc2, if the MVP sc2 team comes with the deal they aren't going to keep the 20 MVP players and make a Samsung 2 SC2 team. They would probably take the top 5 or 6 players in Team MVP, add them to Samsung while cutting their weaker SC2 players and letting the rest go.
That would actually be terrible news for sc2, It's one less team and a ton of players suddenly jobless.
Eh, a bit pessimistic, but anyway I feel they would be way better off cutting KHAN and replacing it entirely with MVP players in that case.
But teams are like family. Loyalty, knowing the players, and having built them yourself from your training system. There is also the fact that the players are under contract, etc.
They would probably keep Keen, Super, DRG, and Dream, cut the rest (dukedeok won't help much with Proleague/Korean standing in Europe) and proceed as normal.
On September 03 2013 17:25 Fionn wrote: What if MVP Ozone says no?
What if the MVP coaches believe so much in their future, their teams, and their fan loyalty that they will stare Samsung's check books in the face, say that they're too prideful to sell, and turn down the $500,000?
Samsung doubles the amount offered and the owners of MVP laugh their way to the bank?
On a serious note: Can it be that Innovation (and possibly some others as well) is fleeing from KeSpAtalization of the Korean Scene? Blizzard seems to have failed with breaking up then monopoly...
On September 03 2013 17:49 Lylat wrote: I hope they won't get rid of Homme since he's the only one who's not an absolute beast ... That would be horrible Oo
He would probably be really hard to replace right now. But as anyone on a KeSPA team, he will have to watch out really fucking carefully not to be replaced eventually. As we all know, you can be out of the door tomorrow.
On September 03 2013 17:49 Lylat wrote: I hope they won't get rid of Homme since he's the only one who's not an absolute beast ... That would be horrible Oo
I don't think they would replace homme quickly unless he has a disastrous showing at worlds and inhouse. But everybody is going to be watchful, because there's a good chance Samsung will also pick up a couple subs.
Also top lane at the moment doesn't really leave too much room for players to really shine. Far too pick/matchup dependant with current meta/itemization.
Homme actually fits MVP Ozone perfectly. They have four world class players. LoL is exactly like basketball. You can't have three to four people who need the ball on every play. Homme fits into Ozone's system of being a utility Top. Dandy, dade and Imp are the top three options, and he basically gets the rebounds, tanks, and does all the little things that need to be done. Obviously if he was on a team with less options, say a Jin Air Falcons or CTU, then he would be terribly exposed and probably be replaced, but he's the perfect Top for Ozone's composition.
On September 03 2013 17:49 Lylat wrote: I hope they won't get rid of Homme since he's the only one who's not an absolute beast ... That would be horrible Oo
I don't think they would replace homme unless he has a disastrous showing at worlds and inhouse.
Also top lane at the moment doesn't really leave too much room for players to really shine. Far too pick/matchup dependant with current meta/itemization.
At least the way Homme plays. In comparison to a CJ Flame, Shy or whoever he still pales IMO. But we don't know how much he delivers behind the scenes with strategizing/shotcalling/coordinating, so juding a player at face value always seems somewhat lackluster.
Interesting... with the big shuffles going on in the scene i was thinking about the big companies and their teams. I'd totally be okay if the Korean scene condensed itself to half the current number of teams if it meant more stability and player salaries and stuff. It's also cool to see LoL kind of pushing Starcraft 2 along, even though it'd be nice if it was more self-motivating of course.
On September 03 2013 18:05 AsnSensation wrote: O_O even if the deal happens within this week it kinda feels wrong to not have "MVP Ozone" at worlds but Samsung instead
On September 03 2013 18:43 iKill[ShocK] wrote: If this happens we might see a lot of Samsung(ozone) at international tournaments since they're more of a global brand than CJ/SKT/KT etc...
Surprisingly Ozone also traveled quite a bit. We just barely notice it because they only traveled within Asia and played in Chinese/Taiwanese tournaments during their off-season, mostly in showmatches stomping someone. I don't know, can you buy Hot6ix in all of Asia? Because they sometimes send these Hot6ix commercials starring MVP Ozone at Taiwanese or Chinese events.
I wonder if Samsung Khan is buying the MVP LoL coaching staff as well or getting their own. Gotta feel like a part of Ozone's success is due to their coaching staff..
On September 03 2013 19:09 Irave wrote: Looks like its getting really expensive to buy a spot in the LoL scene.
It's more that Ozone is a top three team probably in the world right now, have a place at the world finals, and have four world class players that still have lots of room to improve.
Being a global brand, buying Ozone before the world finals and making their debut on the biggest e-sport stage of all-time is a great marketing play.
On September 03 2013 18:43 iKill[ShocK] wrote: If this happens we might see a lot of Samsung(ozone) at international tournaments since they're more of a global brand than CJ/SKT/KT etc...
Surprisingly Ozone also traveled quite a bit. We just barely notice it because they only traveled within Asia and played in Chinese/Taiwanese tournaments during their off-season, mostly in showmatches stomping someone. I don't know, can you buy Hot6ix in all of Asia? Because they sometimes send these Hot6ix commercials starring MVP Ozone at Taiwanese or Chinese events.
its because Ozone is a Taiwanese peripheral brand thats trying to branch out. (hence MVP 'Ozone')
On September 03 2013 19:16 Grovbolle wrote: 500K$ seems cheap to get the amount of exposure to Samsung IMO.
Not that I watch League, but Ozone are like the Big dawgs right?
Yes, same level of play as SKT, KT, and the CJ teams. With the difference that Ozone already have their spot for S3 World Finals secured right now (based on their Spring Championship win and SKT winning the Summer season) and the other KeSPA teams still have to fight for the remaining spot amongst themselves.
On September 03 2013 19:14 bokchoi wrote: I wonder if Samsung Khan is buying the MVP LoL coaching staff as well or getting their own. Gotta feel like a part of Ozone's success is due to their coaching staff..
Oh I'm sure they will. They might just put a new headmanager in charge of them. Maybe even add some additional coaching or analysts to the staff?
On September 03 2013 19:16 Grovbolle wrote: 500K$ seems cheap to get the amount of exposure to Samsung IMO.
Not that I watch League, but Ozone are like the Big dawgs right?
Right now, the consensus would probably rate them top three in the world.
Haha but only if you put the Korean top 3 as the top 3 of the world. Which would most likely be true, but I'd see it as possible that the best Chinese team (OMG? iG? I'm bad with the Chinese) could rank amongst them.
On September 03 2013 19:16 Grovbolle wrote: 500K$ seems cheap to get the amount of exposure to Samsung IMO.
Not that I watch League, but Ozone are like the Big dawgs right?
Right now, the consensus would probably rate them top three in the world.
Haha but only if you put the Korean top 3 as the top 3 of the world. Which would most likely be true, but I'd see it as possible that the best Chinese team (OMG? iG? I'm bad with the Chinese) could rank amongst them.
SKT/Ozone and then take your pick of Bullets, OMG, CJ's, or even Fnatic/C9 if you want.
Looks like if they acquire SC2 squad as well, they will cut a lot of MVP players, as well as not resign other Khan players to keep the roster size manageable.
I fear the implications of the MVP SC2 squad being bought, I really, really hope that only the LoL team is acquired by Samsung. It would be sad to see most of the SC2 squad of Samsung and MVP culled and probably some players retire if Samsung acquires it.
On September 03 2013 16:54 Dodgin wrote: If MVP's SC2 team is " bought " as part of the deal I imagine they would get rid of most of the players and keep the elite few for their main team. MVP sc2 is a huge team right now and I don't see why they would add 20 more players when the kespa teams are all supposedly downsizing their sc2 squads.
So basically we'll lose another sc2 team if this happens.
Samsung is so big compared to the other Kespa teams' sponsors that they could support two teams at a time to double their chances at winning proleague without breaking a sweat. But probably not happening with the state of SC2 esport (somewhat constant, not growing viewership, compared to LoL).
I'm also really interested at what they do with the DotA team, though (it's not as big as LoL, but contrary to SC2, it's growing steadily, and Valve seems to be easier to work with than blizzard, not forcing broadcasters to pay to animate their game and all that). Pretty sure they won't get that much money, but it's 5 players, not 20 like a large SC2 team.
I don't know, 100k per player isn't bad. Seems like a 1 year salary per player being paid straight up (according to rough ballpark figures from Chobra's grilled) solely for the transfer. Should be a very good deal for Samsung with big ROI.
So ozone lose 1-3 to skt and barely win vs frost. Kt bullet on the other hand stomped frost and forcing skt in too a blindpick is ranked lower then ozone seems legit to me.
Interesting, from what I remember Samsung never invested too much in their BW team, even considering how big Samsung is they never spend more on it then STX did to my knowledge(granted STX is pretty big too). This is too good an opportunity to pass up on to though. In order to participate in the LoL Proleague they need a team and why not get the best money can buy you that is not owned by a Kespa team yet, smart move.
$500k is going to be a ton of money for MVP too, I hope they spend it wisely.
Also very much interested in the aquisition of a Dota 2 team obviously but there is not much information yet for that.
Also in b4 Samsung goes full SKT mode and MVP goes full on MBC mode.
On September 03 2013 19:54 UmberBane wrote: I don't know, 100k per player isn't bad. Seems like a 1 year salary per player being paid straight up (according to rough ballpark figures from Chobra's grilled) solely for the transfer. Should be a very good deal for Samsung with big ROI.
500k upfront to MVP + 2013 salary for the players after purchase. This could easily cost Samsung close to 1 million dollars.
On September 03 2013 19:54 UmberBane wrote: I don't know, 100k per player isn't bad. Seems like a 1 year salary per player being paid straight up (according to rough ballpark figures from Chobra's grilled) solely for the transfer. Should be a very good deal for Samsung with big ROI.
500k upfront to MVP + 2013 salary for the players after purchase. This could easily cost Samsung close to 1 million dollars.
On September 03 2013 18:05 AsnSensation wrote: O_O even if the deal happens within this week it kinda feels wrong to not have "MVP Ozone" at worlds but Samsung instead
but
What? So LOL koreans aren´t faceless koreans? haha just kidding. The interesting point of this news is that it leaves more "?????" in the air. Because, what will be done about the SC2 squads? Who knows.
as has been said, this is big $ in esports but tiny money for samsung the organization. given how big league is in korea and now the world, not surprising esp in contrast with the salaries that they once paid their big BW stars
On September 03 2013 20:57 teapoted wrote: I'm surprised you can buy a top LoL team for 500k in Korea, at least if you compare it to Dota trades in China.
On September 03 2013 17:25 Fionn wrote: What if MVP Ozone says no?
What if the MVP coaches believe so much in their future, their teams, and their fan loyalty that they will stare Samsung's check books in the face, say that they're too prideful to sell, and turn down the $500,000?
Would you like to bet on that?
with my life... they WILL accept SAMSUNG's terms...
On September 03 2013 20:57 teapoted wrote: I'm surprised you can buy a top LoL team for 500k in Korea, at least if you compare it to Dota trades in China.
On September 03 2013 20:57 teapoted wrote: I'm surprised you can buy a top LoL team for 500k in Korea, at least if you compare it to Dota trades in China.
haha yeah, Dota teams in China cost $1M.
not after what happened in TI3
Quite the opposite. At the moment every team is looking to change making the best players get more offers.
It's not like you'd have to compete to get X player against iG previously.
Last year when they performed well I am 100% sure that there was less money changing hands than there is at the moment after mediocre results.
On September 03 2013 22:55 Burns wrote: What does championship class team mean?
Thats a huge amount of money, MVP must be doing something right, and LoL must be popular enough to warrant that kind of money
Championship class means a team that's at the level where they can win championships. Ozone is arguably one of the best teams in the world at the moment and they have a good chance at winning tournaments like Worlds or OGN, making them champions.
On September 03 2013 22:55 Burns wrote: What does championship class team mean?
Thats a huge amount of money, MVP must be doing something right, and LoL must be popular enough to warrant that kind of money
Championship class means a team that's at the level where they can win championships. Ozone is arguably one of the best teams in the world at the moment and they have a good chance at winning tournaments like Worlds or OGN, making them champions.
They already won one, and came 3rth in the second.. so I guess they are already a champion team right? xD.
On September 03 2013 22:26 TommyP wrote: If Samsung buys just Ozone for 500,000$ and MVP keeps blue, their Dota and SC2 squads I'll be happy. If everything is sold ill be sad.
I think i'd actually rather all the teams stay together, even under a different brand. :/
On September 03 2013 22:26 TommyP wrote: If Samsung buys just Ozone for 500,000$ and MVP keeps blue, their Dota and SC2 squads I'll be happy. If everything is sold ill be sad.
Why?
Samsung = infinite money, i don't see how this can be bad for the dota/SC2 squads, unless they're planning on disbanding everything just for the lulz.
Damn, Samsung must want them really badly. Based on recent results it is understandable why they would want to pick up some new people, so might as well buy the entire team!
Samsung turned WCG into an esports event centering around cellphone games.
Let me just state for the record that I'm slightly skeptical this is in the teams best interests. They will suck what the soul out of it and trade it in for app sales ;p
On September 04 2013 00:01 Martijn wrote: Samsung turned WCG into an esports event centering around cellphone games.
Let me just state for the record that I'm slightly skeptical this is in the teams best interests. They will suck what the soul out of it and trade it in for app sales ;p
Ummm.
Samsung has been sponsoring WCG for 13 years. How many WCG's have been mobile focused?
On September 03 2013 22:38 Ctesias wrote: This is exciting. I'm not at all into LoL or Dota 2, but if Samsung acquires the SC2 MVP team, that'd be way cool.
SamsungKhanDongRaeGu has a nice sound to it.
If Galaxy were still in MVP, we would have SamsungGalaxy by now lol.
On September 03 2013 16:54 GTR wrote: also wax, when stuff is reported by the mainstream media like osen/sportschosun, it's normally reliable, right?
Usually when Fomos/OSEN/DES etc start posting things as "rumors", it's things that are 99% confirmed or pretty much confirmed. The real rumors are the stuff that's only on forums and such, but things that make it as articles are pretty reliable.
On another note, its amusing cause a lot of ESF SC2 teams went into making teams when SC2 first started in hopes of selling their teams to KeSPA teams later. Nice to see MVP finally making that dream come true.
On another note, its amusing cause a lot of ESF SC2 teams went into making teams when SC2 first started in hopes of selling their teams to KeSPA teams later. Nice to see MVP finally making that dream come true.
Hmmm, got any source for this or is it just your own speculation?
On September 04 2013 00:01 Martijn wrote: Samsung turned WCG into an esports event centering around cellphone games.
Let me just state for the record that I'm slightly skeptical this is in the teams best interests. They will suck what the soul out of it and trade it in for app sales ;p
Ummm.
Samsung has been sponsoring WCG for 13 years. How many WCG's have been mobile focused?
That's right, 0.
Clearly haven't been paying attention to WCG the last few years.
On September 03 2013 16:54 GTR wrote: also wax, when stuff is reported by the mainstream media like osen/sportschosun, it's normally reliable, right?
Usually when Fomos/OSEN/DES etc start posting things as "rumors", it's things that are 99% confirmed or pretty much confirmed. The real rumors are the stuff that's only on forums and such, but things that make it as articles are pretty reliable.
On another note, its amusing cause a lot of ESF SC2 teams went into making teams when SC2 first started in hopes of selling their teams to KeSPA teams later. Nice to see MVP finally making that dream come true.
On September 04 2013 00:01 Martijn wrote: Samsung turned WCG into an esports event centering around cellphone games.
Let me just state for the record that I'm slightly skeptical this is in the teams best interests. They will suck what the soul out of it and trade it in for app sales ;p
Ummm.
Samsung has been sponsoring WCG for 13 years. How many WCG's have been mobile focused?
That's right, 0.
Clearly haven't been paying attention to WCG the last few years.
On September 04 2013 00:01 Martijn wrote: Samsung turned WCG into an esports event centering around cellphone games.
Let me just state for the record that I'm slightly skeptical this is in the teams best interests. They will suck what the soul out of it and trade it in for app sales ;p
Ummm.
Samsung has been sponsoring WCG for 13 years. How many WCG's have been mobile focused?
That's right, 0.
Clearly haven't been paying attention to WCG the last few years.
Find me a WCG main event where the major PC titles aren't there.
WCG has mobile games BUT NOT as focused as what you think. Being a WCG follower since day 1, I DONT AGREE on the idea/statement that... "...WCG had been mobile focused." There were NO such thing. Of course WCG will put mobile games because WCG is about gaming on ALL platforms
WTF on this.... "They will suck what the soul out of it and trade it in for app sales."
On September 04 2013 00:01 Martijn wrote: Samsung turned WCG into an esports event centering around cellphone games.
Let me just state for the record that I'm slightly skeptical this is in the teams best interests. They will suck what the soul out of it and trade it in for app sales ;p
Ummm.
Samsung has been sponsoring WCG for 13 years. How many WCG's have been mobile focused?
That's right, 0.
Clearly haven't been paying attention to WCG the last few years.
Find me a WCG main event where the major PC titles aren't there.
WCG has mobile games BUT NOT as focused as what you think. Being a WCG follower since day 1, I DONT AGREE on the idea/statement that... "...WCG bad been mobile focused." There were NO such thing.
I don't know why you're telling me this, that's what I was telling them.
The whole 'WCG went mobile' was a leaked internal email and even if that email was true, it never actually happened other than promotional titles. But you know, most people just listen to eSports shows and don't actually watch the events so don't know. The last WCG wasn't that bad of an event even.
On September 04 2013 00:01 Martijn wrote: Samsung turned WCG into an esports event centering around cellphone games.
Let me just state for the record that I'm slightly skeptical this is in the teams best interests. They will suck what the soul out of it and trade it in for app sales ;p
Ummm.
Samsung has been sponsoring WCG for 13 years. How many WCG's have been mobile focused?
That's right, 0.
Clearly haven't been paying attention to WCG the last few years.
Find me a WCG main event where the major PC titles aren't there.
WCG has mobile games BUT NOT as focused as what you think. Being a WCG follower since day 1, I DONT AGREE on the idea/statement that... "...WCG bad been mobile focused." There were NO such thing.
I don't know why you're telling me this, that's what I was telling them.
The whole 'WCG went mobile' was a leaked internal email and even if that email was true, it never actually happened other than promotional titles. But you know, most people just listen to eSports shows and don't actually watch the events so don't know. The last WCG wasn't that bad of an event even.
You got it wrong bro. Im not telling this to you. I AM SUPPORTING YOUR CLAIMS.
On September 03 2013 17:01 DarkLordOlli wrote: It would make sense to get the MVP SC2 team as well at least, they currently have the most amount of Code S players out of any team.
Interestingly enough, people dont appreciate what SAMSUNG has done for ESPORTS.... TL NETIZENS dislike WCG which I think is AN INSULT to SAMSUNG's effort.
On September 04 2013 02:35 riyanme wrote: Interestingly enough, people dont appreciate what SAMSUNG has done for ESPORTS.... TL NETIZENS dislike WCG which I think is AN INSULT to SAMSUNG's effort.
Can you please stop randomly typing in caps, it hurts my eyes. We can read what you're trying to say fine without you basically screaming every other word or sentence.
On September 03 2013 19:09 Irave wrote: Looks like its getting really expensive to buy a spot in the LoL scene.
It's more that Ozone is a top three team probably in the world right now, have a place at the world finals, and have four world class players that still have lots of room to improve.
Being a global brand, buying Ozone before the world finals and making their debut on the biggest e-sport stage of all-time is a great marketing play.
Yes, the advertisement at world's is absolutely nuts and with the quality of MVP Ozone's roster they're going to be relevant in the scene for quite awhile. I really can't see Imp, Mata, Dade, or Dandy slumping anytime soon. More importantly LoL is only going to continue to grow in Korea so the sooner Samsung can get in the better.
On September 03 2013 19:34 Destructicon wrote: I fear the implications of the MVP SC2 squad being bought, I really, really hope that only the LoL team is acquired by Samsung. It would be sad to see most of the SC2 squad of Samsung and MVP culled and probably some players retire if Samsung acquires it.
Ozone is MVP's biggest team right now. In terms of popularity, bringing in fans, and helping them to get sponsors. If MVP is willing to sell Ozone they might as well make a deal to cash out on all of their teams especially since Samsung likely will want to pick up MVP Blue so that Ozone can keep their practice partners. But who knows, maybe they'll only part ways with Ozone and retain the rest of their teams.
Even though I really really like MVP, I would love to see KHAN getting a Dota team and buying Ozone. Not sure about the SC2 team though.. meh. We'll what happens.
On September 04 2013 03:03 babylon wrote: Why doesn't Samsung just sponsor MVP ...?
Because if they do that players will be wearing a MVP jersey, not a SAMSUNG jersey. (Which is NOT what Sam. wants) Wearing Samsung jerseys is pretty much a walking advertisement for their brand. Which considering LoL is a global game, having a walking advertisement globally isn't a bad idea.
On September 04 2013 03:03 babylon wrote: Why doesn't Samsung just sponsor MVP ...?
Because if they do that players will be wearing a MVP jersey, not a SAMSUNG jersey. (Which is NOT what Sam. wants) Wearing Samsung jerseys is pretty much a walking advertisement for their brand. Which considering LoL is a global game, having a walking advertisement globally isn't a bad idea.
To add to this, Samsung is going to pay 300-500k+salary for the players, in return for getting global advertising on a targeted demographic(this is really big). You reach a demographic of several million 15-30 year old males(probably comprising 80+% of the total market for LoL esports), who generally have access to disposable income. Compared to what it would cost to run advertisements for the same level of exposure, this is really, really cheap.
I mean they could pay MVP like 100k to become a title sponsor or whatever, and get a badge on the chest of every player. Or they could spend more(still not that much in the grand scheme of things), and just own the team.
On September 04 2013 03:03 babylon wrote: Why doesn't Samsung just sponsor MVP ...?
Because if they do that players will be wearing a MVP jersey, not a SAMSUNG jersey. (Which is NOT what Sam. wants) Wearing Samsung jerseys is pretty much a walking advertisement for their brand. Which considering LoL is a global game, having a walking advertisement globally isn't a bad idea.
To add to this, Samsung is going to pay 300-500k+salary for the players, in return for getting global advertising on a targeted demographic(this is really big). You reach a demographic of several million 15-30 year old males(probably comprising 80+% of the total market for LoL esports), who generally have access to disposable income. Compared to what it would cost to run advertisements for the same level of exposure, this is really, really cheap.
I mean they could pay MVP like 100k to become a title sponsor or whatever, and get a badge on the chest of every player. Or they could spend more(still not that much in the grand scheme of things), and just own the team.
This is very true, the amounts of money being discussed are almost literally pocket change for a company like Samsung.
Samsung shouldnt waste money in the SC2 team, they already have one and they even should close it because SC2 aint near the exposure and publicity LoL has. They could save that money and buy the 2nd MVP LoL Team (MVP Blue).
The Dota 2 team should be a good adquisition, but first they should get the LoL teams.
On September 04 2013 06:25 Liman wrote: I think they make bulldozers too :D
They develop weapon technology, surveillance, produce ships, provide insurance policy and a ton of other stuff.
Asian groups do everything.
I am a bit suprised its only 500k considering that not only can they appeal to the Korean demographic but also to the foreigner one, which is different from the other Kespa teams.
On September 04 2013 00:01 Martijn wrote: Samsung turned WCG into an esports event centering around cellphone games.
Let me just state for the record that I'm slightly skeptical this is in the teams best interests. They will suck what the soul out of it and trade it in for app sales ;p
Ummm.
Samsung has been sponsoring WCG for 13 years. How many WCG's have been mobile focused?
That's right, 0.
Clearly haven't been paying attention to WCG the last few years.
Find me a WCG main event where the major PC titles aren't there.
WCG has mobile games BUT NOT as focused as what you think. Being a WCG follower since day 1, I DONT AGREE on the idea/statement that... "...WCG bad been mobile focused." There were NO such thing.
I don't know why you're telling me this, that's what I was telling them.
The whole 'WCG went mobile' was a leaked internal email and even if that email was true, it never actually happened other than promotional titles. But you know, most people just listen to eSports shows and don't actually watch the events so don't know. The last WCG wasn't that bad of an event even.
You're looking in the completely wrong place. WCG for proper titles has gotten progressively smaller. Previously, national teams were guaranteed to receive sponsorship for a certain number of flights from the regional Samsung branch. How many players went depended on the regional Samsung branch.
These days for proper pc titles, someone running a national team has to 1. pay for the wcg license for the players 2. find their own sponsors for flights. These sponsors can't compete with Samsung even though Samsung in most countries sponsors nothing anymore. Yet for their ridiculous mobile phone titles, they'll sponsor flights.
You might look at their games list and be all "ah but look, there's still some pc titles there", but they've been progressively scaling it down for years now.
On September 04 2013 06:25 Liman wrote: I think they make bulldozers too :D
They develop weapon technology, surveillance, produce ships, provide insurance policy and a ton of other stuff.
Asian groups do everything.
I am a bit suprised its only 500k considering that not only can they appeal to the Korean demographic but also to the foreigner one, which is different from the other Kespa teams.
I never understood why koreans have so many conglomerates.
On September 03 2013 19:54 UmberBane wrote: I don't know, 100k per player isn't bad. Seems like a 1 year salary per player being paid straight up (according to rough ballpark figures from Chobra's grilled) solely for the transfer. Should be a very good deal for Samsung with big ROI.
500k upfront to MVP + 2013 salary for the players after purchase. This could easily cost Samsung close to 1 million dollars.
It's a pretty damn good ROI. MVP Ozone is already into world championships, they've already got big name stars in Dade/Imp/Mata and they're a top 3 KR, top 5 world team.
In return they get a couple million views at worlds, with Ozone likely to finish top 4 and huge exposure to a young demographic (15-29) that has a good amount of disposable income.
It's much cheaper than advertising in almost any other medium to a similar audience.
On September 04 2013 06:25 Liman wrote: I think they make bulldozers too :D
They develop weapon technology, surveillance, produce ships, provide insurance policy and a ton of other stuff.
Asian groups do everything.
I am a bit suprised its only 500k considering that not only can they appeal to the Korean demographic but also to the foreigner one, which is different from the other Kespa teams.
I never understood why koreans have so many conglomerates.
Vertical integration means you can build stuff cheaper than people who aren't as large. Example. Samsung makes TVs. The microprocessors inside, the circuit boards, the power supply, the LCD panel etc. are all made by Samsung. Pick any smaller manufacturer and you have to buy the panel from one manufacturer, electronics from another and there are middleman profits everywhere. Cut out all the middlemen and you can undercut competitors or be more profitable than your competitors.
PART OF OSEN ARTICLE LOL은 최근 한국e스포츠 뿐만 아니라 한국게임 시장을 사실상 장악한 인기 게임. 58주째 1위를 차지하며 PC방 점유율 40%를 넘기고 있다. 9월 1일 기준으로 2위 인기게임 피파온라인3(10.25%)에 4배 가량 앞서는 수치로 경쟁작인 스타크래프트2가 0.66%에 불과한 것을 고려하면 파급력이 어마어마 하다.
Not only it is popular in recent Korean Esports, LoL has literally took over whole Korean gaming market. LoL has been ranked 1st consecutively for 58th weeks and has 40% PCBang share (meaning on average, 40% of the people in Korean Internet Cafe play LoL). ... skipping part about 2nd ranked FIFA ONLINE HAVING 10.25% ... Its competitor game called Starcraft 2 has 0.66%...
Do something blizzard....
I love sc 2...if korean league dies, i quit sc 2 gg
On September 04 2013 06:25 Liman wrote: I think they make bulldozers too :D
They develop weapon technology, surveillance, produce ships, provide insurance policy and a ton of other stuff.
Asian groups do everything.
I am a bit suprised its only 500k considering that not only can they appeal to the Korean demographic but also to the foreigner one, which is different from the other Kespa teams.
I never understood why koreans have so many conglomerates.
See Lmui, but also as part of South Korea's growth development since the Korean War, the government worked with and sponsored the development of the chaebols, which has embedded the existence of these conglomerates as integral parts of the South Korean economy. They're less prominent now after the economic/financial crisis in the late 90s as a result of the structural problems of such a system, but there you go.
Or a quick wiki link, if you don't want to look for the academic literature on the subject.
Not even surprised by this. With the way LoL is looking, I bet more prestigious sponsors will come soon. The scene is looking to be even bigger than BW back in the day.
On September 04 2013 06:25 Liman wrote: I think they make bulldozers too :D
They develop weapon technology, surveillance, produce ships, provide insurance policy and a ton of other stuff.
Asian groups do everything.
I am a bit suprised its only 500k considering that not only can they appeal to the Korean demographic but also to the foreigner one, which is different from the other Kespa teams.
I never understood why koreans have so many conglomerates.
Vertical integration means you can build stuff cheaper than people who aren't as large. Example. Samsung makes TVs. The microprocessors inside, the circuit boards, the power supply, the LCD panel etc. are all made by Samsung. Pick any smaller manufacturer and you have to buy the panel from one manufacturer, electronics from another and there are middleman profits everywhere. Cut out all the middlemen and you can undercut competitors or be more profitable than your competitors.
But, also stuff like CJ, where they own anything from grocery stores to electronics companies. I guess its a culture thing. Conglomerates exist in America, but they're not quite as pervasive in society.
On September 04 2013 06:25 Liman wrote: I think they make bulldozers too :D
They develop weapon technology, surveillance, produce ships, provide insurance policy and a ton of other stuff.
Asian groups do everything.
I am a bit suprised its only 500k considering that not only can they appeal to the Korean demographic but also to the foreigner one, which is different from the other Kespa teams.
I never understood why koreans have so many conglomerates.
See Lmui, but also as part of South Korea's growth development since the Korean War, the government worked with and sponsored the development of the chaebols, which has embedded the existence of these conglomerates as integral parts of the South Korean economy. They're less prominent now after the economic/financial crisis in the late 90s as a result of the structural problems of such a system, but there you go.
Or a quick wiki link, if you don't want to look for the academic literature on the subject.
I'm no Chexx, but I spent about a year studying S.Korea at Berkeley.
Essentially, post WWII/Japanese colonialisation and the Korean War, Korea's economy was pretty shit. The S. Korean government essentially backed and subsidized a few select companies (the chaebols), which epitomized the "too big to fail" ideology, in order to grow and industrialize S. Korea's economy (it was pretty rural/agricultural prior to this). This resulted in companies like Samsung expanding into multiple markets and producing a large variety of goods and services. It also helped S. Korea's economy absolutely explode making it one of the "Four Asian Tigers".
However, everything went to shit in 1997 with the Asian market crash, which is a whole different issue, but it basically made chaebols and shit bankrupt since they were so incredibly dependent on the government and the Asian economy's continued growth and good health. A few of them disappeared, but the ones that survived are still huge, albeit smaller than they were.
Edit: Oh yea, forgot to mention. Part of the reason why chaebols grew so damn big was because foreign investors were also really interested and excited about the rising Asian economy and lended absurd amounts to select Asian governments and companies, like S. Korea and the chaebols. This also created a bubble, which eventually burst leading to the 1997 crisis. My explanation is very brief and simplifies a ton of stuff; may also be missing/misremembering some things.
From the wiki page, this section is very important:
Chaebol are still largely controlled by their founding families, while keiretsu are controlled by groups of professional managers. Chaebols, furthermore, are more family based and family oriented than their Japanese counterparts, Indeed, a fundamental difference in the concept of "family members" between the Japanese and Koreans exists, The Japanese concept of family consist of two meanings. One is the concept of family based strictly on blood relationship. The other is the concept of the household or clan which is not only based on blood relationship but also on adoption. The Korean concept of family, on the other hand, is strictly based on blood relationship.
It gets underemphasized often, but Asian business is very family-oriented, and chaebols are the epitome of that. It's easy to grow a big conglomerate when you feel obligated to give every family member a C-level position of something, and then you might as well just combine every business owned by your family into one giant one.
Lots of TL people learned about Korea in school I guess lol, real Starcraft power. I wrote a paper about STX (the corporation) ~_~
Chaebol are still largely controlled by their founding families, while keiretsu are controlled by groups of professional managers. Chaebols, furthermore, are more family based and family oriented than their Japanese counterparts, Indeed, a fundamental difference in the concept of "family members" between the Japanese and Koreans exists, The Japanese concept of family consist of two meanings. One is the concept of family based strictly on blood relationship. The other is the concept of the household or clan which is not only based on blood relationship but also on adoption. The Korean concept of family, on the other hand, is strictly based on blood relationship.
It gets underemphasized often, but Asian business is very family-oriented, and chaebols are the epitome of that. It's easy to grow a big conglomerate when you feel obligated to give every family member a C-level position of something, and then you might as well just combine every business owned by your family into one giant one.
Lots of TL people learned about Korea in school I guess lol, real Starcraft power. I wrote a paper about STX (the corporation) ~_~
I guess that's a huge difference between American conglomerates and Chaebols, the nepotism seems like a huge part of it.
On September 03 2013 16:52 GTR wrote: that's a lot of money
It's actually pretty smart.
Ozone has four world class players: Imp, Mata, Dandy and dade. They should be an elite team for a long time. They're also a big favorite to go deep and win the entire tournament along with probably OMG and the Korean Regional winner.
Also, unlike KT, CJ and SKT, Samsung is a global brand. What better way to advertise your product and push yourself to the head of the e-sports world than grabbing a team that has a great shot of winning what is going to be the most watched e-sports event of all-time.
Whoa there Fionn, thats a pretty big dis to the actual first place Korea LoL team: NaJin Sword.
On September 04 2013 15:34 Chexx wrote: I wrote my bachelor thesis about Chaebol. If you guys want I can explain it with more details.
yes lets turn this into a korean history thread please. But seriously, i am quite interested on the topic. Is nepotism considered a part of their culture or do koreans look at it as a bad thing?
On September 04 2013 15:34 Chexx wrote: I wrote my bachelor thesis about Chaebol. If you guys want I can explain it with more details.
yes lets turn this into a korean history thread please. But seriously, i am quite interested on the topic. Is nepotism considered a part of their culture or do koreans look at it as a bad thing?
It's sort of both. All east asian countries has this 'problem'. It's ingrained in our culture, but is a constant media drawn ire on the topic. Though arguably it's more a focus on abuse of power as opposed to giving family members position of power.
On September 04 2013 15:34 Chexx wrote: I wrote my bachelor thesis about Chaebol. If you guys want I can explain it with more details.
yes lets turn this into a korean history thread please. But seriously, i am quite interested on the topic. Is nepotism considered a part of their culture or do koreans look at it as a bad thing?
It's sort of both. All east asian countries has this 'problem'. It's ingrained in our culture, but is a constant media drawn ire on the topic. Though arguably it's more a focus on abuse of power as opposed to giving family members position of power.
In Japan, it's a mix of skepticism and admiration for them. You're a little mad because one family hogs all the money, but at the same time admire and envy them for their success. No one really does anything though, because they don't consider it a huuuuuuge problem. The only entity that actually did something to them was the US Military under MacArthur.
On September 04 2013 15:34 Chexx wrote: I wrote my bachelor thesis about Chaebol. If you guys want I can explain it with more details.
yes lets turn this into a korean history thread please. But seriously, i am quite interested on the topic. Is nepotism considered a part of their culture or do koreans look at it as a bad thing?
It's sort of both. All east asian countries has this 'problem'. It's ingrained in our culture, but is a constant media drawn ire on the topic. Though arguably it's more a focus on abuse of power as opposed to giving family members position of power.
In Japan, it's a mix of skepticism and admiration for them. You're a little mad because one family hogs all the money, but at the same time admire and envy them for their success. No one really does anything though, because they don't consider it a huuuuuuge problem. The only entity that actually did something to them was the US Military under MacArthur.
On September 07 2013 11:03 TommyP wrote: Don't know how I feel. I'm going to miss MVP so much ;(
I mean, if the coaches stay the same they're still MVP, just with a different name. And now the players will actually be making a salary! You should be happy.
No, it's just the League teams. The old SC2 squad is just being renamed to accommodate the changes in the team. and most likely that one League coach that they have (forgot his name) will be moving over. The head coach and Dota coach will stay with MVP.
No, it's just the League teams. The old SC2 squad is just being renamed to accommodate the changes in the team. and most likely that one League coach that they have (forgot his name) will be moving over. The head coach and Dota coach will stay with MVP.
eh? MVP SC2 changes name to Samsung Khan but they arent bought by Samsung? kinda confusing
On September 07 2013 11:03 TommyP wrote: Don't know how I feel. I'm going to miss MVP so much ;(
I mean, if the coaches stay the same they're still MVP, just with a different name. And now the players will actually be making a salary! You should be happy.
Oh ok Dodgin thanks for the clarification. Still it's going to be weird.
No, it's just the League teams. The old SC2 squad is just being renamed to accommodate the changes in the team. and most likely that one League coach that they have (forgot his name) will be moving over. The head coach and Dota coach will stay with MVP.
eh? MVP SC2 changes name to Samsung Khan but they arent bought by Samsung? kinda confusing
No >_> Samsung KHAN (Samsung's Starcraft team) is changing name to Samsung Galaxy KHAN. That's it. No relation and no change to the MVP Starcraft team.
No, it's just the League teams. The old SC2 squad is just being renamed to accommodate the changes in the team. and most likely that one League coach that they have (forgot his name) will be moving over. The head coach and Dota coach will stay with MVP.
eh? MVP SC2 changes name to Samsung Khan but they arent bought by Samsung? kinda confusing
No >_> Samsung KHAN (Samsung's Starcraft team) is changing name to Samsung Galaxy KHAN. That's it. No relation and no change to the MVP Starcraft team.
No, it's just the League teams. The old SC2 squad is just being renamed to accommodate the changes in the team. and most likely that one League coach that they have (forgot his name) will be moving over. The head coach and Dota coach will stay with MVP.
eh? MVP SC2 changes name to Samsung Khan but they arent bought by Samsung? kinda confusing
No, it's just the League teams. The old SC2 squad is just being renamed to accommodate the changes in the team. and most likely that one League coach that they have (forgot his name) will be moving over. The head coach and Dota coach will stay with MVP.
eh? MVP SC2 changes name to Samsung Khan but they arent bought by Samsung? kinda confusing
Oh, well if an actual translator says the news report says they've been picked up then I guess they have, or is the news report unclear on that aspect?
Yeah, these news articles are pretty vague. They just say "the starcraft 2 team" without ever specifying anything more than that. No actual mention of Samsung acquiring MVP SC2 team though.
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But tbh being a bw KT fan doesn't make me a LoL KT fan automatically :D
