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[PSA]: Challenging the status quo...
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3319 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 00:51:58
August 24 2013 00:47 GMT
#761
On August 24 2013 09:31 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 09:10 TheYango wrote:
On August 24 2013 08:15 Numy wrote:
I don't really think living together and playing together is that good of an idea. My ideal setup would be a typical work place. You live where ever then go to work(In this case the play with the pcs), do your training for the day then either stay or go back home. Means you get your personal space and still get the dynamic of all playing together. The current way people set it up just screams for poor living conditions and conflict. Living with friends is completely different to just being friends which people don't seem to grasp.

This so much.

I feel like the "gaming house" model was copied out of Korea, when it only came out of Korea for the sake of being economical, not because it was the most conducive to improvement.


I think most of the NA teams thought that they could just get a house together and their problems would magically disappear without working on them. It's not really copied out of Korea, as these teams have no managers or coaches to help with their life style choices. The coaches/managers in other countries care for both mental and physical health of their players. Overall, they probably didn't think it fully through, but it's not the worst idea. It's just that these NA teams are/were really young, and are still figuring some of these things out. After all, there are teams that seem to work well in the environment even without the house/mansion. C9 as an example seem to live in a small apartment together, and their results are far from bad.


I think it also stems from the fact that Starcraft being a solo game you couldnt be too mad at one of your teammates for doing bad (besides teamleagues but I think he could be replaced(?)). Your teammates are there to help you and you to help them, and if they are doing bad they arent bringing you down.

Also have to agree with previous posts, one thing is to live together for 3 weeks bootcamping and you can focus on the game and vent after the tour is over (see gambit or Dota2 TI western teams model), other is living 40+ weeks a year with your coworkers (and in TSM case, your boss). I agree that a model where they get a "workplace" to train and everyone lives by themselves is much more western-y.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 01:07:34
August 24 2013 00:59 GMT
#762
When you make a bunch of people who rage in solo queue live together, not amount of managing will make it work.

Also, when you are the leader of a team, you just can't lash out at teammates no matter what, and obviously not on stream. Americans take criticism badly enough already.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 01:04:09
August 24 2013 00:59 GMT
#763
I am now uploading a movie with the whole discussion and what becomes for the rage part of Dyrus... much respect for dyrus to keep his head cool for that time.


UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 24 2013 01:02 GMT
#764
well dont post it here plz -_-
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
August 24 2013 01:06 GMT
#765
neo already said don't post the drama stuff here.... post it on reddit if anything and have fun there with the comments
Badboyrune
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2247 Posts
August 24 2013 01:07 GMT
#766
I think the whole regi/dyrus drama was just a show that was scripted and acted out for more gamecrib hype.

I'm actually surprised though that no modern esports teams have done what counter-strike teams did back in the day. They got themselves sponsorships with local net cafes that basically gave them their own room with computers in the cafe and let them play from there. Team gets a nice place to practice and the cafe gets a lot of exposure, and after the work day is over team members go home to their own homes.

I guess it would be hard on the players if they don't recieve a high enough salary from playing that you afford your own place.

I'm also surprised the idea of managers/coaches didn't carry over to western team houses. They seem like an integral part of Korean houses. Having no coach can probably work out fine with the right people, but I imagine that most people would almost require one to be able to perform optimally.
"If yellow does start SC2, I should start handsomenerd diaper busniess and become a rich man" - John the Translator
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
August 24 2013 01:07 GMT
#767
So do I start a new thread for this TSM drama discussion or does someone else want to do it? I'd rather not just sweep it under the rug when so many people here are interested in it.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
August 24 2013 01:15 GMT
#768
On August 24 2013 10:06 Shelke14 wrote:
neo already said don't post the drama stuff here.... post it on reddit if anything and have fun there with the comments


I dont want to start a discussion but i just wanna inform you guys about what happened before the rage part.
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
August 24 2013 01:15 GMT
#769
On August 24 2013 10:07 TheLink wrote:
So do I start a new thread for this TSM drama discussion or does someone else want to do it? I'd rather not just sweep it under the rug when so many people here are interested in it.

whats the point of that, let me summarize the thread for you: omg regi is this, regi is that, blablabla, flame more and cry about the rest of the team being bullied. You dont have to thank me.
Chun-li since ST
niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
August 24 2013 01:20 GMT
#770
On August 24 2013 09:39 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
if 4 members of a team/organization leave together, does those four member (which is the majority) keep the 'seed' in LCS or does the organization keep the LCS place?


Could someone answer this question,
this is very crucial
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
August 24 2013 01:23 GMT
#771
On August 24 2013 10:20 niukasu1990 wrote:
Could someone answer this question,
this is very crucial


Not 100% sure but considering Moscow 5 / Gambit Gaming, I would say it's the players.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
August 24 2013 01:25 GMT
#772
On August 24 2013 10:20 niukasu1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 09:39 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
if 4 members of a team/organization leave together, does those four member (which is the majority) keep the 'seed' in LCS or does the organization keep the LCS place?


Could someone answer this question,
this is very crucial

I believe there are two kind of contracts Riot signs at the start of LCS. You can have a organisational contract and a 5man individual contract.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 24 2013 01:26 GMT
#773
When CW's roster went to NiP, NiP received the seed, so it goes with the players, not the organisation.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-24 01:36:18
August 24 2013 01:30 GMT
#774
I think you need 3? original members to retain the seed.

I think that strikes a nice balance because you're unlikely to need to replace more than 2 people in a season(if you do you've got bigger problems)

Also I love lux. Such a fun champion to play.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
August 24 2013 01:42 GMT
#775
On August 24 2013 10:30 Amui wrote:
Also I love lux. Such a fun champion to play.


Mejai's Lux is the bane of my existance. >_<
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 24 2013 01:46 GMT
#776
On August 24 2013 06:37 onlywonderboy wrote:
Regi might be more of a problem for TSM than Saint is for Curse.

Edit: Or maybe just as bad. I mean people give Saint shit for being a toxic teammate but at this point Regi doesn't seem much better.

Supposedly saints been getting better about it. And it's almost been a month since he's last missed smite.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 24 2013 01:51 GMT
#777
Well, looks like I'll have to find less than legitimate OGN vods tonight...
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
August 24 2013 01:55 GMT
#778
On August 24 2013 09:59 ExoFun wrote:
I am now uploading a movie with the whole discussion and what becomes for the rage part of Dyrus... much respect for dyrus to keep his head cool for that time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3YQshR0B5Q


wow... reginald is a disgusting human being. no wonder they've been performing so poorly lately..
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
August 24 2013 02:06 GMT
#779
Lol, shake on Husky's new league vid. How late am I on this?
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
August 24 2013 02:07 GMT
#780
bring the drama talk to the offtopic general

Dyrus's explosive anger is scary :3
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