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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On August 16 2013 23:59 The_Unseen wrote: And deny the whole rest of your team any jungler presence, yeah great 1v2 bot yo, who needs a ranged carry when you have akali (or you could run a carry solo mid) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:02 PrinceXizor wrote: If you are playing Shyvana top you shouldn't have many issues, she can out splitpush anyone and really can't be killed in any 1v1. She also can eat up so much of the enemy teams focus with only Cowl + Sunfire + boots, that small combo alone puts her into near unkillable status with all the free resists she gets. I will agree Shy top is a far superior option to jungle right now (in my opinion, of course), as long as you don't encounter anyone who can reliably harass you at a range and/or disengage well. I've had dragonladies absolutely stomp me as Darius, but then again as Timmo I laugh at her puny attempts to fight me. Unless you can convince your team to let you go splitpush jungler, in which case it's pretty decent. Just gotta get to that point, though, and I don't think her early game as a jungler is anywhere near good enough to do that reliably. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:14 mordek wrote: Has anyone verified if PayPal direct deposit does the trick? I don't think anybody's gotten their card yet. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:10 Requizen wrote: I will agree Shy top is a far superior option to jungle right now (in my opinion, of course), as long as you don't encounter anyone who can reliably harass you at a range and/or disengage well. I've had dragonladies absolutely stomp me as Darius, but then again as Timmo I laugh at her puny attempts to fight me. Against teemo you really should just be maxing flame breathe and clearing much faster than him. there honestly isn't anything he can do to win the lane against shyvana if shyvana doesn't go chasing teemo around in circles. It becomes a stalemate in which one side can clear much better than the other, and one side becomes much scarier sooner. I can't think of a matchup shyvana can't at least go even and accept the farm in. maybe ryze? but i dunno how much the range nerfs would affect that. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:16 Gahlo wrote: I don't think anybody's gotten their card yet. I saw people talking about getting RP for signing up, didn't know if the 10k for direct deposit would also be as instant. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:16 PrinceXizor wrote: Against teemo you really should just be maxing flame breathe and clearing much faster than him. there honestly isn't anything he can do to win the lane against shyvana if shyvana doesn't go chasing teemo around in circles. It becomes a stalemate in which one side can clear much better than the other, and one side becomes much scarier sooner. I can't think of a matchup shyvana can't at least go even and accept the farm in. maybe ryze? but i dunno how much the range nerfs would affect that. Shy wouldn't really "win" a lane against Teemo with those tactics unless he was just ignoring her. If Shy is just farming and trying to push, I'm going to auto the shit out of her and force her out of lane. If she turns, I can Move Quick or just stand and blind her. There should be no point where she can E a wave and then auto down all the mobs before I chunk down half her healthbar. If she's just throwing out E's to try and push from a range while hiding under tower, I'll just auto down the wave and push harder than her. Edit: not to mention once Teemo hits 6 (assuming AP, which is the better build imo) shrooms will push harder and faster than she can hope to do safely. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote: Shy wouldn't really "win" a lane against Teemo with those tactics unless he was just ignoring her. If Shy is just farming and trying to push, I'm going to auto the shit out of her and force her out of lane. If she turns, I can Move Quick or just stand and blind her. There should be no point where she can E a wave and then auto down all the mobs before I chunk down half her healthbar. If she's just throwing out E's to try and push from a range while hiding under tower, I'll just auto down the wave and push harder than her. before level 4 shyvana can just use flame breath from range and teemo can't get close without getting hit. 925 range > 500 range after level 4 teemo isn't going to outrun shyvana without maxing move quick which isn't done. Shyvana is one of the safest laners right now. Teemo can't deal much damage to her without putting himself horribly out of position by shoving against a laner who is great at last hitting under tower, or missing tons of last hits and trying to tank creeps. On August 17 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote: Edit: not to mention once Teemo hits 6 (assuming AP, which is the better build imo) shrooms will push harder and faster than she can hope to do safely. I think this is just a lack of knowledge about shyvana. She clears waves very very fast. and teemo using shrooms to clear waves means he has no defense against ganks or shyvana herself. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:27 PrinceXizor wrote: before level 4 shyvana can just use flame breath from range and teemo can't get close without getting hit. 925 range > 500 range after level 4 teemo isn't going to outrun shyvana without maxing move quick which isn't done. Shyvana is one of the safest laners right now. Teemo can't deal much damage to her without putting himself horribly out of position by shoving against a laner who is great at last hitting under tower, or missing tons of last hits and trying to tank creeps. I think this is just a lack of knowledge about shyvana. She clears waves very very fast. and teemo using shrooms to clear waves means he has no defense against ganks or shyvana herself. You're really overestimating how much damage Flame Breath does. It's not going to kill even ranged minions even at max rank (maybe if you proc the mark or something, depends on math). And getting in range to shoot them at ranged minions puts you well within Teemo's threat zone. He's not going to be standing behind his minions, he's going to be standing behind yours and zoning you out. Usually you'd be able to get in range of the melee minions maybe, and then an E will do a fraction of their health. That's not pushing a wave by any means, and if you're trying to last hit with something on a 12/11/10/9/8 second CD, you're going to be really hard pressed to keep up in CS. A single shroom to push a lane still gives Teemo plenty of fighting and kiting power. I get CDR in his build pretty much 100% of the time (whether from Nashor's, Morello's, or DFG), so I always have more Shrooms than I know what to do with. One shroom with a decent AP item will kill ranged minions and put melee and siege minions into last hitting range, while even a max rank E from Shy won't do anything near that. I think this is just a lack of knowledge about Teemo. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
We REALLY need more of these. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:17 mordek wrote: I saw people talking about getting RP for signing up, didn't know if the 10k for direct deposit would also be as instant. You have to get your card before you can set up direct deposit/paypal/whatever. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On August 16 2013 19:43 PrinceXizor wrote: poppy is pretty damn balanced. her role isn't something that is typically filled in LoL, but shes one of the very few who can fill it. Situational champions are good for the game. every champ being useful at any time leads to one of two things: blatent power creep, or homogenized gameplay. In all seriousness if poppy became FOTM in lol I would jump on her banwagon so hard. The only reason her kit is allowed to survive the way it is is because shes not picked often. Similar the way Nasus's wither was keep so strong cause the rest of his abilities were lacking. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On August 16 2013 14:39 cLutZ wrote: Why? Think of the phage users, none of them are good right now. But by changing phage, hopefully they wont make it this awkward item that is unbalancable. When it was ~1200 gold, it was so cost efficient that you were basically buying 2 doran blades + a slow (anything that approaches doran blades in cost efficiency is really damn efficient) so if you were winning lane you would use the slowproc to crush it. Now it's too expensive for that, but the item is so inefficient that you can't really buy it. If they move it to a MS buff that isnt RNG based then hopefully it can find a happy place where it isnt so retarded to play against at the 6 minute mark when you're a little behind? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:40 Requizen wrote: Then teemo gets hit along with the minions and loses a war of attrition since he can't attack you back without aggroing all your minions.You're really overestimating how much damage Flame Breath does. It's not going to kill even ranged minions even at max rank (maybe if you proc the mark or something, depends on math). And getting in range to shoot them at ranged minions puts you well within Teemo's threat zone. He's not going to be standing behind his minions, he's going to be standing behind yours and zoning you out. Usually you'd be able to get in range of the melee minions maybe, and then an E will do a fraction of their health. That's not pushing a wave by any means, and if you're trying to last hit with something on a 12/11/10/9/8 second CD, you're going to be really hard pressed to keep up in CS. A single shroom to push a lane still gives Teemo plenty of fighting and kiting power. I get CDR in his build pretty much 100% of the time (whether from Nashor's, Morello's, or DFG), so I always have more Shrooms than I know what to do with. One shroom with a decent AP item will kill ranged minions and put melee and siege minions into last hitting range, while even a max rank E from Shy won't do anything near that. I think this is just a lack of knowledge about Teemo. So.. somehow using flame breath won't deal nearly enough damage to last hit with or even push a lane at all, but 1 shroom does enough with 200 base damage? Its not much stronger than flame breath even from 6 until 9 where it actually does less damage. you are trying to math things out with more items than you are going to have during laning. Shyvana should be having an easy time just farming and never dying or being bullied by teemo. certainly she's also far better at pushing an empty lane, as well as team fighting. and if teemo is ever ganked by a jungler hes going to die if he's trying to play anything but safely under tower. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
Cause I see alot of people talking about it like it's going to be a melee bruiser item when as I see it it's going to make stuff like corki go vroom vroom and kitting even harder | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:54 SagaZ wrote: Is the phage/triforce mvmt speed buff something melee only? Cause I see alot of people talking about it like it's going to be a melee bruiser item when as I see it it's going to make stuff like corki go vroom vroom and kitting even harder as its written, its not melee only. but i mean, expectation vs reality is something riot struggles with a lot. | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On August 17 2013 00:45 Seuss wrote: You have to get your card before you can set up direct deposit/paypal/whatever. I shouldn't have doubted you. I know you'll faithfully report as soon as you try. | ||
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