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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 15:10:23
August 16 2013 15:09 GMT
#5281
On August 16 2013 23:59 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 23:55 Tooplark wrote:
Try running akali + support top lane (my fave is fiddle). Bully the lane, win jungle ganks, towerdive all day after 6, and either can roam mid if there's nothing better to do.


Oh oh oh also the firerate of lucian's ult is apparently going to be determined by his attackspeed at the time of cast. NIDALEE NUNU WARWICK SIVIR LUCIAN GGTOPTIER TEAM


And deny the whole rest of your team any jungler presence, yeah great


1v2 bot yo, who needs a ranged carry when you have akali
(or you could run a carry solo mid)
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 16 2013 15:10 GMT
#5282
On August 17 2013 00:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
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On August 16 2013 23:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:26 kainzero wrote:
After Shyvana was getting play in LPL I decided to try her out yesterday.

Oh man, she's so fun. E, AA, Q is awesome burst. Sadly I think she still needs help, like you need a Janna or a Lulu or something.

Alternatively, if there's a Janna or a Lulu on the enemy team, cry.

If you are playing Shyvana top you shouldn't have many issues, she can out splitpush anyone and really can't be killed in any 1v1. She also can eat up so much of the enemy teams focus with only Cowl + Sunfire + boots, that small combo alone puts her into near unkillable status with all the free resists she gets.

I will agree Shy top is a far superior option to jungle right now (in my opinion, of course), as long as you don't encounter anyone who can reliably harass you at a range and/or disengage well. I've had dragonladies absolutely stomp me as Darius, but then again as Timmo I laugh at her puny attempts to fight me.

Unless you can convince your team to let you go splitpush jungler, in which case it's pretty decent. Just gotta get to that point, though, and I don't think her early game as a jungler is anywhere near good enough to do that reliably.
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 16 2013 15:14 GMT
#5283
Has anyone verified if PayPal direct deposit does the trick?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
August 16 2013 15:16 GMT
#5284
On August 17 2013 00:14 mordek wrote:
Has anyone verified if PayPal direct deposit does the trick?

I don't think anybody's gotten their card yet.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 16 2013 15:16 GMT
#5285
On August 17 2013 00:10 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 00:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:26 kainzero wrote:
After Shyvana was getting play in LPL I decided to try her out yesterday.

Oh man, she's so fun. E, AA, Q is awesome burst. Sadly I think she still needs help, like you need a Janna or a Lulu or something.

Alternatively, if there's a Janna or a Lulu on the enemy team, cry.

If you are playing Shyvana top you shouldn't have many issues, she can out splitpush anyone and really can't be killed in any 1v1. She also can eat up so much of the enemy teams focus with only Cowl + Sunfire + boots, that small combo alone puts her into near unkillable status with all the free resists she gets.

I will agree Shy top is a far superior option to jungle right now (in my opinion, of course), as long as you don't encounter anyone who can reliably harass you at a range and/or disengage well. I've had dragonladies absolutely stomp me as Darius, but then again as Timmo I laugh at her puny attempts to fight me.

Against teemo you really should just be maxing flame breathe and clearing much faster than him. there honestly isn't anything he can do to win the lane against shyvana if shyvana doesn't go chasing teemo around in circles. It becomes a stalemate in which one side can clear much better than the other, and one side becomes much scarier sooner. I can't think of a matchup shyvana can't at least go even and accept the farm in. maybe ryze? but i dunno how much the range nerfs would affect that.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 16 2013 15:17 GMT
#5286
On August 17 2013 00:16 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 00:14 mordek wrote:
Has anyone verified if PayPal direct deposit does the trick?

I don't think anybody's gotten their card yet.

I saw people talking about getting RP for signing up, didn't know if the 10k for direct deposit would also be as instant.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 15:24:17
August 16 2013 15:21 GMT
#5287
On August 17 2013 00:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 00:10 Requizen wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:26 kainzero wrote:
After Shyvana was getting play in LPL I decided to try her out yesterday.

Oh man, she's so fun. E, AA, Q is awesome burst. Sadly I think she still needs help, like you need a Janna or a Lulu or something.

Alternatively, if there's a Janna or a Lulu on the enemy team, cry.

If you are playing Shyvana top you shouldn't have many issues, she can out splitpush anyone and really can't be killed in any 1v1. She also can eat up so much of the enemy teams focus with only Cowl + Sunfire + boots, that small combo alone puts her into near unkillable status with all the free resists she gets.

I will agree Shy top is a far superior option to jungle right now (in my opinion, of course), as long as you don't encounter anyone who can reliably harass you at a range and/or disengage well. I've had dragonladies absolutely stomp me as Darius, but then again as Timmo I laugh at her puny attempts to fight me.

Against teemo you really should just be maxing flame breathe and clearing much faster than him. there honestly isn't anything he can do to win the lane against shyvana if shyvana doesn't go chasing teemo around in circles. It becomes a stalemate in which one side can clear much better than the other, and one side becomes much scarier sooner. I can't think of a matchup shyvana can't at least go even and accept the farm in. maybe ryze? but i dunno how much the range nerfs would affect that.

Shy wouldn't really "win" a lane against Teemo with those tactics unless he was just ignoring her. If Shy is just farming and trying to push, I'm going to auto the shit out of her and force her out of lane. If she turns, I can Move Quick or just stand and blind her. There should be no point where she can E a wave and then auto down all the mobs before I chunk down half her healthbar. If she's just throwing out E's to try and push from a range while hiding under tower, I'll just auto down the wave and push harder than her.

Edit: not to mention once Teemo hits 6 (assuming AP, which is the better build imo) shrooms will push harder and faster than she can hope to do safely.
It's your boy Guzma!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 15:28:28
August 16 2013 15:27 GMT
#5288
On August 17 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 00:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:10 Requizen wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:26 kainzero wrote:
After Shyvana was getting play in LPL I decided to try her out yesterday.

Oh man, she's so fun. E, AA, Q is awesome burst. Sadly I think she still needs help, like you need a Janna or a Lulu or something.

Alternatively, if there's a Janna or a Lulu on the enemy team, cry.

If you are playing Shyvana top you shouldn't have many issues, she can out splitpush anyone and really can't be killed in any 1v1. She also can eat up so much of the enemy teams focus with only Cowl + Sunfire + boots, that small combo alone puts her into near unkillable status with all the free resists she gets.

I will agree Shy top is a far superior option to jungle right now (in my opinion, of course), as long as you don't encounter anyone who can reliably harass you at a range and/or disengage well. I've had dragonladies absolutely stomp me as Darius, but then again as Timmo I laugh at her puny attempts to fight me.

Against teemo you really should just be maxing flame breathe and clearing much faster than him. there honestly isn't anything he can do to win the lane against shyvana if shyvana doesn't go chasing teemo around in circles. It becomes a stalemate in which one side can clear much better than the other, and one side becomes much scarier sooner. I can't think of a matchup shyvana can't at least go even and accept the farm in. maybe ryze? but i dunno how much the range nerfs would affect that.

Shy wouldn't really "win" a lane against Teemo with those tactics unless he was just ignoring her. If Shy is just farming and trying to push, I'm going to auto the shit out of her and force her out of lane. If she turns, I can Move Quick or just stand and blind her. There should be no point where she can E a wave and then auto down all the mobs before I chunk down half her healthbar. If she's just throwing out E's to try and push from a range while hiding under tower, I'll just auto down the wave and push harder than her.

before level 4 shyvana can just use flame breath from range and teemo can't get close without getting hit. 925 range > 500 range after level 4 teemo isn't going to outrun shyvana without maxing move quick which isn't done. Shyvana is one of the safest laners right now. Teemo can't deal much damage to her without putting himself horribly out of position by shoving against a laner who is great at last hitting under tower, or missing tons of last hits and trying to tank creeps.

On August 17 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote:
Edit: not to mention once Teemo hits 6 (assuming AP, which is the better build imo) shrooms will push harder and faster than she can hope to do safely.

I think this is just a lack of knowledge about shyvana. She clears waves very very fast. and teemo using shrooms to clear waves means he has no defense against ganks or shyvana herself.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 16 2013 15:40 GMT
#5289
On August 17 2013 00:27 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:10 Requizen wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:02 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:33 Requizen wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:26 kainzero wrote:
After Shyvana was getting play in LPL I decided to try her out yesterday.

Oh man, she's so fun. E, AA, Q is awesome burst. Sadly I think she still needs help, like you need a Janna or a Lulu or something.

Alternatively, if there's a Janna or a Lulu on the enemy team, cry.

If you are playing Shyvana top you shouldn't have many issues, she can out splitpush anyone and really can't be killed in any 1v1. She also can eat up so much of the enemy teams focus with only Cowl + Sunfire + boots, that small combo alone puts her into near unkillable status with all the free resists she gets.

I will agree Shy top is a far superior option to jungle right now (in my opinion, of course), as long as you don't encounter anyone who can reliably harass you at a range and/or disengage well. I've had dragonladies absolutely stomp me as Darius, but then again as Timmo I laugh at her puny attempts to fight me.

Against teemo you really should just be maxing flame breathe and clearing much faster than him. there honestly isn't anything he can do to win the lane against shyvana if shyvana doesn't go chasing teemo around in circles. It becomes a stalemate in which one side can clear much better than the other, and one side becomes much scarier sooner. I can't think of a matchup shyvana can't at least go even and accept the farm in. maybe ryze? but i dunno how much the range nerfs would affect that.

Shy wouldn't really "win" a lane against Teemo with those tactics unless he was just ignoring her. If Shy is just farming and trying to push, I'm going to auto the shit out of her and force her out of lane. If she turns, I can Move Quick or just stand and blind her. There should be no point where she can E a wave and then auto down all the mobs before I chunk down half her healthbar. If she's just throwing out E's to try and push from a range while hiding under tower, I'll just auto down the wave and push harder than her.

before level 4 shyvana can just use flame breath from range and teemo can't get close without getting hit. 925 range > 500 range after level 4 teemo isn't going to outrun shyvana without maxing move quick which isn't done. Shyvana is one of the safest laners right now. Teemo can't deal much damage to her without putting himself horribly out of position by shoving against a laner who is great at last hitting under tower, or missing tons of last hits and trying to tank creeps.

Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 00:21 Requizen wrote:
Edit: not to mention once Teemo hits 6 (assuming AP, which is the better build imo) shrooms will push harder and faster than she can hope to do safely.

I think this is just a lack of knowledge about shyvana. She clears waves very very fast. and teemo using shrooms to clear waves means he has no defense against ganks or shyvana herself.

You're really overestimating how much damage Flame Breath does. It's not going to kill even ranged minions even at max rank (maybe if you proc the mark or something, depends on math). And getting in range to shoot them at ranged minions puts you well within Teemo's threat zone. He's not going to be standing behind his minions, he's going to be standing behind yours and zoning you out.

Usually you'd be able to get in range of the melee minions maybe, and then an E will do a fraction of their health. That's not pushing a wave by any means, and if you're trying to last hit with something on a 12/11/10/9/8 second CD, you're going to be really hard pressed to keep up in CS.

A single shroom to push a lane still gives Teemo plenty of fighting and kiting power. I get CDR in his build pretty much 100% of the time (whether from Nashor's, Morello's, or DFG), so I always have more Shrooms than I know what to do with. One shroom with a decent AP item will kill ranged minions and put melee and siege minions into last hitting range, while even a max rank E from Shy won't do anything near that.

I think this is just a lack of knowledge about Teemo.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 16 2013 15:43 GMT
#5290
Grudgematch.
We REALLY need more of these.
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SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
August 16 2013 15:44 GMT
#5291
Where is the 1v1 guys^??
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 16 2013 15:45 GMT
#5292
On August 17 2013 00:17 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 00:16 Gahlo wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:14 mordek wrote:
Has anyone verified if PayPal direct deposit does the trick?

I don't think anybody's gotten their card yet.

I saw people talking about getting RP for signing up, didn't know if the 10k for direct deposit would also be as instant.


You have to get your card before you can set up direct deposit/paypal/whatever.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
August 16 2013 15:45 GMT
#5293
clearly the only way to settle this
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
August 16 2013 15:46 GMT
#5294
On August 16 2013 19:43 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 19:23 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 16 2013 16:57 mr_tolkien wrote:
Nah, Akali is pretty good at this point, given once she gets enough farm/xp she can rape pretty much anybody from a full screen range.

She's supposed to get trashed 1v1 early on.

Poppy is balanced too, right? For same reason, with your logic. I mean look at zekent. Was diamond in s2 with insane amount of poppy games.

poppy is pretty damn balanced. her role isn't something that is typically filled in LoL, but shes one of the very few who can fill it. Situational champions are good for the game. every champ being useful at any time leads to one of two things: blatent power creep, or homogenized gameplay.

In all seriousness if poppy became FOTM in lol I would jump on her banwagon so hard. The only reason her kit is allowed to survive the way it is is because shes not picked often. Similar the way Nasus's wither was keep so strong cause the rest of his abilities were lacking.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 15:48:52
August 16 2013 15:48 GMT
#5295
On August 16 2013 14:39 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 12:45 Zdrastochye wrote:
On August 16 2013 12:30 cLutZ wrote:
On August 16 2013 12:25 Zdrastochye wrote:
I like giving movespeed more than taking movespeed away, so I approve of the changes. It helps the bearer without negatively impacting the person they're attacking, making it less important on odd man fights and more important in 1v1 situations.


Meh, I think slows are better than ms boosts as a rule, mostly because of how this game calculates them.

Also, IMO, even if Ghost was given the old Surge as a bonus, IMO Exhaust would still be a stronger combat skill for the majority of champs.


No no, I do think slows are better than ms boosts, I like that it's getting a minor nerf.

Why? Think of the phage users, none of them are good right now.

But by changing phage, hopefully they wont make it this awkward item that is unbalancable. When it was ~1200 gold, it was so cost efficient that you were basically buying 2 doran blades + a slow (anything that approaches doran blades in cost efficiency is really damn efficient) so if you were winning lane you would use the slowproc to crush it. Now it's too expensive for that, but the item is so inefficient that you can't really buy it. If they move it to a MS buff that isnt RNG based then hopefully it can find a happy place where it isnt so retarded to play against at the 6 minute mark when you're a little behind?
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 15:50:11
August 16 2013 15:48 GMT
#5296
On August 17 2013 00:40 Requizen wrote:

You're really overestimating how much damage Flame Breath does. It's not going to kill even ranged minions even at max rank (maybe if you proc the mark or something, depends on math). And getting in range to shoot them at ranged minions puts you well within Teemo's threat zone. He's not going to be standing behind his minions, he's going to be standing behind yours and zoning you out.
Then teemo gets hit along with the minions and loses a war of attrition since he can't attack you back without aggroing all your minions.

Usually you'd be able to get in range of the melee minions maybe, and then an E will do a fraction of their health. That's not pushing a wave by any means, and if you're trying to last hit with something on a 12/11/10/9/8 second CD, you're going to be really hard pressed to keep up in CS.

A single shroom to push a lane still gives Teemo plenty of fighting and kiting power. I get CDR in his build pretty much 100% of the time (whether from Nashor's, Morello's, or DFG), so I always have more Shrooms than I know what to do with. One shroom with a decent AP item will kill ranged minions and put melee and siege minions into last hitting range, while even a max rank E from Shy won't do anything near that.

I think this is just a lack of knowledge about Teemo.

So.. somehow using flame breath won't deal nearly enough damage to last hit with or even push a lane at all, but 1 shroom does enough with 200 base damage? Its not much stronger than flame breath even from 6 until 9 where it actually does less damage. you are trying to math things out with more items than you are going to have during laning. Shyvana should be having an easy time just farming and never dying or being bullied by teemo. certainly she's also far better at pushing an empty lane, as well as team fighting. and if teemo is ever ganked by a jungler hes going to die if he's trying to play anything but safely under tower.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
August 16 2013 15:50 GMT
#5297
would new phage be a choice on hec?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
August 16 2013 15:54 GMT
#5298
Is the phage/triforce mvmt speed buff something melee only?
Cause I see alot of people talking about it like it's going to be a melee bruiser item when as I see it it's going to make stuff like corki go vroom vroom and kitting even harder
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 16 2013 15:55 GMT
#5299
On August 17 2013 00:54 SagaZ wrote:
Is the phage/triforce mvmt speed buff something melee only?
Cause I see alot of people talking about it like it's going to be a melee bruiser item when as I see it it's going to make stuff like corki go vroom vroom and kitting even harder

as its written, its not melee only. but i mean, expectation vs reality is something riot struggles with a lot.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 16 2013 15:59 GMT
#5300
On August 17 2013 00:45 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 00:17 mordek wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:16 Gahlo wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:14 mordek wrote:
Has anyone verified if PayPal direct deposit does the trick?

I don't think anybody's gotten their card yet.

I saw people talking about getting RP for signing up, didn't know if the 10k for direct deposit would also be as instant.


You have to get your card before you can set up direct deposit/paypal/whatever.

I shouldn't have doubted you. I know you'll faithfully report as soon as you try.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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