• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:08
CEST 01:08
KST 08:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202530RSL Season 1 - Final Week8[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams1Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster Why doesnt SC2 scene costream tournaments
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame
Brood War
General
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL Corsair Pursuit Micro?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET The Casual Games of the Week Thread BWCL Season 63 Announcement
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 623 users

[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 267

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 265 266 267 268 269 331 Next
No more bad posting
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
August 16 2013 16:33 GMT
#5321
On August 17 2013 01:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:08 xes wrote:
If Req and PX play and stream a Shyv vs Teemo Bo7 1v1 grudgematch I will give the winner $5 in RP

This really needs to happen.
In fact since I'm getting home in a few days I may be able to finally start streaming again---I'd love to stream grudgematches when people have them.

a grudge match of a farm matchup dependent on jungler interaction would be incredibly boring.

Well you can just tailor the win conditions:

Kill or tower are wins
If Shyv gets to 100 CS without being down more than 20 Shyv wins?
Administrator@TL_Zess
| (• ◡•)|八 (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 16 2013 16:34 GMT
#5322
On August 17 2013 01:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 01:09 Requizen wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:48 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 17 2013 00:40 Requizen wrote:

You're really overestimating how much damage Flame Breath does. It's not going to kill even ranged minions even at max rank (maybe if you proc the mark or something, depends on math). And getting in range to shoot them at ranged minions puts you well within Teemo's threat zone. He's not going to be standing behind his minions, he's going to be standing behind yours and zoning you out.
Then teemo gets hit along with the minions and loses a war of attrition since he can't attack you back without aggroing all your minions.

Teemo's Blinding Dart does (approximately) the same amount of damage as Flame Breath baseline at all levels of the skill. Two E-empowered auto attacks do a bit more damage as Flame Breath at all equivalent skill levels. Flame Breath, Blinding Dart, and Toxic Shot all scale off AP, but guess who out of the two of them is going to build AP and MPen? Teemo's standard combo is Auto-Q-Auto, so trading Flame Breath and a couple minion hits (which can be mitigated with brush control) for more than double the damage every time is more than a win in Teemo's favor.

Its actually just never going to happen that you get into auto range and prevent flame breath from hitting the wave. unless you are standing 400 units behind the enemy wave, in which case, you aren't really even going to live until 6. Besides from flame breath actually hitting all 6 minions when you aim it properly, which you already showed you don't know, maxing Q for the trade damage means that your toxic shot is level 1, which is 34 damage or after mitigation about 20. once Shyvana gets a cowl, it does effectively no damage at all.

of course teemo doesn't WANT it to be a farm matchup, but he can't do anything but let it be a farm matchup unless he's vastly better than the shyvana player. He just doesn't have anything to stop shyvana from farming. pretty much no tops do.

Are you starting the game with a Cowl? Your passive and mastery MR is basically nothing for the first few levels, it's going to get negated by Teemo's masteries and runes. By the time you get a big MR item, he'll have Guise at the least. Not to mention that mixed damage is much harder to itemize for.

I think your idea of ranges are a bit off. Her E isn't this giant sniper rifle gatling gun that can hit a minion wave from the other side of the lane and be used every couple seconds, it's a pretty long CD on a moderately ranged, thin line skillshot. You have to be pretty much in your own minion wave to hit the enemy wave, which Teemo is in no way going to let you do.

And as to "not surviving until 6", just lol. You really think a E every 12-10 seconds (based on levels and if you took CDR masteries) is going to out trade mixed damage autos and Blinding Dart? Shy has literally 0 chance to actually put auto damage on Teemo if he has any knowledge about how to move and shoot. If he maxes E, you're going to get chunked every time he decides to put 2+ autos on you (usually more like 3-4 at any given time), if he maxes Q even Flash-Ghost-Ult won't let you put any damage on him because for the 2 seconds you are in melee range, you can't hit him.
It's your boy Guzma!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
August 16 2013 16:38 GMT
#5323
On August 17 2013 01:09 Requizen wrote:
How is Teemo any more susceptible to ganks than Shy? She should never reach him herself (shrooms + move quick + her having 0 CC), she can't assist a gank, and with decent warding and shrooming no jungler should ever get in range outside of really jump heavy guys like Zac E, Jarvan using EQ -> ult, or maybe Hecarim if he can avoid getting slowed. Shy has the same sort of escape (run faster), and maybe blowing her ult to jump away.


Apart from being objectively faster than teemo, far tankier, and having a 1000 range jump on a 1 minute or less CD you mean?

Shrooms are avoidable, movequick doesn't make teemo faster than shyvana, and shyvana has a drag type mechanic as well as dealing 600 damage in burst at level 6.

Teemo doesn't have shrooms pre 6 period, so claiming shrooms as a defense against ganks when teemo is going to be ganked and killed for even attempting to play as aggressive as you are suggesting he should be playing (400 units behind the enemy minion wave, really, that's just outside of tower range at regular equilibrium, which we we won't be at because you said you are going to be shoving the lane against someone who last hits under tower very well. and somehow getting double the cs even though denies aren't in the game?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 16 2013 16:38 GMT
#5324
You guys are crazy, the Death Blossom spider looks so cool. Nothing is as bad as Diana's first skin.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 16 2013 16:39 GMT
#5325
Play it out already. This theorycrafting is annoying.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 16 2013 16:58 GMT
#5326
Take it to PMs at least
Useless wet fish.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 16 2013 16:58 GMT
#5327
On August 17 2013 01:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 01:09 Requizen wrote:
How is Teemo any more susceptible to ganks than Shy? She should never reach him herself (shrooms + move quick + her having 0 CC), she can't assist a gank, and with decent warding and shrooming no jungler should ever get in range outside of really jump heavy guys like Zac E, Jarvan using EQ -> ult, or maybe Hecarim if he can avoid getting slowed. Shy has the same sort of escape (run faster), and maybe blowing her ult to jump away.


Apart from being objectively faster than teemo, far tankier, and having a 1000 range jump on a 1 minute or less CD you mean?

Shrooms are avoidable, movequick doesn't make teemo faster than shyvana, and shyvana has a drag type mechanic as well as dealing 600 damage in burst at level 6.

Teemo doesn't have shrooms pre 6 period, so claiming shrooms as a defense against ganks when teemo is going to be ganked and killed for even attempting to play as aggressive as you are suggesting he should be playing (400 units behind the enemy minion wave, really, that's just outside of tower range at regular equilibrium, which we we won't be at because you said you are going to be shoving the lane against someone who last hits under tower very well. and somehow getting double the cs even though denies aren't in the game?

Once Teemo gets a single point in W (generally around 3-4), he is faster than Shy at all points in time except for the first 1 (maybe 2) second of Burnout (before the decay takes effect). So outside of ulting, the only way Shy catches Teemo is if she is within spitting distance, runs at him, and hits Burnout. And then, for the 2 seconds you are in melee range? Lolblind.

How is Dragon's Descent a 600 damage burst? First, that relies on you landing R (iffy) and then E (slightly more likely), getting him to stand in your W for the duration (decent chance) and then getting an unmitigated auto-Q combo off (LOLBLIND). I guess if the Teemo stands there and lets you? You can't stun him to get him in place or anything, being Shyvana and all.

Even if you land it, unless you hook around him and jump him back towards your tower (unlikely), you're just pushing him towards his own tower, where he'll run to until your burnout wears off, then turn and shoot you repeatedly in the scaly butt.

If Shy goes to auto minions for last hits under tower, she's taking more than half her health in harass. Guaranteed. Which leaves her to E under tower, which gets her... 2 minions per wave? Maybe?

On August 17 2013 01:39 kainzero wrote:
Play it out already. This theorycrafting is annoying.

I'm at work for another 6 hours + Show Spoiler +
and then have models to craft :3


Besides, PX what is your ranking? I know I'm pretty bad, you generally want 2 people of the same caliber skill at the specific champion for this.
It's your boy Guzma!
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
August 16 2013 17:00 GMT
#5328
I dont know if anyone watched state of the game ep 100 last night, but as someone who used to religiously follow this show like 2 years ago, it was great seeing that cast back together. It even got pretty emotional at times, especially towards the end.
Watching all of them praise the LCS model was also pretty cool, even though the amount of basically mod encouraged Dota > LoL in the chat was kind of annoying when the subject was brought up.
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 16 2013 17:06 GMT
#5329
On August 17 2013 01:58 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 01:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:09 Requizen wrote:
How is Teemo any more susceptible to ganks than Shy? She should never reach him herself (shrooms + move quick + her having 0 CC), she can't assist a gank, and with decent warding and shrooming no jungler should ever get in range outside of really jump heavy guys like Zac E, Jarvan using EQ -> ult, or maybe Hecarim if he can avoid getting slowed. Shy has the same sort of escape (run faster), and maybe blowing her ult to jump away.


Apart from being objectively faster than teemo, far tankier, and having a 1000 range jump on a 1 minute or less CD you mean?

Shrooms are avoidable, movequick doesn't make teemo faster than shyvana, and shyvana has a drag type mechanic as well as dealing 600 damage in burst at level 6.

Teemo doesn't have shrooms pre 6 period, so claiming shrooms as a defense against ganks when teemo is going to be ganked and killed for even attempting to play as aggressive as you are suggesting he should be playing (400 units behind the enemy minion wave, really, that's just outside of tower range at regular equilibrium, which we we won't be at because you said you are going to be shoving the lane against someone who last hits under tower very well. and somehow getting double the cs even though denies aren't in the game?

Once Teemo gets a single point in W (generally around 3-4), he is faster than Shy at all points in time except for the first 1 (maybe 2) second of Burnout (before the decay takes effect). So outside of ulting, the only way Shy catches Teemo is if she is within spitting distance, runs at him, and hits Burnout. And then, for the 2 seconds you are in melee range? Lolblind.

How is Dragon's Descent a 600 damage burst? First, that relies on you landing R (iffy) and then E (slightly more likely), getting him to stand in your W for the duration (decent chance) and then getting an unmitigated auto-Q combo off (LOLBLIND). I guess if the Teemo stands there and lets you? You can't stun him to get him in place or anything, being Shyvana and all.

Even if you land it, unless you hook around him and jump him back towards your tower (unlikely), you're just pushing him towards his own tower, where he'll run to until your burnout wears off, then turn and shoot you repeatedly in the scaly butt.

If Shy goes to auto minions for last hits under tower, she's taking more than half her health in harass. Guaranteed. Which leaves her to E under tower, which gets her... 2 minions per wave? Maybe?

Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 01:39 kainzero wrote:
Play it out already. This theorycrafting is annoying.

I'm at work for another 6 hours + Show Spoiler +
and then have models to craft :3


Besides, PX what is your ranking? I know I'm pretty bad, you generally want 2 people of the same caliber skill at the specific champion for this.

It's not about skill, or even about who's right or wrong.
It's for the entertainment of TL as a whole.
And e-peen.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 16 2013 17:08 GMT
#5330
On August 17 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 01:58 Requizen wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:09 Requizen wrote:
How is Teemo any more susceptible to ganks than Shy? She should never reach him herself (shrooms + move quick + her having 0 CC), she can't assist a gank, and with decent warding and shrooming no jungler should ever get in range outside of really jump heavy guys like Zac E, Jarvan using EQ -> ult, or maybe Hecarim if he can avoid getting slowed. Shy has the same sort of escape (run faster), and maybe blowing her ult to jump away.


Apart from being objectively faster than teemo, far tankier, and having a 1000 range jump on a 1 minute or less CD you mean?

Shrooms are avoidable, movequick doesn't make teemo faster than shyvana, and shyvana has a drag type mechanic as well as dealing 600 damage in burst at level 6.

Teemo doesn't have shrooms pre 6 period, so claiming shrooms as a defense against ganks when teemo is going to be ganked and killed for even attempting to play as aggressive as you are suggesting he should be playing (400 units behind the enemy minion wave, really, that's just outside of tower range at regular equilibrium, which we we won't be at because you said you are going to be shoving the lane against someone who last hits under tower very well. and somehow getting double the cs even though denies aren't in the game?

Once Teemo gets a single point in W (generally around 3-4), he is faster than Shy at all points in time except for the first 1 (maybe 2) second of Burnout (before the decay takes effect). So outside of ulting, the only way Shy catches Teemo is if she is within spitting distance, runs at him, and hits Burnout. And then, for the 2 seconds you are in melee range? Lolblind.

How is Dragon's Descent a 600 damage burst? First, that relies on you landing R (iffy) and then E (slightly more likely), getting him to stand in your W for the duration (decent chance) and then getting an unmitigated auto-Q combo off (LOLBLIND). I guess if the Teemo stands there and lets you? You can't stun him to get him in place or anything, being Shyvana and all.

Even if you land it, unless you hook around him and jump him back towards your tower (unlikely), you're just pushing him towards his own tower, where he'll run to until your burnout wears off, then turn and shoot you repeatedly in the scaly butt.

If Shy goes to auto minions for last hits under tower, she's taking more than half her health in harass. Guaranteed. Which leaves her to E under tower, which gets her... 2 minions per wave? Maybe?

On August 17 2013 01:39 kainzero wrote:
Play it out already. This theorycrafting is annoying.

I'm at work for another 6 hours + Show Spoiler +
and then have models to craft :3


Besides, PX what is your ranking? I know I'm pretty bad, you generally want 2 people of the same caliber skill at the specific champion for this.

It's not about skill, or even about who's right or wrong.
It's for the entertainment of TL as a whole.
And e-peen.

I only join fights I know I can win.
+ Show Spoiler +
Or fight dirty.
It's your boy Guzma!
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 16 2013 17:14 GMT
#5331
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1kg5da/cute_teemo_a_new_korean_fanart_trend/
in case you missed it
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 17:17:59
August 16 2013 17:16 GMT
#5332
On August 17 2013 01:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 01:18 Requizen wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:16 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:08 xes wrote:
If Req and PX play and stream a Shyv vs Teemo Bo7 1v1 grudgematch I will give the winner $5 in RP

This really needs to happen.
In fact since I'm getting home in a few days I may be able to finally start streaming again---I'd love to stream grudgematches when people have them.

a grudge match of a farm matchup dependent on jungler interaction would be incredibly boring.

You're just proving how little you know about Teemo. He's not going to turn it into a farm lane, he's going to kill you or harass you so hard you'll be going back before the third wave.

When you say "dependent on jungler interaction", what you really mean is "the jungler better camp the shit out of my lane otherwise Teemo will double my farm, take my tower, and maybe kill me".

PX, you have been slapped across the face with the dueling glove.
Do you accept?



He hasn't just been slapped in the face with the gauntlet at this point. Req is like fisting his mom with it right now @_@.

God this is like grade school recess with "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!"
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 16 2013 17:23 GMT
#5333
On August 17 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 01:58 Requizen wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:09 Requizen wrote:
How is Teemo any more susceptible to ganks than Shy? She should never reach him herself (shrooms + move quick + her having 0 CC), she can't assist a gank, and with decent warding and shrooming no jungler should ever get in range outside of really jump heavy guys like Zac E, Jarvan using EQ -> ult, or maybe Hecarim if he can avoid getting slowed. Shy has the same sort of escape (run faster), and maybe blowing her ult to jump away.


Apart from being objectively faster than teemo, far tankier, and having a 1000 range jump on a 1 minute or less CD you mean?

Shrooms are avoidable, movequick doesn't make teemo faster than shyvana, and shyvana has a drag type mechanic as well as dealing 600 damage in burst at level 6.

Teemo doesn't have shrooms pre 6 period, so claiming shrooms as a defense against ganks when teemo is going to be ganked and killed for even attempting to play as aggressive as you are suggesting he should be playing (400 units behind the enemy minion wave, really, that's just outside of tower range at regular equilibrium, which we we won't be at because you said you are going to be shoving the lane against someone who last hits under tower very well. and somehow getting double the cs even though denies aren't in the game?

Once Teemo gets a single point in W (generally around 3-4), he is faster than Shy at all points in time except for the first 1 (maybe 2) second of Burnout (before the decay takes effect). So outside of ulting, the only way Shy catches Teemo is if she is within spitting distance, runs at him, and hits Burnout. And then, for the 2 seconds you are in melee range? Lolblind.

How is Dragon's Descent a 600 damage burst? First, that relies on you landing R (iffy) and then E (slightly more likely), getting him to stand in your W for the duration (decent chance) and then getting an unmitigated auto-Q combo off (LOLBLIND). I guess if the Teemo stands there and lets you? You can't stun him to get him in place or anything, being Shyvana and all.

Even if you land it, unless you hook around him and jump him back towards your tower (unlikely), you're just pushing him towards his own tower, where he'll run to until your burnout wears off, then turn and shoot you repeatedly in the scaly butt.

If Shy goes to auto minions for last hits under tower, she's taking more than half her health in harass. Guaranteed. Which leaves her to E under tower, which gets her... 2 minions per wave? Maybe?

On August 17 2013 01:39 kainzero wrote:
Play it out already. This theorycrafting is annoying.

I'm at work for another 6 hours + Show Spoiler +
and then have models to craft :3


Besides, PX what is your ranking? I know I'm pretty bad, you generally want 2 people of the same caliber skill at the specific champion for this.

It's not about skill, or even about who's right or wrong.
It's for the entertainment of TL as a whole.
And e-peen.


Just think, when we all have our Riot American Express cards we could actually bet on Requizen vs. PX /trollface
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 16 2013 17:24 GMT
#5334
Someone record it too, so I can watch it later
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
August 16 2013 17:31 GMT
#5335
On August 17 2013 02:23 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:58 Requizen wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:38 PrinceXizor wrote:
On August 17 2013 01:09 Requizen wrote:
How is Teemo any more susceptible to ganks than Shy? She should never reach him herself (shrooms + move quick + her having 0 CC), she can't assist a gank, and with decent warding and shrooming no jungler should ever get in range outside of really jump heavy guys like Zac E, Jarvan using EQ -> ult, or maybe Hecarim if he can avoid getting slowed. Shy has the same sort of escape (run faster), and maybe blowing her ult to jump away.


Apart from being objectively faster than teemo, far tankier, and having a 1000 range jump on a 1 minute or less CD you mean?

Shrooms are avoidable, movequick doesn't make teemo faster than shyvana, and shyvana has a drag type mechanic as well as dealing 600 damage in burst at level 6.

Teemo doesn't have shrooms pre 6 period, so claiming shrooms as a defense against ganks when teemo is going to be ganked and killed for even attempting to play as aggressive as you are suggesting he should be playing (400 units behind the enemy minion wave, really, that's just outside of tower range at regular equilibrium, which we we won't be at because you said you are going to be shoving the lane against someone who last hits under tower very well. and somehow getting double the cs even though denies aren't in the game?

Once Teemo gets a single point in W (generally around 3-4), he is faster than Shy at all points in time except for the first 1 (maybe 2) second of Burnout (before the decay takes effect). So outside of ulting, the only way Shy catches Teemo is if she is within spitting distance, runs at him, and hits Burnout. And then, for the 2 seconds you are in melee range? Lolblind.

How is Dragon's Descent a 600 damage burst? First, that relies on you landing R (iffy) and then E (slightly more likely), getting him to stand in your W for the duration (decent chance) and then getting an unmitigated auto-Q combo off (LOLBLIND). I guess if the Teemo stands there and lets you? You can't stun him to get him in place or anything, being Shyvana and all.

Even if you land it, unless you hook around him and jump him back towards your tower (unlikely), you're just pushing him towards his own tower, where he'll run to until your burnout wears off, then turn and shoot you repeatedly in the scaly butt.

If Shy goes to auto minions for last hits under tower, she's taking more than half her health in harass. Guaranteed. Which leaves her to E under tower, which gets her... 2 minions per wave? Maybe?

On August 17 2013 01:39 kainzero wrote:
Play it out already. This theorycrafting is annoying.

I'm at work for another 6 hours + Show Spoiler +
and then have models to craft :3


Besides, PX what is your ranking? I know I'm pretty bad, you generally want 2 people of the same caliber skill at the specific champion for this.

It's not about skill, or even about who's right or wrong.
It's for the entertainment of TL as a whole.
And e-peen.


Just think, when we all have our Riot American Express cards we could actually bet on Requizen vs. PX /trollface


HOLY YES
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#5336
On August 17 2013 02:24 Osmoses wrote:
Someone record it too, so I can watch it later

I don't think it's going to happen, sadly.
Maybe I should try and incite animosity amongst TL members so we can actually get a bunch of these.
1) Who was 5HIT mad at in the inhouses lately? Ketara?
GRUDGEMATCH

2) Neo v Alaric: I Am Disappoint

3) .....?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 16 2013 17:36 GMT
#5337
Like I said, PX if you're in the Silver/Gold ranking area I'll gladly jump into it with you, I just don't want it to be one sided because I'm playing with someone above my paygrade. I don't keep track of people's ranks outside of the top end dudes.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
August 16 2013 17:36 GMT
#5338
On August 17 2013 02:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 02:24 Osmoses wrote:
Someone record it too, so I can watch it later

I don't think it's going to happen, sadly.
Maybe I should try and incite animosity amongst TL members so we can actually get a bunch of these.
1) Who was 5HIT mad at in the inhouses lately? Ketara?
GRUDGEMATCH

2) Neo v Alaric: I Am Disappoint

3) .....?


I'll fight owb 1v1 to prove who's the better NA writer.

+ Show Spoiler +
spoiler: in this game everyone loses
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 16 2013 17:41 GMT
#5339
Well considering the teams you two support, I guess as long as you'll draw inspiration from your idols it'll be somewhat entertaining.
How much can a 1v1 be thrown?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
August 16 2013 17:43 GMT
#5340
Please make it happen. Don't flake out. Please. I need to see this. I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed to see this. Please don't deprive me of great entertainment.
God Bless
Prev 1 265 266 267 268 269 331 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 52m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 230
Liquid`TLO 149
ForJumy 59
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 609
NaDa 52
Aegong 42
League of Legends
Dendi1060
syndereN211
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1429
flusha362
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe14
Other Games
tarik_tv8958
Grubby2766
FrodaN1761
C9.Mang0269
Maynarde135
ViBE121
Livibee92
Sick33
Liquid`Ken14
rubinoeu8
Day[9].tv1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick592
BasetradeTV25
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 33
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity14
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22200
League of Legends
• Doublelift4719
Other Games
• imaqtpie1418
• Scarra1176
• Day9tv1
Upcoming Events
Esports World Cup
10h 52m
ByuN vs Zoun
SHIN vs TriGGeR
Cyan vs ShoWTimE
Rogue vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs Solar
Reynor vs Maru
herO vs Cure
Serral vs Classic
Esports World Cup
1d 10h
Esports World Cup
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
3 days
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Online Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.