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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On August 17 2013 01:16 PrinceXizor wrote: a grudge match of a farm matchup dependent on jungler interaction would be incredibly boring. Well you can just tailor the win conditions: Kill or tower are wins If Shyv gets to 100 CS without being down more than 20 Shyv wins? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 17 2013 01:24 PrinceXizor wrote: Its actually just never going to happen that you get into auto range and prevent flame breath from hitting the wave. unless you are standing 400 units behind the enemy wave, in which case, you aren't really even going to live until 6. Besides from flame breath actually hitting all 6 minions when you aim it properly, which you already showed you don't know, maxing Q for the trade damage means that your toxic shot is level 1, which is 34 damage or after mitigation about 20. once Shyvana gets a cowl, it does effectively no damage at all. of course teemo doesn't WANT it to be a farm matchup, but he can't do anything but let it be a farm matchup unless he's vastly better than the shyvana player. He just doesn't have anything to stop shyvana from farming. pretty much no tops do. Are you starting the game with a Cowl? Your passive and mastery MR is basically nothing for the first few levels, it's going to get negated by Teemo's masteries and runes. By the time you get a big MR item, he'll have Guise at the least. Not to mention that mixed damage is much harder to itemize for. I think your idea of ranges are a bit off. Her E isn't this giant sniper rifle gatling gun that can hit a minion wave from the other side of the lane and be used every couple seconds, it's a pretty long CD on a moderately ranged, thin line skillshot. You have to be pretty much in your own minion wave to hit the enemy wave, which Teemo is in no way going to let you do. And as to "not surviving until 6", just lol. You really think a E every 12-10 seconds (based on levels and if you took CDR masteries) is going to out trade mixed damage autos and Blinding Dart? Shy has literally 0 chance to actually put auto damage on Teemo if he has any knowledge about how to move and shoot. If he maxes E, you're going to get chunked every time he decides to put 2+ autos on you (usually more like 3-4 at any given time), if he maxes Q even Flash-Ghost-Ult won't let you put any damage on him because for the 2 seconds you are in melee range, you can't hit him. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 17 2013 01:09 Requizen wrote: How is Teemo any more susceptible to ganks than Shy? She should never reach him herself (shrooms + move quick + her having 0 CC), she can't assist a gank, and with decent warding and shrooming no jungler should ever get in range outside of really jump heavy guys like Zac E, Jarvan using EQ -> ult, or maybe Hecarim if he can avoid getting slowed. Shy has the same sort of escape (run faster), and maybe blowing her ult to jump away. Apart from being objectively faster than teemo, far tankier, and having a 1000 range jump on a 1 minute or less CD you mean? Shrooms are avoidable, movequick doesn't make teemo faster than shyvana, and shyvana has a drag type mechanic as well as dealing 600 damage in burst at level 6. Teemo doesn't have shrooms pre 6 period, so claiming shrooms as a defense against ganks when teemo is going to be ganked and killed for even attempting to play as aggressive as you are suggesting he should be playing (400 units behind the enemy minion wave, really, that's just outside of tower range at regular equilibrium, which we we won't be at because you said you are going to be shoving the lane against someone who last hits under tower very well. and somehow getting double the cs even though denies aren't in the game? | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 17 2013 01:38 PrinceXizor wrote: Apart from being objectively faster than teemo, far tankier, and having a 1000 range jump on a 1 minute or less CD you mean? Shrooms are avoidable, movequick doesn't make teemo faster than shyvana, and shyvana has a drag type mechanic as well as dealing 600 damage in burst at level 6. Teemo doesn't have shrooms pre 6 period, so claiming shrooms as a defense against ganks when teemo is going to be ganked and killed for even attempting to play as aggressive as you are suggesting he should be playing (400 units behind the enemy minion wave, really, that's just outside of tower range at regular equilibrium, which we we won't be at because you said you are going to be shoving the lane against someone who last hits under tower very well. and somehow getting double the cs even though denies aren't in the game? Once Teemo gets a single point in W (generally around 3-4), he is faster than Shy at all points in time except for the first 1 (maybe 2) second of Burnout (before the decay takes effect). So outside of ulting, the only way Shy catches Teemo is if she is within spitting distance, runs at him, and hits Burnout. And then, for the 2 seconds you are in melee range? Lolblind. How is Dragon's Descent a 600 damage burst? First, that relies on you landing R (iffy) and then E (slightly more likely), getting him to stand in your W for the duration (decent chance) and then getting an unmitigated auto-Q combo off (LOLBLIND). I guess if the Teemo stands there and lets you? You can't stun him to get him in place or anything, being Shyvana and all. Even if you land it, unless you hook around him and jump him back towards your tower (unlikely), you're just pushing him towards his own tower, where he'll run to until your burnout wears off, then turn and shoot you repeatedly in the scaly butt. If Shy goes to auto minions for last hits under tower, she's taking more than half her health in harass. Guaranteed. Which leaves her to E under tower, which gets her... 2 minions per wave? Maybe? On August 17 2013 01:39 kainzero wrote: Play it out already. This theorycrafting is annoying. I'm at work for another 6 hours + Show Spoiler + and then have models to craft :3 Besides, PX what is your ranking? I know I'm pretty bad, you generally want 2 people of the same caliber skill at the specific champion for this. | ||
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Louuster
Canada2869 Posts
Watching all of them praise the LCS model was also pretty cool, even though the amount of basically mod encouraged Dota > LoL in the chat was kind of annoying when the subject was brought up. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On August 17 2013 01:58 Requizen wrote: Once Teemo gets a single point in W (generally around 3-4), he is faster than Shy at all points in time except for the first 1 (maybe 2) second of Burnout (before the decay takes effect). So outside of ulting, the only way Shy catches Teemo is if she is within spitting distance, runs at him, and hits Burnout. And then, for the 2 seconds you are in melee range? Lolblind. How is Dragon's Descent a 600 damage burst? First, that relies on you landing R (iffy) and then E (slightly more likely), getting him to stand in your W for the duration (decent chance) and then getting an unmitigated auto-Q combo off (LOLBLIND). I guess if the Teemo stands there and lets you? You can't stun him to get him in place or anything, being Shyvana and all. Even if you land it, unless you hook around him and jump him back towards your tower (unlikely), you're just pushing him towards his own tower, where he'll run to until your burnout wears off, then turn and shoot you repeatedly in the scaly butt. If Shy goes to auto minions for last hits under tower, she's taking more than half her health in harass. Guaranteed. Which leaves her to E under tower, which gets her... 2 minions per wave? Maybe? I'm at work for another 6 hours + Show Spoiler + and then have models to craft :3 Besides, PX what is your ranking? I know I'm pretty bad, you generally want 2 people of the same caliber skill at the specific champion for this. It's not about skill, or even about who's right or wrong. It's for the entertainment of TL as a whole. And e-peen. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not about skill, or even about who's right or wrong. It's for the entertainment of TL as a whole. And e-peen. I only join fights I know I can win. + Show Spoiler + Or fight dirty. | ||
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
in case you missed it | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On August 17 2013 01:24 WaveofShadow wrote: PX, you have been slapped across the face with the dueling glove. Do you accept? He hasn't just been slapped in the face with the gauntlet at this point. Req is like fisting his mom with it right now @_@. God this is like grade school recess with "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!" | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not about skill, or even about who's right or wrong. It's for the entertainment of TL as a whole. And e-peen. Just think, when we all have our Riot American Express cards we could actually bet on Requizen vs. PX /trollface | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:23 Ketara wrote: Just think, when we all have our Riot American Express cards we could actually bet on Requizen vs. PX /trollface HOLY YES | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:24 Osmoses wrote: Someone record it too, so I can watch it later I don't think it's going to happen, sadly. Maybe I should try and incite animosity amongst TL members so we can actually get a bunch of these. 1) Who was 5HIT mad at in the inhouses lately? Ketara? GRUDGEMATCH 2) Neo v Alaric: I Am Disappoint 3) .....? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On August 17 2013 02:34 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think it's going to happen, sadly. Maybe I should try and incite animosity amongst TL members so we can actually get a bunch of these. 1) Who was 5HIT mad at in the inhouses lately? Ketara? GRUDGEMATCH 2) Neo v Alaric: I Am Disappoint 3) .....? I'll fight owb 1v1 to prove who's the better NA writer. + Show Spoiler + spoiler: in this game everyone loses | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
How much can a 1v1 be thrown? | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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