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IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
August 15 2013 11:32 GMT
#5121
clamping sucks so bad. An hour long game, where I started 0/4 as twitch and ended up 14/9/14 with our team winning by backdooring their nexus with TF's ult + my stealth is apparently worth 5 lp. I'm only at ~25 points in plat 1 too and I'm already being clamped hard. this sucks T_T
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
August 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#5122
On NLB we see a Sion played by jin air stealths. Check it out :>

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nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
August 15 2013 13:10 GMT
#5123
MMR doesn't care for how you won your games in general.
Clamping at that tier means you are not close enough to the Diamond threshold, thus the system is slowing down your LP gains until you hit the required MMR.
cool beans
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
August 15 2013 13:32 GMT
#5124
On August 15 2013 17:26 chinstrap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 13:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 15 2013 13:08 sob3k wrote:
On August 15 2013 12:44 IamPryda wrote:
On August 15 2013 09:32 iCanada wrote:
I hate playing top. I dont understand how to carry from there.

You can't snowball for shit. And even if you do, you cannot make it amount to anything because it impossible to roam.

Always win lane, always lose game. Zzz... I just feel like I get three man ganked until the 15 minute mark when everyone groups, then that it. If I lucky my team grabs an objective, but usually not.

Feels like Win lane hard, lose game. I dunno, maybe I can make people rotate out with me or something.

/shrug

If you are winning top hard keep killing there top over and over and push to second turret and force there jungle and mid to help. Meanwhile have your jungler babysit bot and help your adc get ahead.


5-0. Push to T2. Enemy team five man ganks. Allies do wraith camp.

End game 7-7.

Lose. Flamed in postgame for not grouping.


that sounds like your fault why were you solo pushing top t2

also lol u died 7 times


You have to be very careful when splitpushing in solo q. Even if you crush your lane and are miles ahead you still can't just blindly push a tier 2 solo if your team arn't exerting significant map pressure elsewhere.

My general decision making is (this assumes you have won your lane and taken T1 tower early)...

Is my team grouped and pushing somewhere and have a team comp with sufficient disengage to not just die? > Ok I can split push, ward deep and steal their jungle. I either get T2 or my team gets mid / drake.

Is my team still in the laning phase and the game is somewhat even elsewhere on the map? > Deep ward, push waves hard to T2 turret with op hydra wave clear then go kill mid tower / drake / their mid laner while their top has to clear the massive wave

My team is miles behind and they are grouped? > Harder spot, I generally will just split to try and relieve pressure here and force a reaction to buy my team some time. Again it depends on how good their siege is and how strong your teams wave clear under turret is.


So you're saying that instead of trying to splitpush, you should group up and take the teamfight you have a 90% chance of losing?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 14:16:07
August 15 2013 13:51 GMT
#5125
On August 15 2013 14:39 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 13:24 Kuja900 wrote:
Hey guys I just put a lot of work into my 3.10 Rammus guide if teamliquid has any comments,criticisms or anything else for me I would greatly appreciate it this is my first guide and I am a perfectionist:

http://www.lolking.net/guides/179926

Hey, looks pretty good except I question your choice of indomitable and block in the defensive tree over the slow reduction and tenacious. Those seem pretty important as Rammus and block doesn't seem all that useful when you have such huge amounts of armor already.

The guide is too specific at points and does not say what items are good in a polished format.

Also you should consider using Rammus' slow instead of just taunting after. And also using your Q to catch someone after they burn their flash instead of leading with it, or using its knockback as well. Just some next lvl Rammus plays.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
chinstrap
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom253 Posts
August 15 2013 13:55 GMT
#5126
On August 15 2013 22:32 Jerubaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 17:26 chinstrap wrote:
On August 15 2013 13:36 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On August 15 2013 13:08 sob3k wrote:
On August 15 2013 12:44 IamPryda wrote:
On August 15 2013 09:32 iCanada wrote:
I hate playing top. I dont understand how to carry from there.

You can't snowball for shit. And even if you do, you cannot make it amount to anything because it impossible to roam.

Always win lane, always lose game. Zzz... I just feel like I get three man ganked until the 15 minute mark when everyone groups, then that it. If I lucky my team grabs an objective, but usually not.

Feels like Win lane hard, lose game. I dunno, maybe I can make people rotate out with me or something.

/shrug

If you are winning top hard keep killing there top over and over and push to second turret and force there jungle and mid to help. Meanwhile have your jungler babysit bot and help your adc get ahead.


5-0. Push to T2. Enemy team five man ganks. Allies do wraith camp.

End game 7-7.

Lose. Flamed in postgame for not grouping.


that sounds like your fault why were you solo pushing top t2

also lol u died 7 times


You have to be very careful when splitpushing in solo q. Even if you crush your lane and are miles ahead you still can't just blindly push a tier 2 solo if your team arn't exerting significant map pressure elsewhere.

My general decision making is (this assumes you have won your lane and taken T1 tower early)...

Is my team grouped and pushing somewhere and have a team comp with sufficient disengage to not just die? > Ok I can split push, ward deep and steal their jungle. I either get T2 or my team gets mid / drake.

Is my team still in the laning phase and the game is somewhat even elsewhere on the map? > Deep ward, push waves hard to T2 turret with op hydra wave clear then go kill mid tower / drake / their mid laner while their top has to clear the massive wave

My team is miles behind and they are grouped? > Harder spot, I generally will just split to try and relieve pressure here and force a reaction to buy my team some time. Again it depends on how good their siege is and how strong your teams wave clear under turret is.


So you're saying that instead of trying to splitpush, you should group up and take the teamfight you have a 90% chance of losing?


No, not at all. I dont really know where you got that from. It is a fruitless endeavour trying to splitpush if they can just 5v4 dive and crush your team while you are rofling around on your own though, your only option then is to stall 5v5 and hope they throw diving 5v5.

In summary I am basically you should only split push in the secnario where you are strong enough to 1v1 anyone on their team if they try to stop you AND your team can stall 4v5 without just being dived losing the game while you push.

You also need to be deep warding their jungle so you both you and your team can react if they respond to you in numbers (by retrating yourself, while your team take objectives with their numbers advantage elsewhere on the map).
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
August 15 2013 14:40 GMT
#5127
On August 15 2013 15:59 Osmoses wrote:
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On August 15 2013 15:43 silencefc wrote:
Oh my god. I just had the greatest bottom lane.

Told my Marksman to play Twitch and I picked Support Cassiopeia. That level 1 fight was the most hilarious thing I've been a part of in LoL; as soon as Twitch hits someone I get to spam E. Their Jungler came down and I got a triple kill.

OK you have my interest. Get back in there and research this properly. Bring back videos.

"Cassiopeia will benefit from the cooldown reduction on Twin Fang even if the poison on her target was not from her own abilities, specifically Teemo's Toxic Shot and Noxious Trap, Singed's Poison Trail, and Twitch's Deadly Venom."

Teemo or Twitch with Cass support sounds like something to try at the next T.R.O.L.L.S.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 15 2013 15:57 GMT
#5128
Pretty much a kill lane then? She doesn't bring much beyond harass and her ult as a support.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
August 15 2013 16:24 GMT
#5129
On August 15 2013 23:40 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 15:59 Osmoses wrote:
On August 15 2013 15:43 silencefc wrote:
Oh my god. I just had the greatest bottom lane.

Told my Marksman to play Twitch and I picked Support Cassiopeia. That level 1 fight was the most hilarious thing I've been a part of in LoL; as soon as Twitch hits someone I get to spam E. Their Jungler came down and I got a triple kill.

OK you have my interest. Get back in there and research this properly. Bring back videos.

"Cassiopeia will benefit from the cooldown reduction on Twin Fang even if the poison on her target was not from her own abilities, specifically Teemo's Toxic Shot and Noxious Trap, Singed's Poison Trail, and Twitch's Deadly Venom."

Teemo or Twitch with Cass support sounds like something to try at the next T.R.O.L.L.S.

You've never played the level 1 stealth Teemo in mid lane with Cass mid?

Super lol.
God Bless
ArcTimes
Profile Joined January 2011
Peru269 Posts
August 15 2013 16:32 GMT
#5130
Maybe a full team... something like cassio mid, twitch adc, teemo top, ehmm singed jungle? and any support support with cc.
Cassio just build mana and rylai and spam e like they were autos.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 15 2013 16:34 GMT
#5131
On August 16 2013 01:32 ArcTimes wrote:
Maybe a full team... something like cassio mid, twitch adc, teemo top, ehmm singed jungle? and any support support with cc.
Cassio just build mana and rylai and spam e like they were autos.

Cass/Singed is already a really strong and annoying combo, why you need to add silly shenanigans to it?
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 15 2013 16:36 GMT
#5132
Does anyone jungle Twitch anymore? Probably already a thing but you could lvl 2 gank for Cass mid. E spam plus expunge there is no way that mid survives.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 15 2013 16:41 GMT
#5133
On August 16 2013 01:36 mordek wrote:
Does anyone jungle Twitch anymore? Probably already a thing but you could lvl 2 gank for Cass mid. E spam plus expunge there is no way that mid survives.


well, that doesn't bring much CC, so they'd have to have burned flash or be pretty far forward
might still be enough damage to straight up force them back
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 15 2013 16:42 GMT
#5134
On August 16 2013 01:41 Tooplark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 01:36 mordek wrote:
Does anyone jungle Twitch anymore? Probably already a thing but you could lvl 2 gank for Cass mid. E spam plus expunge there is no way that mid survives.


well, that doesn't bring much CC, so they'd have to have burned flash or be pretty far forward
might still be enough damage to straight up force them back

Two decent slows, one of which comes from stealth, isn't the worst CC you could ask for (Master Yi sans Red ganking for Fiora).
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 15 2013 16:43 GMT
#5135
On August 16 2013 01:41 Tooplark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 01:36 mordek wrote:
Does anyone jungle Twitch anymore? Probably already a thing but you could lvl 2 gank for Cass mid. E spam plus expunge there is no way that mid survives.


well, that doesn't bring much CC, so they'd have to have burned flash or be pretty far forward
might still be enough damage to straight up force them back

I would think if Cass is willing to flash and ignite, that has to be enough damage... pure science right there
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Morzas
Profile Joined August 2005
United States387 Posts
August 15 2013 17:27 GMT
#5136
On August 15 2013 13:24 Kuja900 wrote:
Hey guys I just put a lot of work into my 3.10 Rammus guide if teamliquid has any comments,criticisms or anything else for me I would greatly appreciate it this is my first guide and I am a perfectionist:

http://www.lolking.net/guides/179926


One of the biggest mistakes I make when I play Rammus is forgetting that my teammates aren't as fast as I am, so I get a little too aggressive and I get picked off because of it. I don't know where you could fit that into your guide, but I think it's something every Rammus player (and Hecarim player) needs to be aware of.
What has four wheels and flies? Stephen Hawking on LSD!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 17:56:45
August 15 2013 17:56 GMT
#5137
On August 16 2013 02:27 Morzas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 13:24 Kuja900 wrote:
Hey guys I just put a lot of work into my 3.10 Rammus guide if teamliquid has any comments,criticisms or anything else for me I would greatly appreciate it this is my first guide and I am a perfectionist:

http://www.lolking.net/guides/179926


One of the biggest mistakes I make when I play Rammus is forgetting that my teammates aren't as fast as I am, so I get a little too aggressive and I get picked off because of it. I don't know where you could fit that into your guide, but I think it's something every Rammus player (and Hecarim player) needs to be aware of.

Oh my god.. yes. Team is slowpokes, report!
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 15 2013 17:57 GMT
#5138
On August 16 2013 02:27 Morzas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 13:24 Kuja900 wrote:
Hey guys I just put a lot of work into my 3.10 Rammus guide if teamliquid has any comments,criticisms or anything else for me I would greatly appreciate it this is my first guide and I am a perfectionist:

http://www.lolking.net/guides/179926


One of the biggest mistakes I make when I play Rammus is forgetting that my teammates aren't as fast as I am, so I get a little too aggressive and I get picked off because of it. I don't know where you could fit that into your guide, but I think it's something every Rammus player (and Hecarim player) needs to be aware of.

Don't worry about them keeping up, they have Flash.
It's your boy Guzma!
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
August 15 2013 18:40 GMT
#5139
TIL from your Rammus guide that his ultimate damages towers. Why is split-push Rammus not a thing?
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 18:41:43
August 15 2013 18:41 GMT
#5140
Editor's Note - Aug 15: Regretfully, there's been an unexpected delay in issuing tickets for the World Championship and sales will not begin at 12PM PDT today as previously announced. We're working diligently to resolve the problem and will provide an update when we've confirmed a new sale date and time.


noooo after all the furious texting with friends to figure out how many tickets to buy
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