EPTFor example, during TI3, the LoL DotA 2 thread had some discussion about whether buybacks were a good or a bad thing that didn't really make any headway.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
For example, during TI3, the LoL DotA 2 thread had some discussion about whether buybacks were a good or a bad thing that didn't really make any headway. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On August 13 2013 10:52 petered wrote: Does anyone know of a good resource that discusses the merits of Dota 2 versus LoL? I watched some TI3 and now I am curious. I read up on some of the differences between the games, but I can't find an good, unbiased opinion on which game is more fun/rewarding to play. Now, I do not want to have the conversation here (please don't get me in trouble), but if anyone knows of a place where I can read some pros/cons of the games without having to wade through fanboy opinions, that would be great. Now, if you're not looking for pros/cons per se, but a sheer list of differences, check out this guy. His early videos feature a great comparison of the differences between the games, with a focus of introducing a LoL player to DotA. | ||
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Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
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IMoperator
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:20 AsmodeusXI wrote: Now, if you're not looking for pros/cons per se, but a sheer list of differences, check out this guy. His early videos feature a great comparison of the differences between the games, with a focus of introducing a LoL player to DotA. I am looking for opinions. I don't want to start a shitstorm by straight up asking people in a LoL thread which game they think is better, though. However, I know there are plenty of people on TL who have played both games and have well thought out opinions/thoughts on the two games. In general, that perspective can be hard to find, and like I said I don't think this is the place to discuss it. I was hoping someone like Yango or others had already posted their thoughts somewhere. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:25 IMoperator wrote: yo where's that xildarkz guy at, i have a syndra question. Just wondering if fizz is actually good vs. syndra or is that a decent matchup for her? this is the thread you're looking for. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
i played dota for 2 years before i got to play in the LoL beta and preferred LoL greatly and still do. it is completely subjective | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:31 Frolossus wrote: "more fun/rewarding" is totally based on everyone's opinion i played dota for 2 years before i got to play in the LoL beta and preferred LoL greatly and still do. it is completely subjective I agree it is mostly subjective and everyone will have different ideas of what they want in a game. That is why when I ask for an opinion, I try to seek out people who tend to have similar preferences as me. For example, when I was starting LoL, I noticed that many of the champs I liked were similar to what Smashgizmo like, so when I saw him making guides on certain champs I would try those out since I knew I would probably like those as well. Still, you are correct you can never tell for sure just based on other people's opinions. It is a good starting spot, though. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 13 2013 10:21 Slusher wrote: I'm confused on the build path here, Mallet remains unchanged. Do you just lose the armor for 600g? Mallet builds from Belt, Ruby, Pickaxe according to Surr@20 What I want to know is if Phage will build into a dedicated AD/Armor item now. | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
I usually alway ban thresh + blitz because I hate the hook mechanism... but then I feel like Vayne, Yi and Tryndamere can dominate even more. | ||
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
On August 13 2013 13:09 Gahlo wrote: Mallet builds from Belt, Ruby, Pickaxe according to Surr@20 What I want to know is if Phage will build into a dedicated AD/Armor item now. I don't think there's really a need for a dedicated AD/Armor item, hell I don't even know what kind of niche riot is trying to fill with the new phage. Doran's shield, ninja tabi, warden's mail and chain vest seem to be far better options for itemizing against physical damage champions, and it's not like bruisers are hurting for AD itemization. It's just a straight nerf to Phage and Trinity Force, making BotRK even moreso the default item for melee auto attackers. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 13 2013 13:13 XenOmega wrote: What are the most snowball champions your team can't handle usually? I usually alway ban thresh + blitz because I hate the hook mechanism... but then I feel like Vayne, Yi and Tryndamere can dominate even more. Lee, Hec, Akali, pre and post Yi, Singed. On August 13 2013 13:17 c.Deadly wrote: I don't think there's really a need for a dedicated AD/Armor item, hell I don't even know what kind of niche riot is trying to fill with the new phage. Doran's shield, ninja tabi, warden's mail and chain vest seem to be far better options for itemizing against physical damage champions, and it's not like bruisers are hurting for AD itemization. It's just a straight nerf to Phage and Trinity Force, making BotRK even moreso the default item for melee auto attackers. The power of Riven compels you. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:43 petered wrote: I agree it is mostly subjective and everyone will have different ideas of what they want in a game. That is why when I ask for an opinion, I try to seek out people who tend to have similar preferences as me. For example, when I was starting LoL, I noticed that many of the champs I liked were similar to what Smashgizmo like, so when I saw him making guides on certain champs I would try those out since I knew I would probably like those as well. Still, you are correct you can never tell for sure just based on other people's opinions. It is a good starting spot, though. Honestly, for me, Dota v. LoL is kinda like BW v. SC2 except not as great a gulf between the two. You could probably post in the Dota 2 thread in this subforum and ask there for more detailed answers. On August 13 2013 11:25 IMoperator wrote: yo where's that xildarkz guy at, i have a syndra question. Just wondering if fizz is actually good vs. syndra or is that a decent matchup for her? Generally speaking, Fizz dominates squishy caster champs. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On August 13 2013 11:29 petered wrote: I am looking for opinions. I don't want to start a shitstorm by straight up asking people in a LoL thread which game they think is better, though. However, I know there are plenty of people on TL who have played both games and have well thought out opinions/thoughts on the two games. In general, that perspective can be hard to find, and like I said I don't think this is the place to discuss it. I was hoping someone like Yango or others had already posted their thoughts somewhere. You should post in the other topic http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317167 , so that we can separate dota topic from others. What kind of opinions you want to know about? | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 13 2013 13:27 Ryuu314 wrote: Generally speaking, Fizz dominates squishy caster champs. Syndra has a lot of high skill things she can do to protect from fizz, but i mean they are things you literally have to just practice for hours. like Shoving fizz away as he jumps at you for Q, cancelling it. Or for the brave: running toward him during it then shoving him into your tower and stunning him. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 13 2013 13:09 Gahlo wrote: Mallet builds from Belt, Ruby, Pickaxe according to Surr@20 What I want to know is if Phage will build into a dedicated AD/Armor item now. It still builds into Trinity Force, the stats and cost of which have been modified accordingly. + Show Spoiler + 250 health removed, 30 armor added. Cost reduced to 3578 from 3843 . Icy unique passive replaced with Rage - Basic attacks grant 20 movement speed for 1.5 seconds on hit. Kills grant 60 movement speed for 1.5 seconds. I'd like to state for the record how absolutely uninspiring "Rage" is. It's basically the used car salesman version of Sivir's passive. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 13 2013 13:46 Seuss wrote: It still builds into Trinity Force, the stats and cost of which have been modified accordingly. + Show Spoiler + 250 health removed, 30 armor added. Cost reduced to 3578 from 3843 . Icy unique passive replaced with Rage - Basic attacks grant 20 movement speed for 1.5 seconds on hit. Kills grant 60 movement speed for 1.5 seconds. I'd like to state for the record how absolutely uninspiring "Rage" is. It's basically the used car salesman version of Sivir's passive. oh yeah its boring for sure. pretty fun to consider on sivir though. why even get boots on her with that trinity. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
First time I witnessed-first hand this godlike late game Poppy. Besides maybe a better team comp to peel Poppy off, no idea what my team could of done to deal with her once she got to 4-5 completed items honestly. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 13 2013 13:56 sung_moon wrote: Wow just played a game as Twitch and came out of laning phase reasonable fed with like 30-40 cs over my opponent and 3 kills, but as late game came around, the enemy team Poppy was enormous somehow. First time I witnessed-first hand this godlike late game Poppy. Besides maybe a better team comp to peel Poppy off, no idea what my team could of done to deal with her once she got to 4-5 completed items honestly. split push to avoid fights, try to build stuff like botrk/GA on appropriate champs as she starts to get big, Shard of true ice, IBG, Just stuff that inhibits her movement. Banshees is quite strong vs poppy as well. IF she gets to that point, you better have been planning for it or your only option is to take an incredibly well played teamfight or split push. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Split pushing is suicide unless your split pusher can 1v1 Poppy (which is questionable if she's huge). | ||
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