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On June 06 2013 11:55 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:05 OutlaW- wrote:
I apologize, then, for these 2 meaningless posts. A bit tired. It's all good, I realize how it came off as directed when it was supposed to be more of a general statement. On June 06 2013 11:06 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 10:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Some people don't have as thick of skin. Don't act all holier than thou because some people can't shrug off needless shit talking. Ignoring is a great option, assholes should still be banned. I think the point is not that we don't think ingame hatespeech is good, we just think that it is far more tolerable than other things that Riot basically turns a blind eye to. Its as if Major League Baseball flipped its policies and suspended players 50/100games/lifetime ban for non-PC speech and only gave $15,000 fines for using PEDs. One of the things infringes on the legitimacy of the games, while the other does not, the punishments should reflect that. I think it's a little different when we are comparing professional athletes to people just picking up the game. I think IWD's 1 year ban was too harsh, but if someone is a dick in game and flames I have no issue with them getting a week ban or whatever. Yes, in one situation you are depriving someone of their standard of living, in the other you are depriving them of a videogame (except for IWD). In any case, conduct should ALWAYS be punished more harshly than speech. Always.
Why do i think Icewind Dale when you write IWD? Maybe because it was so close to the word videogame. But generally speaking, i think we are rapidly approaching the point where there are too many different meanings to acronyms and soon noone will understand each other because they all think the other is talking about something completely different.
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On June 06 2013 11:55 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:05 OutlaW- wrote:
I apologize, then, for these 2 meaningless posts. A bit tired. It's all good, I realize how it came off as directed when it was supposed to be more of a general statement. On June 06 2013 11:06 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 10:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Some people don't have as thick of skin. Don't act all holier than thou because some people can't shrug off needless shit talking. Ignoring is a great option, assholes should still be banned. I think the point is not that we don't think ingame hatespeech is good, we just think that it is far more tolerable than other things that Riot basically turns a blind eye to. Its as if Major League Baseball flipped its policies and suspended players 50/100games/lifetime ban for non-PC speech and only gave $15,000 fines for using PEDs. One of the things infringes on the legitimacy of the games, while the other does not, the punishments should reflect that. I think it's a little different when we are comparing professional athletes to people just picking up the game. I think IWD's 1 year ban was too harsh, but if someone is a dick in game and flames I have no issue with them getting a week ban or whatever. Yes, in one situation you are depriving someone of their standard of living, in the other you are depriving them of a videogame (except for IWD). In any case, conduct should ALWAYS be punished more harshly than speech. Always.
Just to add something here, Riot/Dignitas both stated that IWD was warned about his behavior, and it did not improve. It's not as if these guys don't get warnings or prior knowledge of this occurring. A year ban is being quite lenient in my views considering the below.
Look at the post made by Riot, specifically:
Despite the punishments and official warnings, his harassment score has risen more than 30% from early August to the present date, placing him at the top of the list of North American pro players and among the worst 0.7% of all North American players.
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2864421
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On June 06 2013 11:56 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:55 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:05 OutlaW- wrote:
I apologize, then, for these 2 meaningless posts. A bit tired. It's all good, I realize how it came off as directed when it was supposed to be more of a general statement. On June 06 2013 11:06 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 10:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Some people don't have as thick of skin. Don't act all holier than thou because some people can't shrug off needless shit talking. Ignoring is a great option, assholes should still be banned. I think the point is not that we don't think ingame hatespeech is good, we just think that it is far more tolerable than other things that Riot basically turns a blind eye to. Its as if Major League Baseball flipped its policies and suspended players 50/100games/lifetime ban for non-PC speech and only gave $15,000 fines for using PEDs. One of the things infringes on the legitimacy of the games, while the other does not, the punishments should reflect that. I think it's a little different when we are comparing professional athletes to people just picking up the game. I think IWD's 1 year ban was too harsh, but if someone is a dick in game and flames I have no issue with them getting a week ban or whatever. Yes, in one situation you are depriving someone of their standard of living, in the other you are depriving them of a videogame (except for IWD). In any case, conduct should ALWAYS be punished more harshly than speech. Always. So I think we actually agree lol.
Possibly. If you think a Pro player who gets permabanned for intentional feeding and pregame trolling should get >than a 1 year ban, then yes.
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United States23745 Posts
On June 06 2013 12:18 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:56 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:55 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:05 OutlaW- wrote:
I apologize, then, for these 2 meaningless posts. A bit tired. It's all good, I realize how it came off as directed when it was supposed to be more of a general statement. On June 06 2013 11:06 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 10:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Some people don't have as thick of skin. Don't act all holier than thou because some people can't shrug off needless shit talking. Ignoring is a great option, assholes should still be banned. I think the point is not that we don't think ingame hatespeech is good, we just think that it is far more tolerable than other things that Riot basically turns a blind eye to. Its as if Major League Baseball flipped its policies and suspended players 50/100games/lifetime ban for non-PC speech and only gave $15,000 fines for using PEDs. One of the things infringes on the legitimacy of the games, while the other does not, the punishments should reflect that. I think it's a little different when we are comparing professional athletes to people just picking up the game. I think IWD's 1 year ban was too harsh, but if someone is a dick in game and flames I have no issue with them getting a week ban or whatever. Yes, in one situation you are depriving someone of their standard of living, in the other you are depriving them of a videogame (except for IWD). In any case, conduct should ALWAYS be punished more harshly than speech. Always. So I think we actually agree lol. Possibly. If you think a Pro player who gets permabanned for intentional feeding and pregame trolling should get >than a 1 year ban, then yes.
Based on the precedent Riot has set then yes.
On June 06 2013 12:17 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 11:55 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:05 OutlaW- wrote:
I apologize, then, for these 2 meaningless posts. A bit tired. It's all good, I realize how it came off as directed when it was supposed to be more of a general statement. On June 06 2013 11:06 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 10:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Some people don't have as thick of skin. Don't act all holier than thou because some people can't shrug off needless shit talking. Ignoring is a great option, assholes should still be banned. I think the point is not that we don't think ingame hatespeech is good, we just think that it is far more tolerable than other things that Riot basically turns a blind eye to. Its as if Major League Baseball flipped its policies and suspended players 50/100games/lifetime ban for non-PC speech and only gave $15,000 fines for using PEDs. One of the things infringes on the legitimacy of the games, while the other does not, the punishments should reflect that. I think it's a little different when we are comparing professional athletes to people just picking up the game. I think IWD's 1 year ban was too harsh, but if someone is a dick in game and flames I have no issue with them getting a week ban or whatever. Yes, in one situation you are depriving someone of their standard of living, in the other you are depriving them of a videogame (except for IWD). In any case, conduct should ALWAYS be punished more harshly than speech. Always. Just to add something here, Riot/Dignitas both stated that IWD was warned about his behavior, and it did not improve. It's not as if these guys don't get warnings or prior knowledge of this occurring. A year ban is being quite lenient in my views considering the below. Look at the post made by Riot, specifically: Show nested quote +Despite the punishments and official warnings, his harassment score has risen more than 30% from early August to the present date, placing him at the top of the list of North American pro players and among the worst 0.7% of all North American players. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2864421
Well at least he wasn't as bad as Darkwin Jax lol.
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Okay, I get some terrible lag spikes/DC every like 5 or so minutes-- game isn't unplayable, but can make for some really bad shit when Baron dance or high respawn times. Good to know it (might) not be just me.
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On June 06 2013 12:21 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:18 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 11:56 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:55 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:05 OutlaW- wrote:
I apologize, then, for these 2 meaningless posts. A bit tired. It's all good, I realize how it came off as directed when it was supposed to be more of a general statement. On June 06 2013 11:06 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 10:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Some people don't have as thick of skin. Don't act all holier than thou because some people can't shrug off needless shit talking. Ignoring is a great option, assholes should still be banned. I think the point is not that we don't think ingame hatespeech is good, we just think that it is far more tolerable than other things that Riot basically turns a blind eye to. Its as if Major League Baseball flipped its policies and suspended players 50/100games/lifetime ban for non-PC speech and only gave $15,000 fines for using PEDs. One of the things infringes on the legitimacy of the games, while the other does not, the punishments should reflect that. I think it's a little different when we are comparing professional athletes to people just picking up the game. I think IWD's 1 year ban was too harsh, but if someone is a dick in game and flames I have no issue with them getting a week ban or whatever. Yes, in one situation you are depriving someone of their standard of living, in the other you are depriving them of a videogame (except for IWD). In any case, conduct should ALWAYS be punished more harshly than speech. Always. So I think we actually agree lol. Possibly. If you think a Pro player who gets permabanned for intentional feeding and pregame trolling should get >than a 1 year ban, then yes. Based on the precedent Riot has set then yes. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:17 ketchup wrote:On June 06 2013 11:55 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:05 OutlaW- wrote:
I apologize, then, for these 2 meaningless posts. A bit tired. It's all good, I realize how it came off as directed when it was supposed to be more of a general statement. On June 06 2013 11:06 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 10:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Some people don't have as thick of skin. Don't act all holier than thou because some people can't shrug off needless shit talking. Ignoring is a great option, assholes should still be banned. I think the point is not that we don't think ingame hatespeech is good, we just think that it is far more tolerable than other things that Riot basically turns a blind eye to. Its as if Major League Baseball flipped its policies and suspended players 50/100games/lifetime ban for non-PC speech and only gave $15,000 fines for using PEDs. One of the things infringes on the legitimacy of the games, while the other does not, the punishments should reflect that. I think it's a little different when we are comparing professional athletes to people just picking up the game. I think IWD's 1 year ban was too harsh, but if someone is a dick in game and flames I have no issue with them getting a week ban or whatever. Yes, in one situation you are depriving someone of their standard of living, in the other you are depriving them of a videogame (except for IWD). In any case, conduct should ALWAYS be punished more harshly than speech. Always. Just to add something here, Riot/Dignitas both stated that IWD was warned about his behavior, and it did not improve. It's not as if these guys don't get warnings or prior knowledge of this occurring. A year ban is being quite lenient in my views considering the below. Look at the post made by Riot, specifically: Despite the punishments and official warnings, his harassment score has risen more than 30% from early August to the present date, placing him at the top of the list of North American pro players and among the worst 0.7% of all North American players. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2864421 Well at least he wasn't as bad as Darkwin Jax lol.
I forgot the last bit in my quote:
There also have been repeated incidents of similar behavior outside the game.
So.. yea debatable from the information provided.
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United States23745 Posts
On June 06 2013 12:26 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:21 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 12:18 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 11:56 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:55 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:05 OutlaW- wrote:
I apologize, then, for these 2 meaningless posts. A bit tired. It's all good, I realize how it came off as directed when it was supposed to be more of a general statement. On June 06 2013 11:06 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 10:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Some people don't have as thick of skin. Don't act all holier than thou because some people can't shrug off needless shit talking. Ignoring is a great option, assholes should still be banned. I think the point is not that we don't think ingame hatespeech is good, we just think that it is far more tolerable than other things that Riot basically turns a blind eye to. Its as if Major League Baseball flipped its policies and suspended players 50/100games/lifetime ban for non-PC speech and only gave $15,000 fines for using PEDs. One of the things infringes on the legitimacy of the games, while the other does not, the punishments should reflect that. I think it's a little different when we are comparing professional athletes to people just picking up the game. I think IWD's 1 year ban was too harsh, but if someone is a dick in game and flames I have no issue with them getting a week ban or whatever. Yes, in one situation you are depriving someone of their standard of living, in the other you are depriving them of a videogame (except for IWD). In any case, conduct should ALWAYS be punished more harshly than speech. Always. So I think we actually agree lol. Possibly. If you think a Pro player who gets permabanned for intentional feeding and pregame trolling should get >than a 1 year ban, then yes. Based on the precedent Riot has set then yes. On June 06 2013 12:17 ketchup wrote:On June 06 2013 11:55 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 11:08 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 06 2013 11:05 OutlaW- wrote:
I apologize, then, for these 2 meaningless posts. A bit tired. It's all good, I realize how it came off as directed when it was supposed to be more of a general statement. On June 06 2013 11:06 cLutZ wrote:On June 06 2013 10:59 onlywonderboy wrote:
Some people don't have as thick of skin. Don't act all holier than thou because some people can't shrug off needless shit talking. Ignoring is a great option, assholes should still be banned. I think the point is not that we don't think ingame hatespeech is good, we just think that it is far more tolerable than other things that Riot basically turns a blind eye to. Its as if Major League Baseball flipped its policies and suspended players 50/100games/lifetime ban for non-PC speech and only gave $15,000 fines for using PEDs. One of the things infringes on the legitimacy of the games, while the other does not, the punishments should reflect that. I think it's a little different when we are comparing professional athletes to people just picking up the game. I think IWD's 1 year ban was too harsh, but if someone is a dick in game and flames I have no issue with them getting a week ban or whatever. Yes, in one situation you are depriving someone of their standard of living, in the other you are depriving them of a videogame (except for IWD). In any case, conduct should ALWAYS be punished more harshly than speech. Always. Just to add something here, Riot/Dignitas both stated that IWD was warned about his behavior, and it did not improve. It's not as if these guys don't get warnings or prior knowledge of this occurring. A year ban is being quite lenient in my views considering the below. Look at the post made by Riot, specifically: Despite the punishments and official warnings, his harassment score has risen more than 30% from early August to the present date, placing him at the top of the list of North American pro players and among the worst 0.7% of all North American players. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2864421 Well at least he wasn't as bad as Darkwin Jax lol. I forgot the last bit in my quote: Show nested quote +There also have been repeated incidents of similar behavior outside the game. So.. yea debatable from the information provided.
Hahah I know, but still don't think he was that bad comparatively.
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Netherlands1242 Posts
Hey everyone, I'm looking to either borrow an NA account for the summer or trade something for one. Everything level 20+ would work, although a level 30 is preferred. I was 2k elo in EUW in season 2, and I've never even gotten a warning (so manner yo). Would really appreciate a PM. Cheers.
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On June 06 2013 12:58 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Hey everyone, I'm looking to either borrow an NA account for the summer or trade something for one. Everything level 20+ would work, although a level 30 is preferred. I was 2k elo in EUW in season 2, and I've never even gotten a warning (so manner yo). Would really appreciate a PM. Cheers.
My smurf is lvl 18... let me know.
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I can no longer carry games and not feed. I can't correctly make play calls anymore 
feels like I degenerated
and i decayed down to silver league from gold lol
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On June 06 2013 13:18 Kenpachi wrote:I can no longer carry games and not feed. I can't correctly make play calls anymore feels like I degenerated and i decayed down to silver league from gold lol
Take a break, play ARAMs, have fun. go back to ranked, suffer. gg
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ARAM can be full of suffering too if the RNG gods are against you. It's already a given your team sucks, too. 
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On June 06 2013 13:30 Craton wrote:ARAM can be full of suffering too if the RNG gods are against you. It's already a given your team sucks, too.
The only thing i hate about ARAM is i always play with friends who know nothing about LoL meta and just complain and bitch about everything, ive heard literally every champ in the game called OP because they feed, they feed most games too, which isnt bad as long as they didnt moan constantly about OP this and OP that lmao. Their suggestions on how to play and build are of the most epic caliber however <trollface.jpg> :3
ARAM is relaxing enough even with crappy RNG lol
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i decided to " main" vlad but after 60 games i think hes weaker toplaner than rumble(alteast my results show that), his early game sucks and puts almost 0 pressure on enemy laner, he doesnt do much during ganks(harder to snowball) and has no cc, yes at lvl9(after revolver) power spike is huge and he can win lane vs pretty much anyone but lack of strong early game can sometimes straight up lose the game before that point (cant help much during invades, pretty bad roaming potential etc)
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On June 06 2013 13:21 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 13:18 Kenpachi wrote:I can no longer carry games and not feed. I can't correctly make play calls anymore feels like I degenerated and i decayed down to silver league from gold lol Take a break, play ARAMs, have fun. go back to ranked, suffer. gg
I don't do ARAMs. they're not really fun.
I wanna be good again
people are yelling at me for picking quinn. i dont get it :/
whats generally acceptable for ad carries now?
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On June 06 2013 13:51 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 13:21 ketchup wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Kenpachi wrote:I can no longer carry games and not feed. I can't correctly make play calls anymore feels like I degenerated and i decayed down to silver league from gold lol Take a break, play ARAMs, have fun. go back to ranked, suffer. gg I don't do ARAMs. they're not really fun. I wanna be good again people are yelling at me for picking quinn. i dont get it :/ whats generally acceptable for ad carries now?
cait, varus, blue ez are the in adcs atm.
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On June 06 2013 13:51 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 13:21 ketchup wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Kenpachi wrote:I can no longer carry games and not feed. I can't correctly make play calls anymore feels like I degenerated and i decayed down to silver league from gold lol Take a break, play ARAMs, have fun. go back to ranked, suffer. gg I don't do ARAMs. they're not really fun. I wanna be good again people are yelling at me for picking quinn. i dont get it :/ whats generally acceptable for ad carries now?
I'm just saying you need to take a break if you are on that big of a tilt. Usually a change of pace helps with things(in this case, my suggestion was ARAM)
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On June 06 2013 09:58 overt wrote:Gosugamers actually has a LoL power rank. But it's kind of dumb to do a LoL power rank the way the scene is set up currently. There are almost no international events due to the way Riot's system works so the only real power rank you could do would be by region and the teams are already ranked by their weekly performance. You don't have multiple leagues in NA so power ranking the LCS teams seems redundant since they'd probably line up exactly how they line up in LCS ranking. Ranking teams in different regions that literally never play against each other is rough too because there's almost no way to fairly assess the strength of all the teams. If you only did a top 10 like the BW power rank where do you put teams like Gambit and Fnatic who probably can compete with Asians but we really haven't seen enough of that interaction to know. What about a team like TSM who's undeniably stronger than every NA team but who you can't fairly put in a top 10 because they've never beaten an Asian team (except maybe SGS?). I really enjoyed the power rank in Brood War. It was well done and accurately gave a good representation of who was on a hot streak since there were so many different leagues everyone played in (ProLeague, OSL, MSL). But in league every pro team plays in only one league, which essentially has their power rank laid out by their record. There are virtually no international events to gauge the strength of OMG or iG compared to Gambit or Fnatic compared to CJ Blaze or MVP Ozone compared to GGU or TSM.
Pretty much nailed it.
Still. I'd love to read a LoL power rank :p
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On June 06 2013 13:47 kongoline wrote:
i decided to " main" vlad but after 60 games i think hes weaker toplaner than rumble(alteast my results show that), his early game sucks and puts almost 0 pressure on enemy laner, he doesnt do much during ganks(harder to snowball) and has no cc, yes at lvl9(after revolver) power spike is huge and he can win lane vs pretty much anyone but lack of strong early game can sometimes straight up lose the game before that point (cant help much during invades, pretty bad roaming potential etc)
You managed to play Vlad for 60 games? Such a feat is definitely worthy of respect. His early game really is horrendous, he should never be played mid. He is viable top, but you need to let your jungler know that unless the gank is super easy, you probably won't be getting a kill and that you're not going to be able to help him invade, either.
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On June 06 2013 13:54 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 13:51 Kenpachi wrote:On June 06 2013 13:21 ketchup wrote:On June 06 2013 13:18 Kenpachi wrote:I can no longer carry games and not feed. I can't correctly make play calls anymore feels like I degenerated and i decayed down to silver league from gold lol Take a break, play ARAMs, have fun. go back to ranked, suffer. gg I don't do ARAMs. they're not really fun. I wanna be good again people are yelling at me for picking quinn. i dont get it :/ whats generally acceptable for ad carries now? cait, varus, blue ez are the in adcs atm.
Ive been seeing a lot of Graves. But, I think that is because, as I have always said, Graves is the ADC you play if you dont like playing ADC.
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