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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3 If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
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NeoIllusions
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
Also Graves/Lulu is the only lane I have any success in with Graves, Obliterate minions and just scoff at the idea of poking or trading because millions of farm. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 06 2013 15:24 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Couldn't an LCS power ranking work for LoL, but for individuals, or maybe for each role? With only 5 instead of 10 since there's a limited number of players. I think a per-role power rank is hard to evaluate because how well a player performs depends a lot on their position on the team and how they work within their team's playstyle. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416124#2 | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 06 2013 15:24 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Couldn't an LCS power ranking work for LoL, but for individuals, or maybe for each role? With only 5 instead of 10 since there's a limited number of players. NA LCS Pre-Summer Power Rankings: 1. Doublelift. - DLift is not the overwhelming force he once was, however he remains the only NA player to even compete (respectively) with comparable Asian players in at least 12 months. 2. WildTurtle. - The switch from Chaox (who was never considered terrible) to Turtle propelled TSM to 1st place in the spring split. Enough Said. 3. Reginald. -Haters gonna hate, but the fact remains that Regi managed to do Regi things in the 2nd Half of NA Spring split, and he remains the shotcaller of the team that looks like a favorite to finish first in NA Summer split. 4. Saintvicious. - Once again, he has he detractors, but when Saint gets First blood his teams win. While a bit inconsistent, his play against Korea in the All Star games demonstrated his value. When Saint is fed, his team has a chance. Unless he misses smite. 5. Patoy. - Incomprehensibly left off the NA Allstars, he was the driving force behind Dignitas throughout the Spring split. Look for Patoy to keep making plays into the summer season. Honorable mentions: Link - Looking to be CLG's rock to start the summer. Dyrus - Safest top NA. Voyboy - Most Crazy Top NA. xspecial - Played well at all stars. Mancloud- The reason Vulcan did not face the up/down matches. Qtpie- Cus people love the hair. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On June 06 2013 15:49 Capped wrote: I. Finally. Finished it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416124#2 Draven has the Mundo poll in it Also, nice. Voted for most champs That feeling when you will never own kitty cat kat... fuck | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On June 06 2013 16:11 OutlaW- wrote: Draven has the Mundo poll in it Also, nice. Voted for most champs That feeling when you will never own kitty cat kat... fuck Yeah fixed ^_^ | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
On June 06 2013 15:49 Capped wrote: I. Finally. Finished it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416124#2 impressive | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On June 06 2013 15:37 TheYango wrote: I think a per-role power rank is hard to evaluate because how well a player performs depends a lot on their position on the team and how they work within their team's playstyle. This is incredibly true but I think there are notable exceptions. When a player rises above and performs ridiculously well despite being on a weaker team it's pretty obvious that they're incredibly talented. The best examples of this in the NA scene would be LiNk who performed well on CLG despite the fact that their top laner, jungler, and support were very iffy and Doublelift was really inconsistent during Spring Split. Mandatorycloud who dictated the flow of Vulcun's games better than any other NA mid laner (including Regi). Nientonsoh who has performed well in both the ADC and AP mid role on several weak teams across numerous LANs. Daydreamin whose good attitude and clutch plays were vital to carrying GGU into #2 in NA during LCS play-offs and the last part of the Spring Split (to be fair though, NintendudeX and ZionSpartan played beautifully in the play-offs and probably carry that team harder than Daydreamin). To be fair to some of the other teams it's much more difficult to judge when you have teams like Curse where everyone plays fairly solid (aside from their bot lane), or TSM where every player is very strong in their role, or even Dignitas which has a wide depth of talent and no really stand out players. I mean sure, there are obvious strong players like Doublelift, saint, or Reginald but those players are often a bit overrated. I think it's far more telling to see how a player performs on a 'weak' team than it is to see how a player performs on a 'strong' team. But that really just compounds the problem for creating a player power ranking as you already pointed out. Also, and I realize that power rank is all a matter of opinion, but it is my opinion that WildTurtle is the most overrated player in NA. Dyrus, Regi, and OddOne are all way more vital to TSM success than Turtle imoimoimo. You could also probably argue that part of Turtle's strength comes from Xpecial. Kid's legitimately good but the fact that you have #1 and #2 as ADCs when Double had a shit LCS showing and Turtle was no where near as good looking as others near the end of LCS makes very little sense to me personally. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 06 2013 15:50 cLutZ wrote: NA LCS Pre-Summer Power Rankings: 1. Doublelift. - DLift is not the overwhelming force he once was, however he remains the only NA player to even compete (respectively) with comparable Asian players in at least 12 months. 2. WildTurtle. - The switch from Chaox (who was never considered terrible) to Turtle propelled TSM to 1st place in the spring split. Enough Said. 3. Reginald. -Haters gonna hate, but the fact remains that Regi managed to do Regi things in the 2nd Half of NA Spring split, and he remains the shotcaller of the team that looks like a favorite to finish first in NA Summer split. 4. Saintvicious. - Once again, he has he detractors, but when Saint gets First blood his teams win. While a bit inconsistent, his play against Korea in the All Star games demonstrated his value. When Saint is fed, his team has a chance. Unless he misses smite. 5. Patoy. - Incomprehensibly left off the NA Allstars, he was the driving force behind Dignitas throughout the Spring split. Look for Patoy to keep making plays into the summer season. Honorable mentions: Link - Looking to be CLG's rock to start the summer. Dyrus - Safest top NA. Voyboy - Most Crazy Top NA. xspecial - Played well at all stars. Mancloud- The reason Vulcan did not face the up/down matches. Qtpie- Cus people love the hair. Nyjacky, bloodwater, and zionspartan are crying in a corner for no mentions. Also, WT overrated as fuck. "whoa guys he has 3 smurfs in challenger" as if that wasn't a feat already accomplished by a fuckton of pros before him, but no one really gave them hype over it. TSM reddit circlejerk is real feat of ignorance. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Think of it as the Kevin Love effect. On June 06 2013 16:30 wei2coolman wrote: Nyjacky, bloodwater, and zionspartan are crying in a corner for no mentions. I had to cut us off somewhere! Bloodwater, Nyjacky, and someone from Cloud9 (Cris?) probably deserved HM, but I got tired. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 06 2013 16:31 cLutZ wrote: You see, I agree with your Wildturtle sentiments, but he gave us the most demonstrated value this last season. I will disagree with 1 of your main points though. I do not think, in the pros, looking good on a worse team necessarily demonstrates more. Think of it as the Kevin Love effect. I think WT trade demonstrated the kind of change happens when you switch from passive ADC to aggressive ADC. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 06 2013 16:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Wildturtle was a straight upgrade over Chaox. If he's good in his own right we'll see. When he's compared to all the other AD's in NA, it shouldn't be difficult to see why he's rated so highly. He's middle of the pack in terms of NA LCS imo. I'd have qtpie, nien, and dl above him. Putting him around 4th~ in NA LCS, which is a average position. And the ADC's during spring LCS weren't that far behind from WT's skill. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
In Brood War it's much easier. Which individual player had the best record. Who is most likely to beat everyone else in ideal conditions. This is really hard to evaluate in League. A player can have great performance but his team can lose all the time. A player can have terrible stats but carry his team to victory despite a poor KDA. Or a player can have great stats, be on a winning team, and look incredibly mediocre. Good stats, winning team, looking average is basically the Cop effect. But at the end of the day you'd be hard pressed to have not placed Cop on a power rank or given him an honorable mention during the early parts of LCS as he was doing his job for his team well. Also doing a generic ranking causes other issues...aren't you very likely to ignore a role with a more nuanced effect on the outcome of the game (jungle/support) while focusing on roles that more overtly carry a team (ADC/mid/top)? I think that, if you absolutely positively have to, do a power ranking you'd have to do it by role to essentially have five power ranks in one. I'd also recommend doing 4 or less per role for the LCS teams since it's 8 teams and having more than 50% of the players in a power rank kind of defeats the purpose of a power rank. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 06 2013 15:49 Capped wrote: I. Finally. Finished it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416124#2 You know when you PM'd me about this. I suggested one poll per day and you'd just update the OP with the result. If you do it like you did now, people just mass vote and it's pretty much a done thread. zzz | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On June 06 2013 16:41 NeoIllusions wrote: You know when you PM'd me about this. I suggested one poll per day and you'd just update the OP with the result. If you do it like you did now, people just mass vote and it's pretty much a done thread. zzz I uh..oops?  I figured i'd rotate the daily champ and people would discuss it whether they've voted already or not. I guess i could remove them all and do it that way if you'd like. I thought it would just be a place to discuss skins in with polls for each champ accordingly, the voting is just a small part of the thread imo | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On June 06 2013 16:43 Capped wrote: I uh..oops? I figured i'd rotate the daily champ and people would discuss it whether they've voted already or not. I guess i could remove them all and do it that way if you'd like. I thought it would just be a place to discuss skins in with polls for each champ accordingly, the voting is just a small part of the thread imo I don't envy you btw. Did you figure out what you're gonna do when a champion gets a new skin? Just create a new poll for that champion to start from scratch or let the thread just be super outdated come next year...?  | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 06 2013 16:43 Capped wrote: I uh..oops? I figured i'd rotate the daily champ and people would discuss it whether they've voted already or not. I guess i could remove them all and do it that way if you'd like. I thought it would just be a place to discuss skins in with polls for each champ accordingly, the voting is just a small part of the thread imo It's fine, set it up however you want. I'm sure that OP took a lot of time. | ||
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