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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On May 24 2013 12:24 cLutZ wrote: QFT. He used to be balanced around hitting ~50% of axes. Now hes weak even if you are at like 90% One of the worst recent examples of Riot swinging the nerf bat much too hard. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On May 24 2013 12:48 wussleeQ wrote: you know, now that i think about it, the esports meter likely got filled because a pizza 50% off is likely going to entice a lot of people. This type of stuff shows up on say... slickdeals and people jump all over it. That actually makes a lot of sense. Too bad  On the plus side I don't think slickdeals ads by themselves would generate as many new customers as having an entirely new market talk about it with their friends. Selling things at half off is usually selling at loss. I doubt Papa Johns is selling at loss even with the coupon but their primary goal was probably to attract new customers. Something they can't do by putting ads on slickdeals all the time/ever since those people will go to any cheap pizza place and have seen other pizza coupons. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On May 24 2013 12:43 onlywonderboy wrote: One of the worst recent examples of Riot swinging the nerf bat much too hard. When you design a snowball like that, it's either broken or weak. It's a fundamental issue with the design. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
was denied a quadra | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Passive: AS Steroid that scales with lost HP Q: Linear Skillshot slow. Has a CD reset. W: Active Vamp/LS/AD steroid (AD scales with max HP) E: Single target nuke (True damage) R: Active CC Immunity for Duration (Also gives ArP, MRes, Armor) (Formerly had a passive effect as well) The things in the brackets are not essential to keeping Olaf Olaf. E doesn't need to be true damage (he wasn't nerfed because of E neways), and if you switch that you could make it scale. However, making his things scale with HP makes the most sense because he is not an assassin, and doesn't have the utility to be a true tank. In fact, I don't know if we brought back old Olaf he would even need to be nerfed now that people have figured out ways to deal with 2v1 in interesting ways in the pro scene (he always was mediocre SOLOQ). On May 24 2013 13:34 gtrsrs wrote: i feel the opposite do you remember the january lcs qualifiers? every game was decided by who got olaf... he was massively overpowered and a champ that has cc immunity needs to be extra weak to compensate. item nerfs on top of his own nerfs probably pushed him a bit too far under but he's one of the champs i don't mind seeing gone. once he got ahead there was literally nothing you could do to catch up, regardless of matchup. one axe and you were DONE SON Yea, and everyone was doing 3v1 dives and donating blue buffs at lvl 1. The game is incredibly different. Plus as you noted his mid-lategame got hurt badly by the Warmogs/Sunfire/Locket nerfs. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On May 24 2013 12:43 onlywonderboy wrote: One of the worst recent examples of Riot swinging the nerf bat much too hard. i feel the opposite do you remember the january lcs qualifiers? every game was decided by who got olaf... he was massively overpowered and a champ that has cc immunity needs to be extra weak to compensate. item nerfs on top of his own nerfs probably pushed him a bit too far under but he's one of the champs i don't mind seeing gone. once he got ahead there was literally nothing you could do to catch up, regardless of matchup. one axe and you were DONE SON | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On May 24 2013 13:34 gtrsrs wrote: i feel the opposite do you remember the january lcs qualifiers? every game was decided by who got olaf... he was massively overpowered and a champ that has cc immunity needs to be extra weak to compensate. item nerfs on top of his own nerfs probably pushed him a bit too far under but he's one of the champs i don't mind seeing gone. once he got ahead there was literally nothing you could do to catch up, regardless of matchup. one axe and you were DONE SON I mean I agree he needed looking into, but I still think they went a little too far. I know win rates aren't everything, but he literally has the lowest win rate of any champ right now. That's pretty crazy. | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
Notable "plays" included: Krepo/Froggen/YellowPete 3-man diving their bot lane, but Krepo missed his Zyra ulti completely while tanking turret then got Crescendo'd. Irelia being chased 1v4 for like one minute with double digit HP and living with Snoopeh diving into the whole team. The adc distracting all of EG with blue buff while the rest of the team did Baron. Also I'm done playing for tonight, this lag/ping right now is ridiculous. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 24 2013 13:50 NeoIllusions wrote: They probably overdid Olaf. That's my take. He was a real pain in the ass to play against if he even got the slightest bit fed, you can only kite him for so long as ADC before he catches you and theres no way to stop him from getting up your ass and killing you either | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
He went from being a complete monster to almost never being played in the span of one patch. It isn't because people are like "oh he got nerfed, he must be terrible now," he's legitimately awful. He can't do his job anymore with the Q slow nonsense. I mean everything else they changed I was okay with, I took one look at the q nerf and went "whelp, guess I can't play Olaf anymore." They could have just reduced the slow by 5% at all levels (maybe a bit more?) instead of having it fade, and he probably would have been perfectly fine. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Olaf's laning was snowbally before, but the axe nerf alone was enough to reduce a huge element of snowball. He doesn't even snowball as hard as other more popular top laners. Every popular top laner right now can allin you at any time if you get close to creeps(you can farm from range with a lot of them, but that's another point). Olaf can't even do that right now without using a summoner. The thing is post patch he had like 10% pick rate after the nerfs. He still had 40% winrate. Diana got nerfed to about there, but a lot of it was massive QQ because people weren't getting free wins any more, and was such a big change to her kit that people had to relearn her. People just didn't try to make Diana work. People did try to make Olaf work. There wasn't anything to relearn about Olaf either, he just straight up went from an average soloq pick to almost unplayable. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 24 2013 13:53 arb wrote: He was a real pain in the ass to play against if he even got the slightest bit fed, you can only kite him for so long as ADC before he catches you and theres no way to stop him from getting up your ass and killing you either A fed bruiser able to kill the AD Carry? Oh the horror. Olaf is the perfect example of a champ we should want to be strong, because he HAS to do sustained damage, and he HAS to play well to do that sustained damage. But in reality he was just the first of many safe toplaners that have tumbled as a result of the 2v1 meta. This group also includes Katarina, Nidalee, Singed, Elise, and Rumble (Also arguably Kha/Zac/Zed, but they were released IBMA for multiple roles). It is likely to soon also include: Renekton and Shen. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
One of this would have to go if olaf wants to be balanced in both pro and scrub play. His skillcap is way too high, even progamers* can't use him. *of a certain NA variety | ||
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JeosAdn
Costa Rica432 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 24 2013 14:21 JeosAdn wrote: I don't know if I read that discussion here or elsewhere, but does anyone here uses a hand position different from "Riot's Way"? I put my ring finger on Q and use index for E and R. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
EDIT: I'm left-handed, but I've always played games with keyboard-left and mouse-right. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I also rebound skills to 1234, dumb cast on ctrl+key, and items to qwerty though, so my key setup is probably much different than most people. | ||
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