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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 30 2013 04:22 GMT
#141
On April 30 2013 12:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 12:56 sylverfyre wrote:
On April 30 2013 12:50 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 30 2013 11:39 Craton wrote:
On April 30 2013 11:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 30 2013 10:38 xMiragex wrote:
On April 30 2013 10:36 kongoline wrote:
but what will u buy with rejuv on ap like kat or rumble?


you sell it...i think it takes 3 minutes of healing with it so it pays off in pots

it also affects morde hue


On Mordekaiser you can also consider getting Spirit Stone and the spellvamp jungle item late on, so starting beads isn't too bad.

However, I still think on Morde you might as well go Amp Tome + 1pot. Shove the lane as hard as you can, then back around 3:30 to avoid the first red buff jungle gank (assuming you are facing a blue-start jungler).

Jungler's first doublebuff gank should be much closer to 3 minutes.


With a smiteless blue? Maybe.

If you choose to do wolves -> smiteless blue -> red -> gank, then I will just hand you the FB for your efforts. Most people around my level don't try that hard. Also not every jungler can do it.

That's like... the standard route now, isn't it? I see it 80% of the time hwen im top lane, which is why I super-value the openings that let me have a ward.


Skipping wraiths AND doubles? I doubt it. Or at least I have rarely seen it.

Nautilus' the only jungler I know that can't do it (he can, but he really, really, really shouldn't). All the others can.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17239 Posts
April 30 2013 04:22 GMT
#142
On April 30 2013 12:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 12:56 sylverfyre wrote:
On April 30 2013 12:50 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 30 2013 11:39 Craton wrote:
On April 30 2013 11:05 Sufficiency wrote:
On April 30 2013 10:38 xMiragex wrote:
On April 30 2013 10:36 kongoline wrote:
but what will u buy with rejuv on ap like kat or rumble?


you sell it...i think it takes 3 minutes of healing with it so it pays off in pots

it also affects morde hue


On Mordekaiser you can also consider getting Spirit Stone and the spellvamp jungle item late on, so starting beads isn't too bad.

However, I still think on Morde you might as well go Amp Tome + 1pot. Shove the lane as hard as you can, then back around 3:30 to avoid the first red buff jungle gank (assuming you are facing a blue-start jungler).

Jungler's first doublebuff gank should be much closer to 3 minutes.


With a smiteless blue? Maybe.

If you choose to do wolves -> smiteless blue -> red -> gank, then I will just hand you the FB for your efforts. Most people around my level don't try that hard. Also not every jungler can do it.

That's like... the standard route now, isn't it? I see it 80% of the time hwen im top lane, which is why I super-value the openings that let me have a ward.


Skipping wraiths AND doubles? I doubt it. Or at least I have rarely seen it.

It's more common to do that than it is to not do it. You base it primarily off the starting items (i.e. wards) and how the lane is starting to push. There's usually a lane open enough to at least force a flash. It's worth so much more to set someone behind early than to clear wraiths.
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Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
April 30 2013 04:27 GMT
#143
On April 30 2013 12:56 onlywonderboy wrote:
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On April 30 2013 12:39 TheYango wrote:
She better be able to E->R->E.

I have bad news for you...

From the spotlight it didn't look like her E travesl long enough for the duration of self R to wear off before you can teleport to your E again
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schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
April 30 2013 04:36 GMT
#144
Sufficiency, I really don't like amp + pot on morde. Regen wards pots should still be fine for him especially since you can build spectral wraith and in a level dependant lane like mid I don't like super early backs.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
April 30 2013 04:37 GMT
#145
On April 30 2013 12:19 cLutZ wrote:
Seems alot like Morg with that Ult.

Zhonyas core IMO.

Except Lissandra already has a built-in zhonya's on that ult

A second zhonya's would be hilarious but it'd be like building zhonya's on elise or fizz or vlad
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
April 30 2013 04:38 GMT
#146
amp + pot was never a good opening for mid lane just cause everything is gonna outsustain you at that point
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 04:46:22
April 30 2013 04:39 GMT
#147
On April 30 2013 13:37 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 12:19 cLutZ wrote:
Seems alot like Morg with that Ult.

Zhonyas core IMO.

Except Lissandra already has a built-in zhonya's on that ult

A second zhonya's would be hilarious but it'd be like building zhonya's on elise or fizz or vlad


i've seen quiiiiite a few zhonya's on vlad in LCS.

i think riot's design philosophy makes it so that playing to a champ's strengths rather than trying to compensate for his or her weaknesses is generally how you build stuff. so if you're invincible, get more invincible.

what i thought was really cool though is that the turret will still focus lissandra when she's supposedly invincible according to the champ spotlight.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17239 Posts
April 30 2013 04:40 GMT
#148
On April 30 2013 13:37 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 12:19 cLutZ wrote:
Seems alot like Morg with that Ult.

Zhonyas core IMO.

Except Lissandra already has a built-in zhonya's on that ult

A second zhonya's would be hilarious but it'd be like building zhonya's on elise or fizz or vlad

So what you're saying is that it's a must-buy.
twitch.tv/cratonz
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
April 30 2013 04:41 GMT
#149
On April 30 2013 13:37 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 12:19 cLutZ wrote:
Seems alot like Morg with that Ult.

Zhonyas core IMO.

Except Lissandra already has a built-in zhonya's on that ult

A second zhonya's would be hilarious but it'd be like building zhonya's on elise or fizz or vlad


Zhonyas is awesome on Vlad...
Freeeeeeedom
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 30 2013 04:43 GMT
#150
On April 30 2013 13:37 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 12:19 cLutZ wrote:
Seems alot like Morg with that Ult.

Zhonyas core IMO.

Except Lissandra already has a built-in zhonya's on that ult

A second zhonya's would be hilarious but it'd be like building zhonya's on elise or fizz or vlad

Zhonyas is like a core item on Vlad and all the high elo Fizz players I've seen the past month and a halfish pretty much all went lich -> zhonya.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 30 2013 04:59 GMT
#151
On April 30 2013 13:37 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 12:19 cLutZ wrote:
Seems alot like Morg with that Ult.

Zhonyas core IMO.

Except Lissandra already has a built-in zhonya's on that ult

A second zhonya's would be hilarious but it'd be like building zhonya's on elise or fizz or vlad

Zhonyas is a must-buy on every champ you mentioned except maybe Elise.

Zhonyas is great on Fizz and Vlad 'cause the 2 seconds can buy you precious time for your stuff to come off cd and they're often in the midst of the team fight so they benefit greatly from the tankiness.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 30 2013 05:02 GMT
#152
On April 30 2013 13:27 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 12:56 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 30 2013 12:39 TheYango wrote:
She better be able to E->R->E.

I have bad news for you...

From the spotlight it didn't look like her E travesl long enough for the duration of self R to wear off before you can teleport to your E again

My testing on the PBE says otherwise. I mashed on E while I was inside my ult but I never teleported to it. Not sure how long the E lasts, but I think it's less than 1.5 seconds. I didn't try self casting R, so maybe that would save like a fraction of a second, not sure if that would make the difference.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
April 30 2013 05:09 GMT
#153
On April 30 2013 13:37 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 12:19 cLutZ wrote:
Seems alot like Morg with that Ult.

Zhonyas core IMO.

Except Lissandra already has a built-in zhonya's on that ult

A second zhonya's would be hilarious but it'd be like building zhonya's on elise or fizz or vlad


Building zhonya's is actually pretty standard on all 3 of those champs that you mentioned if you are looking for tankyness/damage.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 05:11:20
April 30 2013 05:11 GMT
#154
On April 30 2013 13:38 Frolossus wrote:
amp + pot was never a good opening for mid lane just cause everything is gonna outsustain you at that point


Which is fine if you just want to stay in lane for 2 waves.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17239 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 05:30:11
April 30 2013 05:29 GMT
#155
Backing at 3:30 means 4 waves with the 5th just arriving.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Argoth.
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1961 Posts
April 30 2013 05:33 GMT
#156
I like how Quinn dies in like every fight in the spotlight "highlighting" her buffs. Also RIP many manaless champions
Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
April 30 2013 05:51 GMT
#157
On April 30 2013 14:33 Argoth. wrote:
I like how Quinn dies in like every fight in the spotlight "highlighting" her buffs. Also RIP many manaless champions

Yeah it's pretty funny how it just shows her going bird form, flying into 3 people and just dying.


How feasible would it be for an organization (Teamliquid?!?!) to take a promising team of Koreans, maybe one of the 100+ teams that tried to qualify for OGN, bring them to USA and try to qualify for NA LCS? Is there some sort of rule against that? After watching OGN, NA LCS seems like child's play.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
April 30 2013 06:09 GMT
#158
I have fallen into despair. Normals is getting awful. Add me at ggFrosty. We shall play.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
April 30 2013 06:23 GMT
#159
On April 30 2013 14:02 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 13:27 Nos- wrote:
On April 30 2013 12:56 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 30 2013 12:39 TheYango wrote:
She better be able to E->R->E.

I have bad news for you...

From the spotlight it didn't look like her E travesl long enough for the duration of self R to wear off before you can teleport to your E again

My testing on the PBE says otherwise. I mashed on E while I was inside my ult but I never teleported to it. Not sure how long the E lasts, but I think it's less than 1.5 seconds. I didn't try self casting R, so maybe that would save like a fraction of a second, not sure if that would make the difference.


That's so disappointing. They need to like increase the range by a slight amount and also lower the projectile speed(to keep it basically balanced the same) so that it works. It's 1 thing to not be able to E->Zhonya's->E, but to not even be able to use her ult to ensure her escape sucks.

Anyhow, does anyone that's played her on PBE have an idea of how mana hungry she is? Passive seems like it won't help that much, and I want to know if she's a tear->core or more like Diana with the D-ring or 2->core without running around bitching about mana every time you want to shove a wave or 2.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 30 2013 06:30 GMT
#160
On April 30 2013 14:51 Leeto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2013 14:33 Argoth. wrote:
I like how Quinn dies in like every fight in the spotlight "highlighting" her buffs. Also RIP many manaless champions

Yeah it's pretty funny how it just shows her going bird form, flying into 3 people and just dying.


How feasible would it be for an organization (Teamliquid?!?!) to take a promising team of Koreans, maybe one of the 100+ teams that tried to qualify for OGN, bring them to USA and try to qualify for NA LCS? Is there some sort of rule against that? After watching OGN, NA LCS seems like child's play.

It's based on residency not citizenship, so they would have to get green cards or work visas (or something along those lines, I'm not sure how NA work stuff works exactly). Not impossible but there are some hoops to jump through.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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