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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 01 2013 19:06 GMT
#601
On May 02 2013 02:49 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 02:41 divinesage wrote:
How would you rank the All-Star ADCs in terms of skill?

Uzi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pray ~ dl >>>>>>>> whatever scrub they have for eu.

It's more like:

Weixiao>Pray=Bebe=DLift on form>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yellowpete=DLift like he's been playing recently
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 01 2013 19:08 GMT
#602
Wx not playing despite being chosen though, and bebe not playing it's the sgs adc, of whom I have no data on.
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 01 2013 19:12 GMT
#603
On May 02 2013 02:41 Alaric wrote:
Wave confirmed for father. That's why he has so little patience, the baby doesn't let him get any sleep.

This made me think of our AHGL highlight video.
I'm sitting there with a crib and all sorts of baby shit in the background filming myself to answer interview questions for AHGL. Upon showing this video (not that anyone watching the stream could see/hear anything for more than 5 seconds, thanks Day[9]) I remember one comment from Twitch chat: "Wow this guy needs to fucking clean his room."

I HAVE A FUCKING 4 MONTH OLD INFANT. Go back to living off of mommy and daddy with not a care in the world you 15-year old children.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
May 01 2013 19:13 GMT
#604
On May 02 2013 04:00 TSBspartacus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 03:54 Ketara wrote:
What's up with Wriggles Lantern these days.

Is there any time when it's a correct item to build?

I thought the conventional wisdom was it was just always bad all the time and you should just be sticking on Madreds if you're one of the few junglers who actually still uses Madreds over Elder Lizard.

If that's the case, why is it even still in the game, because people still build it.

It's bad. What with sightstone being a much better pikup if you want the wards and better items to put the lifestone on theres no point. I get madreds and vamp sceptre on Nocturne, but rarely upgrade to lantern since there's not that much point to be honest.
I would buy it if I was somehow fed enough to grab it on my first back, but even then there's probably a few better items you could grab instead. It is really cheap though, just if you don't need the lifesteal then it's a pointless buy that slows down your other items which offer a lot more in terms of ganking and getting your laners fed.


Thats a terrible argument
IF you have madreds and vamp sceptre its 100 gold for 300 gold worth of stats, 75 gold worth of a ward, and 5 gp/10 in wards.
A sightstone cost 475 gold for 150 gold worth of wards and takes 6-7 minutes just to break even and meanwhile you can spend 100 gold for wriggles and get a stat boost and 75 gold of a ward straight away.

The main reasons people don't buy wriggles
1: Most junglers don't need AD that much at least early game
2: Most junglers only use lifesteal for jungle, other than that its a deadweight stat
3: Junglers fall behind in levels but still need to be tanky and at low levels hp is far and away the most effective health stat
4: Spirit stone offers better damage and tank stat options and wriggles is a dead end

The difference between wriggles and boots with a null magic nd boots and spirit of the ancient golem is pretty huge ehp wise, it clears better and is more cost efficient.
If you want madreds locket is the logical item to rush because of how much hp you get for a cheap item and also gives some other useful stats all game (hp regen and armour)
aka Teutonica
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
May 01 2013 19:18 GMT
#605
If you want to be that support who builds selfishly/real items instead of gp10 cause you're snowballing (like a sunfire on ali or a NLR on soraka, etc.) what do you build on lulu? Sheen -> lichbane? Haunting guise? Deathcap?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 01 2013 19:19 GMT
#606
Elder Lizard + Locket = better offensive set for Janglers.

RIP Wriggle's.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 19:27:01
May 01 2013 19:26 GMT
#607
Basically Rejuv Bead items are OP for junglers (Aegis, Locket, Spirit Stone), so there's zero reason to use Lifesteal as your health sustain stat.
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Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
May 01 2013 19:28 GMT
#608
On May 02 2013 04:13 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 04:00 TSBspartacus wrote:
On May 02 2013 03:54 Ketara wrote:
What's up with Wriggles Lantern these days.

Is there any time when it's a correct item to build?

I thought the conventional wisdom was it was just always bad all the time and you should just be sticking on Madreds if you're one of the few junglers who actually still uses Madreds over Elder Lizard.

If that's the case, why is it even still in the game, because people still build it.

It's bad. What with sightstone being a much better pikup if you want the wards and better items to put the lifestone on theres no point. I get madreds and vamp sceptre on Nocturne, but rarely upgrade to lantern since there's not that much point to be honest.
I would buy it if I was somehow fed enough to grab it on my first back, but even then there's probably a few better items you could grab instead. It is really cheap though, just if you don't need the lifesteal then it's a pointless buy that slows down your other items which offer a lot more in terms of ganking and getting your laners fed.


Thats a terrible argument
IF you have madreds and vamp sceptre its 100 gold for 300 gold worth of stats, 75 gold worth of a ward, and 5 gp/10 in wards.
A sightstone cost 475 gold for 150 gold worth of wards and takes 6-7 minutes just to break even and meanwhile you can spend 100 gold for wriggles and get a stat boost and 75 gold of a ward straight away.

The main reasons people don't buy wriggles
1: Most junglers don't need AD that much at least early game
2: Most junglers only use lifesteal for jungle, other than that its a deadweight stat
3: Junglers fall behind in levels but still need to be tanky and at low levels hp is far and away the most effective health stat
4: Spirit stone offers better damage and tank stat options and wriggles is a dead end

The difference between wriggles and boots with a null magic nd boots and spirit of the ancient golem is pretty huge ehp wise, it clears better and is more cost efficient.
If you want madreds locket is the logical item to rush because of how much hp you get for a cheap item and also gives some other useful stats all game (hp regen and armour)


I've had this problem since the start of season 3 and I still have it, where I find it extremely difficult to skirmish whatsoever in the early game with a spirit stone. I try to go fight the enemy 2v2 and just get crushed, or I spend any extended about of time vs a solo laner and lose the majority of my hp. It doesn't really seem like much, the madred's armor helps you significantly in almost all ad jungler cases in being relevant in small fights in the laning phase. On udyr, for example, I always go madred's instead of spirit stone, even though ancient golem and the mana regen are really good on him, because i like to itemize for the early game 2v2s or 3v3s.

That being said, it's not really worth it to finish the wriggles unless you're like lee sin (which case, why not?), since you can buy a kindlegem instead and it'd be better.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 01 2013 19:35 GMT
#609
So, trundle is dumb. Im pretty sure i could build anything on him and just stomp my way up the ladder. Currently going with The HP Spirit thing, into Locket or Bulwark depending on the enemy team. Usually get a zeke's after so I can start soloing things.

His Dueling is most likely unbeatable. I've yet to find someone except maybe fiddle who can beat him 1v1 in the jungle on equal level.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Jizla
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland235 Posts
May 01 2013 20:00 GMT
#610
Just about to start aram match, teams:

Shen, mumu, Sona (me), eve and blitz vs fiddle, lux, diana, zyra and kass....


soooo much magic poke!!!!
Vanished.... Like a wrinkly ninja.....
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 01 2013 20:05 GMT
#611
Unless your opponent builds tons of HP right off the bat or is Nunu or something (in which case the HP drain may beat what it was before), Trundle's the same as before.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 20:15:54
May 01 2013 20:15 GMT
#612
Well his Q deals more dmg and his W is better if the opponent doesn't have hard CC but yeah, trundle's always been unbeatable in the jungle His pillar feels like it disables the opponent for like a second though, pretty strong if you aim it on their head.

Last game my team's Ahri got 13-3-7 score and I felt jealous
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 01 2013 20:15 GMT
#613
Wriggle's problem is that it is situational, but with a rare situation. Also if you have madreds + vamp building wriggles isn't always logical because then you are 1100 Gold further away from whatever legit Vamp item you wanted otherwise.

Freeeeeeedom
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
May 01 2013 20:16 GMT
#614
It's just a FoTM thing champions that don't get played much you don't see do well so you assume they suck
when a champ gets changed (wasnt really even a buff) then its like omg he's so op
aka Teutonica
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
May 01 2013 20:20 GMT
#615
On May 02 2013 01:38 Ketara wrote:
What does TIL stand for anyway.


TIL "TIL"
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
HOOG
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada52 Posts
May 01 2013 20:22 GMT
#616
On May 02 2013 04:18 Vanka wrote:
If you want to be that support who builds selfishly/real items instead of gp10 cause you're snowballing (like a sunfire on ali or a NLR on soraka, etc.) what do you build on lulu? Sheen -> lichbane? Haunting guise? Deathcap?


I get Phantom Dancer when wrecking face with Lulu (it doesn't happen often). Too funny watching Pix try to keep up :D
1250 ELO too stronk!
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
May 01 2013 20:23 GMT
#617
On May 02 2013 05:05 Alaric wrote:
Unless your opponent builds tons of HP right off the bat or is Nunu or something (in which case the HP drain may beat what it was before), Trundle's the same as before.

Basically. People just forgot how godly his jungle dueling was (though the minislow on Q helps him stick better), because SSOTP.

What's everyone's thoughts on Sej rework?
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
May 01 2013 20:24 GMT
#618
On May 02 2013 05:22 HOOG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 04:18 Vanka wrote:
If you want to be that support who builds selfishly/real items instead of gp10 cause you're snowballing (like a sunfire on ali or a NLR on soraka, etc.) what do you build on lulu? Sheen -> lichbane? Haunting guise? Deathcap?


I get Phantom Dancer when wrecking face with Lulu (it doesn't happen often). Too funny watching Pix try to keep up :D

In that case just get a Hurricane and watch Pix shoot 3 people at even higher speed.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 01 2013 20:24 GMT
#619
I'm not 100% sold on Wriggles being dead yet. I started experimenting with SotEL on Nocturne and I won a game but I REALLY missed the lifesteal. It's so much harder to dragon/baron with spirit over wriggles. I still started 5-0-0 but that's largely because I'm a baller on Nocturne and not so much because of item. It did look pretty when I q'd things, though.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 20:40:46
May 01 2013 20:33 GMT
#620
On May 02 2013 04:26 TheYango wrote:
Basically Rejuv Bead items are OP for junglers (Aegis, Locket, Spirit Stone), so there's zero reason to use Lifesteal as your health sustain stat.

I think that more so has to do with the fact it costs 800 for lifesteal now, instead of 450.



I think I've figured out why Kr/China/Tawian scene so much better than NA/EU.
All of these regions have huge PC cafe/bang scenes, and paying for time on computer = don't want to wast time. That means no trolling, and super serious all the time.
liftlift > tsm
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