EPTcait played properly absolutely rapes vayne, and lulu generally shits on Leona, as well. And that's not even considering that Vayne+Leona is super strange/weak lanecombo.
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
cait played properly absolutely rapes vayne, and lulu generally shits on Leona, as well. And that's not even considering that Vayne+Leona is super strange/weak lanecombo. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Bad picks. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Other then the lane being completely fucked from picks, her telling me to pressure at level 1 was a wrong move right? thanks xD | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Sometimes... they aren't all terrible at that now, so most of the time they'll still just laugh and poke you.  (Then you're all "EAT THAT" once you get level 2-3 and you laugh last.) | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
But yeah the main problem is that at level 1 Vayne will lose 1/2 of her HP bar walking up to her first cs vs cait+lulu and as Leona you can't really do much =D | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:09 Alaric wrote: (Then you're all "EAT THAT" once you get level 2-3 and you laugh last.) Lol yeah, i hit 3 and we double killed them but it wasnt the point of my story xD She raged at me the entire game just for that initial thing and unfriended me after lol. I was just sure i was in the right regarding it. I suppose it didnt help i failed a couple times and killstole after that either, but thats hardly the end of the world, it was once from her and she was like 6/1 xD Maybe she just had a bad day, idk. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:12 Capped wrote: Lol yeah, i hit 3 and we double killed them but it wasnt the point of my story xD She raged at me the entire game just for that initial thing and unfriended me after lol. I was just sure i was in the right regarding it. I suppose it didnt help i failed a couple times and killstole after that either, but thats hardly the end of the world, it was once from her and she was like 6/1 xD Maybe she just had a bad day, idk. The lane is at a disadvantage yes, but (I'm not going to pretend this is what that vayne was thinking about, considering she's in gold), but there's a lot to be said about giving your ad space to farm. Pressuring doesn't have to mean throwing your engage in, but it's as walking up and tanking the harass from caitlyn instead of vayne taking it, since you are tankier, and presumably have better regen since you started bead. It seems stupid to just walk up and take damage, but it's better for both champs to take some damage than the ad having half his/her health bar gone (double true in a no-heal lane) because it lets the ad stay in lane longer, and it's much better than the 3 other three people in lane forget you're there cause you're sitting in a bush watiting for level 3. Obviously don't get carried away (i.e. don't get hit by harass when vayne wouldn't be hit by harass, that's just free damage) but I mean if vayne is walking up for a cs and cait moves up to auto her for doing so, if you're in front of vayne, cait will hit you instead of her. This is most of the time the preferable scenario. EDIT: also "every good blitz knows the threat of the pull is stronger pressure on the lane than the pull itself", etc. etc. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1e6lzf/team_mrn_disbands/ | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:41 justiceknight wrote: MRN disbands http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1e6lzf/team_mrn_disbands/ Not surprised. Hopefully players gets picked up by other teams. Definitely some sick talents on that team. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12088 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:25 Vanka wrote: The lane is at a disadvantage yes, but (I'm not going to pretend this is what that vayne was thinking about, considering she's in gold), but there's a lot to be said about giving your ad space to farm. Pressuring doesn't have to mean throwing your engage in, but it's as walking up and tanking the harass from caitlyn instead of vayne taking it, since you are tankier, and presumably have better regen since you started bead. It seems stupid to just walk up and take damage, but it's better for both champs to take some damage than the ad having half his/her health bar gone (double true in a no-heal lane) because it lets the ad stay in lane longer, and it's much better than the 3 other three people in lane forget you're there cause you're sitting in a bush watiting for level 3. Obviously don't get carried away (i.e. don't get hit by harass when vayne wouldn't be hit by harass, that's just free damage) but I mean if vayne is walking up for a cs and cait moves up to auto her for doing so, if you're in front of vayne, cait will hit you instead of her. This is most of the time the preferable scenario. EDIT: also "every good blitz knows the threat of the pull is stronger pressure on the lane than the pull itself", etc. etc. But as Leona against Lulu Cait at level 1, you can't do that. They KNOW exactly that you can't do anything, and an empty threat is not a good idea if the enemy knows for sure it is empty. If you walk forward at level 1 as Leona against that, you are saying "here, take my HP". You don't threaten them, you don't distract them, you just get punched in the face and lose half your HP for absolutely nothing. Even if you COULD reach them behind their minions, you would STILL lose the trade because their minions hit you while you autoattack them and do pretty much nothing else. In any leona vs lulu lane, you just need to somehow waste their time until you hit 2-3, then you can actually do things. And if you also got Vayne vs Cait, you just can't do anything non-suicidal early on, and they know that. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23470 Posts
tanking lulu q or cait q or autos near the creep wave can make sense because you have pots and one of the best base hp regens in the game and vayne has just dblade so it does make some sense to let them push faster but you should be under no illusion of trying to actually win a fight until later on | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Lane switch; farm up on Vayne; and have Jungler help out for your solo lane against cait + lulu. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Ok, just played my first ranked with zac and i fucking love it, he's amazing. Everytime i jump i hear this sound in my head. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:20 wei2coolman wrote: Want know how to play against Cait + Lulu as Vayne + Leona? Lane switch; farm up on Vayne; and have Jungler help out for your solo lane against cait + lulu. Pretty sure they can just switch to all 3 lanes and get every tower before you get the one on yours lol. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:44 wei2coolman wrote: Not surprised. Hopefully players gets picked up by other teams. Definitely some sick talents on that team. Sounds like MRN itself is dead. Whole LCS season and still no sponsor sounds like some managerial issues tbh. It's a pity | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:24 nafta wrote: Pretty sure they can just switch to all 3 lanes and get every tower before you get the one on yours lol. If you can delay the lane push from cait+lulu with jungle pressure, the lanes don't turn out that bad. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:31 Numy wrote: Sounds like MRN itself is dead. Whole LCS season and still no sponsor sounds like some managerial issues tbh. It's a pity Mega said in his AMA that Marn isn't managerial material. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On May 12 2013 23:41 justiceknight wrote: MRN disbands http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1e6lzf/team_mrn_disbands/ Man I just watched them play yesterday. They lost to that weird jungle Ez team comp. I guess they lost the B05 to Vel after all. Sejuani and Trundle's remakes were decent. Sejuani's splash art and model are better. She looks hot in the splash art and she's no longer wearing just a skirt in arctic conditions(default skin). Now she at least has stockings. Her attack animation is better and her dance isn't something awkward and silly anymore. Overall it was a good rework. She still can't sustain very well. Now she can't get QE for a good wave clear as well as a good level 2 gank. WE is definitely much better for waveclear if you want frost on all the enemies. They also fixed Sejuani's lore by making her look like a viable rival to Ashe. And Trundle is still a very good stat stick (no mana problems) that can't gap close. His W gives him up to 8.5 extra attacks. Ult is more noticeable. His lore was changed too. Before he was a Troll with extra good regen but now he's a Troll King. The two lores aren't in direct conflict with each other but I guess Riot didn't think a random troll would be cool enough to be a league champion. I can't tell if either champion got stronger but the reworks did their jobs by fixing cosmetics and lore. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Edit: as much as I like Xypherous for stuff like Orianna, I also believe his approach to the game to be pretty biased: While it's interesting that Tristana can go AP - playing with a Tristana, only to discover that she is AP Tristana is pretty severely damaging to team compositions as a whole. (...) While this could probably be solved through creative augment choices, there's a tension between making the playstyles unique and compelling *and* being able to provide a decent playing-with case for Viktor's teammates. It's a tricky path to take. Yeah. So, there's a problem with really making all 3 augments concurrent and viable because "your team would have to adjust to how you build", well, surprise, it's already the case with any champion: if I want to pick Ahri to play her AD, or decide to go AP Shen in the jungle, my team would have to adjust all the same, unless I communicate with them (surprise, Viktor players can do the same). | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 13 2013 00:31 Numy wrote: Sounds like MRN itself is dead. Whole LCS season and still no sponsor sounds like some managerial issues tbh. It's a pity I am 90% sure coL will be dead soon, as well. Without good exposure for an amateur team, once you drop from LCS you are screwed. | ||
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