EPTOn May 09 2013 05:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
yo, how do i build new trundle top
im vs riven
quick gogo
yo, how do i build new trundle top
im vs riven
quick gogo
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm afraid to bring this up, but what do people think about team analysts on the Asian teams? Back to the old argument about 'you have to be a high level player to understand the game...' http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1dxulj/azubu_taipei_assassins_add_theorycrafter_to/ It can only help for the rich teams to hire dedicated theorycrafters. That guy is probably "high level" enough if he plays with Toyz in solo queue. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:08 sob3k wrote: Coke is for casuals Also did you know that Trundle pillar can stop Corki's valk? Bam, right out of the sky. Coke is for refreshment, Pepsi is for class. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm afraid to bring this up, but what do people think about team analysts on the Asian teams? Back to the old argument about 'you have to be a high level player to understand the game...' http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1dxulj/azubu_taipei_assassins_add_theorycrafter_to/ I think the whole "you have to be a high level player to understand the game" argument is complete bullshit, but that's just my two cents. Wasn't the guy who popularized AP Tryndamere like, low plat? Monte was yelling about jungle Nasus more than a month before Diamondprox started doing it and we all know Monte is bad. It's perfectly understandable that somebody can have a high level understanding and concept for what's going on while they're watching replays, but a low level capability for making their hands do the things with the key hitting and the timing and the multitasking. Wave good case in point here too. Makes perfect sense to have team analysts. | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
anyone got any clues to this? my only guess is that it has something to do with Spirit Guard Udyr | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I would probably call gold league "good" and diamond+ "very very good" I know a lot of people would disagree, but I mean, if you're in gold league you're already in the top what like 10% of all players. Not sure how that's not considered good. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:31 Ketara wrote: I suppose it also depends on what level you consider "good" to be. I would probably call gold league "good" and diamond+ "very very good" yeah that's the thing good is relative to your own skill level. If I were to see someone in say, Plat 1, I would think "meh" If my friend who is in gold 1 he would think "oh wow plat 1 he must be pretty good" | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:30 Dusty wrote: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/05/an-ancient-mystery-in-runeterra.html anyone got any clues to this? my only guess is that it has something to do with Spirit Guard Udyr I doubt it has much to do with the Udyr skin, unless they make Spirit Guard Udyr this guy's nemesis or something convoluted like that. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:31 Ketara wrote: I suppose it also depends on what level you consider "good" to be. I would probably call gold league "good" and diamond+ "very very good" I know a lot of people would disagree, but I mean, if you're in gold league you're already in the top what like 10% of all players. Not sure how that's not considered good. You haven't played sc2/bw.That why you don't understand.If we have to compare to league unless you at least d1 you suck  . | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:22 Ketara wrote: I think the whole "you have to be a high level player to understand the game" argument is complete bullshit, but that's just my two cents. Wasn't the guy who popularized AP Tryndamere like, low plat? Monte was yelling about jungle Nasus more than a month before Diamondprox started doing it and we all know Monte is bad. It's perfectly understandable that somebody can have a high level understanding and concept for what's going on while they're watching replays, but a low level capability for making their hands do the things with the key hitting and the timing and the multitasking. Wave good case in point here too. Makes perfect sense to have team analysts. I think the mechanical skill needed to execute things in League is so low that someone who can't get to at least plat has no idea what he's talking about. Just because some low-level theory got proven to be valid for higher levels doesn't really mean much. You only remember/hear about the things that were correct, but for every one like that there are hundreds that were blatantly wrong. A broken clock is still correct at least twice a day, as they say. Obviously you can have great understanding of the game without having the skill to use it, but I think that almost doesn't apply to League of legends. Nothing is hard to execute, if you can't do something properly then that means you're lacking in some sort of knowledge. I doubt a gold analyst will be better than a diamond analyst. It might not be a necessity, but it's definitely not bad. In my opinion, anyone not Diamond I (skill level) is bad. You may call me retarded or way too hard, but that's just what I think. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:31 Ketara wrote:I know a lot of people would disagree, but I mean, if you're in gold league you're already in the top what like 10% of all players. Not sure how that's not considered good. There's a lot of really stupid gold players out there. They're fewer than lower leagues, but there's quite a few around. Had a game just now where a Cho called for a level 4 dragon after a rough fight, where everyone had like 200 health and there was a level 6 Xerath mid, who promptly came and got the easiest quadra of his life. The Cho argues it was the teams fault for not coming sooner (dragon had like 2k health when Xerath showed up- even if everyone rushed straight there and they got dragon, he was probably going to get the quadra). Then later he recalls at nearly full health near baron wraithes when the enemy team has already started baron, then pings madly for the 2 of us who were smart enough to stick around (Shen/Tristana) to go in, when the rest of the team is at our mid inhib tower when baron dies. Also randomly used his smite when the enemy was threatening baron several previous times. You don't really have to understand the game that well to get into gold V, at all. You'll probably stay stuck there forever though. That being said, I feel like the percentage of really dumb players decreases a lot in gold. Maybe 10% or so. If they're dumb enough, that means they're probably going to decide the game for the unlucky team who gets them. The other 90% mostly just need to work on their mechanics/team coordination. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On May 09 2013 04:32 Ketara wrote: Even though it might be a bad thing, it's totally understandable from a business point of view. I'd be very surprised if this didn't happen. DotA and LoL are in direct competition with each other, after all. Also, I didn't know it was called "League of Lesbians" until I read the comments. Hey gurl. as someone who came from the fighting game community and seeing evo have games from namco/capcom/indies etc., i don't think they're in direct competition. i think the dota/lol community would be much healthier if they didn't have such vitriol for each other. for the longest time, conventional fighting game fans hated smash bros and now it's back in evo as the vote-in game (and it's melee, no less). granted i think that was more community issues since the general poster on SRK sucks. oh well. as for the skill level, gold/plat/diamond solo q, i could really care less about. if you can show some competence in arranged 5s then you're okay. i think it was scarra who said that you can conceptually outplay someone and you can mechanically outplay someone, and there's definitely room in arranged 5s to conceptually outplay the team even with spotty mechanics. bly said something about players with a lack of mechanics being unable to pull off certain strategies, but i'm not sure i agree with him completely. obviously a guy that loses lane badly will not be able to pull off timed and planned fights at buffs, but at the same time this isn't a guy with 70apm trying to pull off pvz corsair build. theorycrafting taiwan guy apparently has experience in TESL and has duo queue experience with toyz so the argument is kinda moot anyway. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I think that this is roughly the same for LoL. Until you get to at minimum plat level mechanics(whether past or present doesn't really matter, because understanding doesn't fade with time unlike mechanics), you don't really understand the game. The ability to look at a comp, and figure out exactly why they drafted the way they did, understanding map movement, presence, relative strengths and so on doesn't come without either watching a TON of games(not streams, you need the spectator client to see the whole picture) or else actually playing the game at a high level. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 09 2013 04:53 nojitosunrise wrote: Exactly. You don't see Pepsi and Coke offered in the same restaurant. That's a bad analogy because of the way viewer sharing works at big LANs. When you go to a restaurant, you only get one drink, so you're only gonna get one or the other. But at big LANs, you have a ticket to the entire event. And as it stands, even if someone goes for one game, said game isn't running the whole time, but they're at the venue the whole day. So they will check out other games, and find things they're interested in. SC2 players wander in to check out LoL, LoL players wander in to check out DotA, DotA players check out fighting games, etc. You get new viewers from other games this way. The biggest game (LoL in this case) benefits most from this player-sharing because the game with the biggest crowd will draw in the most people. Tencent's exclusivity agreement hurts DotA in the short term, but in the long term if they set a precedent where other companies do this back to them, they are hurting themselves. If big LANs become more exclusive, then you lose this player-sharing factor. It hurts everyone in the long run. EDIT: kainzero has a good anecdote for how this player-sharing helps games seemingly in competition with one another in the same genre. I think Riot/Tencent's ideas for exclusivity are incredibly short-sighted. Sure it's "business", but in my mind, it's unintelligent business. You're throwing money at something that hurts your competitor in the short term, but doesn't benefit you directly and can come back to hurt you in the long run. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:36 OutlaW- wrote: I think the mechanical skill needed to execute things in League is so low that someone who can't get to at least plat has no idea what he's talking about. Just because some low-level theory got proven to be valid for higher levels doesn't really mean much. You only remember/hear about the things that were correct, but for every one like that there are hundreds that were blatantly wrong. A broken clock is still correct at least twice a day, as they say. Obviously you can have great understanding of the game without having the skill to use it, but I think that almost doesn't apply to League of legends. Nothing is hard to execute, if you can't do something properly then that means you're lacking in some sort of knowledge. I doubt a gold analyst will be better than a diamond analyst. It might not be a necessity, but it's definitely not bad. In my opinion, anyone not Diamond I (skill level) is bad. You may call me retarded or way too hard, but that's just what I think. You're literally saying that 99.9% of players, including a lot of professional players, are bad. Diamond 1 doesn't even make up 0.5% of the community. You're also saying that probably all of the professional casters/commentators, as well as probably all of the game design and balance team, don't know what they're doing/talking about. You're also probably saying that all of the Asian teams coaches/analysts/what have you don't know what they're doing/talking about. This viewpoint is just empirically wrong, and I would challenge you to change your way of thinking. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
They are already cemented as #1 by a lot. It's unlikely DotA2 will ever catch up to them in viewership numbers. Continuing to block DotA2 from events is just a dick move at this point. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 09 2013 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm afraid to bring this up, but what do people think about team analysts on the Asian teams? Back to the old argument about 'you have to be a high level player to understand the game...' http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1dxulj/azubu_taipei_assassins_add_theorycrafter_to/ If I recall correctly, the argument wasn't "you have to be a high level player to understand the game", but "you have to play 5s to understand 5s". Which is a fair assessment--solo queue and 5s are wildly different enough at that level that playing solo queue really does not allow you to analyze/theorycraft 5v5 play. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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