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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
April 19 2013 04:04 GMT
#2201
On April 19 2013 12:27 BlackPaladin wrote:
GET REQ'D!

I asked him if he ever said that the first time we duo'd. He said no. =[

Good news/bad news, good: Req didn't throw it! bad: Support Volibear did.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 19 2013 04:09 GMT
#2202
On April 19 2013 12:53 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 09:33 cLutZ wrote:
On April 19 2013 09:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 19 2013 08:59 Cixah wrote:
Am I the only one who finds the support role as an Anti-Fun mechanic? I dread playing it, I might be half way ok at it, but every time I get forced to play the role the thought in my head comes out as, "I'm wasting 20-55 minutes of my time here." I get the need for the role, but isn't there a way to not have it be 15 minutes of making sure my baby doesnt die, 15 minutes of hitting sticks on the ground and 15-20 minutes of running in a circle till someone does something stupid. It's just not fun.

Who are you playing? Pick Thresh or Leona and make plays. I think playing an aggro support can be one of the most fun things in this game. I mean yeah, Soraka is gonna be pretty boring to play, it all comes down to how you decide to play the role.


I think that this is Riot's sentiment, and that is...unfortunate at best. Well, thresh is just ridiculous, but all in supports are not the kind of play style that lots of people like.

I mean there are also poke supports like Sona/Lulu or more passive ones like Taric/Soraka. I'd say the variety of supports isn't really bad, I just find the people that hate playing support usually tend to prefer the aggro supports. Thresh/Leona are like the only two real all in supports anyway (Maybe Ali?).


My two favorite characters in the game are Janna and Ali.

Janna is totally antifun in YOLO-Q. Ali is probably my highest winrate champ.
Freeeeeeedom
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 19 2013 04:29 GMT
#2203
On April 19 2013 13:09 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 12:53 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 19 2013 09:33 cLutZ wrote:
On April 19 2013 09:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 19 2013 08:59 Cixah wrote:
Am I the only one who finds the support role as an Anti-Fun mechanic? I dread playing it, I might be half way ok at it, but every time I get forced to play the role the thought in my head comes out as, "I'm wasting 20-55 minutes of my time here." I get the need for the role, but isn't there a way to not have it be 15 minutes of making sure my baby doesnt die, 15 minutes of hitting sticks on the ground and 15-20 minutes of running in a circle till someone does something stupid. It's just not fun.

Who are you playing? Pick Thresh or Leona and make plays. I think playing an aggro support can be one of the most fun things in this game. I mean yeah, Soraka is gonna be pretty boring to play, it all comes down to how you decide to play the role.


I think that this is Riot's sentiment, and that is...unfortunate at best. Well, thresh is just ridiculous, but all in supports are not the kind of play style that lots of people like.

I mean there are also poke supports like Sona/Lulu or more passive ones like Taric/Soraka. I'd say the variety of supports isn't really bad, I just find the people that hate playing support usually tend to prefer the aggro supports. Thresh/Leona are like the only two real all in supports anyway (Maybe Ali?).


My two favorite characters in the game are Janna and Ali.

Janna is totally antifun in YOLO-Q. Ali is probably my highest winrate champ.

I guess I'm just confused at your statement that people don't like all-in supports. I have never really encountered that sentiment anywhere.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
April 19 2013 04:30 GMT
#2204
Is there a shortcut that can easily put people on ignore? I play with a group of friends ~5days a week and I seriously ~50% of games have to add one of them back to my friends list because I somehow put them on ignore. I press tab a lot, but that's the only thing I can think of. I don't think I'm accidentally pressing the button on the tab screen that ignores people...

Any ideas?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 05:46:38
April 19 2013 04:47 GMT
#2205
On April 19 2013 13:29 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 13:09 cLutZ wrote:
On April 19 2013 12:53 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 19 2013 09:33 cLutZ wrote:
On April 19 2013 09:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 19 2013 08:59 Cixah wrote:
Am I the only one who finds the support role as an Anti-Fun mechanic? I dread playing it, I might be half way ok at it, but every time I get forced to play the role the thought in my head comes out as, "I'm wasting 20-55 minutes of my time here." I get the need for the role, but isn't there a way to not have it be 15 minutes of making sure my baby doesnt die, 15 minutes of hitting sticks on the ground and 15-20 minutes of running in a circle till someone does something stupid. It's just not fun.

Who are you playing? Pick Thresh or Leona and make plays. I think playing an aggro support can be one of the most fun things in this game. I mean yeah, Soraka is gonna be pretty boring to play, it all comes down to how you decide to play the role.


I think that this is Riot's sentiment, and that is...unfortunate at best. Well, thresh is just ridiculous, but all in supports are not the kind of play style that lots of people like.

I mean there are also poke supports like Sona/Lulu or more passive ones like Taric/Soraka. I'd say the variety of supports isn't really bad, I just find the people that hate playing support usually tend to prefer the aggro supports. Thresh/Leona are like the only two real all in supports anyway (Maybe Ali?).


My two favorite characters in the game are Janna and Ali.

Janna is totally antifun in YOLO-Q. Ali is probably my highest winrate champ.

I guess I'm just confused at your statement that people don't like all-in supports. I have never really encountered that sentiment anywhere.


I dont like all in supports, except Ali, if you consider him one, but I like supporting(in theory), I've always played buff-ing type champs like WoW Paladin/Druid, Warcry Barbs, Clerics/Bard (EQ).

If I listed my supports in order of who I would like to play (if they were good):
1. Janna 2. Ali 3. Soraka 4. Lulu 5. Zyra 6. Sona 7. Taric 8. Leona 9. Blitz
Unranked (Because I haven't played enough/have never played while that champ is balanced): Thresh/Elise

Edit: Heck i forgot taric cus hes so...taricy
Freeeeeeedom
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 05:43:52
April 19 2013 05:40 GMT
#2206
That is completely the opposite of me. I love all-in supports and lane fighting. My ranking goes:
1) Leona 2) Thresh 3) Blitz 4) Sona

I end up playing a lot of Taric though, mostly because he is the safest support (imo) and wins lane the easiest. I don't play Ali because I had completely forgotten about him. I'll have to dust him off.

edit: What do people think of some of the unconventional supports? I just played a game with a Maokai where I was Ezreal. Since I spammed so much, Mao was getting some pretty solid sustain, and his CC and early damage is pretty nuts. Easy brush control with saplings, good gank support, etc. I could see him falling off late game because of how tanky he needs to be, but the same could be said for Thresh or Blitzcrank.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 05:41:45
April 19 2013 05:41 GMT
#2207
I love playing Thresh but hate playing Leona.

Love playing Lulu but hate playing Sona

Support favoritism tiers (no particular order within tiers.)

Tier 1: Thresh, Lulu, Nami, Blitzcrank
Tier 2: Taric, Soraka, Alistar
Tier 3: Sona, Leona

Other supports or things-that-can-be-played-support I haven't really played enough to evaluate.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
April 19 2013 05:48 GMT
#2208
Am I the only megaderp that took till now to bind "attack move click" to left click?
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 19 2013 05:54 GMT
#2209
On April 19 2013 14:48 Gahlo wrote:
Am I the only megaderp that took till now to bind "attack move click" to left click?


I play mid, AD peasant. I'm too busy making big plays to kite.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
April 19 2013 05:58 GMT
#2210
On April 19 2013 14:54 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 14:48 Gahlo wrote:
Am I the only megaderp that took till now to bind "attack move click" to left click?


I play mid, AD peasant. I'm too busy making big plays to kite.

Can't hear you over all the right clicking I'm doing!(well, left clicking now)
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 19 2013 06:17 GMT
#2211
i've always A+clicked everything.

just a habit.
right clicking something feels weird.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 19 2013 06:21 GMT
#2212
On April 19 2013 14:40 GreenManalishi wrote:
That is completely the opposite of me. I love all-in supports and lane fighting. My ranking goes:
1) Leona 2) Thresh 3) Blitz 4) Sona

I end up playing a lot of Taric though, mostly because he is the safest support (imo) and wins lane the easiest. I don't play Ali because I had completely forgotten about him. I'll have to dust him off.

edit: What do people think of some of the unconventional supports? I just played a game with a Maokai where I was Ezreal. Since I spammed so much, Mao was getting some pretty solid sustain, and his CC and early damage is pretty nuts. Easy brush control with saplings, good gank support, etc. I could see him falling off late game because of how tanky he needs to be, but the same could be said for Thresh or Blitzcrank.


Blitz always has his pull, so he's semi relevant unless your team is behind to the point where you can get 2v5'd.

Leona is more comparable to Mao because she has a dash/root to enemy champ and another hard CC (difference being point and click vs skillshot. However, Leona has a pretty good defense steroid which can let her dive more safely.

Thresh has got an overpowered kit. He's going to be relevant all game as well. I've had games where we were 3 inhibs down but I was farming like 10 souls per wave. After a few minutes of that, I had like 300 armor and 300 damage autos, and once I got a grab, I basically instagibbed the enemy AD and AP singehandedly.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 19 2013 06:23 GMT
#2213
Generally on every single ranged champ I own, I a-click. On every single melee I right click for CS. For any kiting/chasing, it's always right click a-click.

Mechanics are hard =/.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 19 2013 06:26 GMT
#2214
On April 19 2013 14:40 GreenManalishi wrote:
That is completely the opposite of me. I love all-in supports and lane fighting. My ranking goes:
1) Leona 2) Thresh 3) Blitz 4) Sona

I end up playing a lot of Taric though, mostly because he is the safest support (imo) and wins lane the easiest. I don't play Ali because I had completely forgotten about him. I'll have to dust him off.

edit: What do people think of some of the unconventional supports? I just played a game with a Maokai where I was Ezreal. Since I spammed so much, Mao was getting some pretty solid sustain, and his CC and early damage is pretty nuts. Easy brush control with saplings, good gank support, etc. I could see him falling off late game because of how tanky he needs to be, but the same could be said for Thresh or Blitzcrank.


Honestly, some unconventional supports are OK: Morg, Lux, Fiddle, Leblanc, Mao, Panth, Yorik, ZIlean, but the problem is:for me at least, that I don't feel like Im supporting. And I want to support. I want to play a viable champ that has 3 heals and a shield, or 4 shielding moves, or 1 heal, 1 shield, and 2 crowd control effects.

Unfortunately, that is not how the game is at the moment, so even players who think they would like support, are disappointed..
Freeeeeeedom
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
April 19 2013 06:31 GMT
#2215
Speaking of Fiddle support, I honestly cannot for the life of me understand how to lane with him correctly. Besides throwing Dark Winds (which end up pushing lane), I try to posture for fear/drains, but then I usually end up getting melted/poked to death.

Maybe its cuz every time I play Fiddle, its in blind picks and I lane vs a Leona/Ali or something.
Forever Young
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
April 19 2013 06:33 GMT
#2216
On April 19 2013 15:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2013 14:40 GreenManalishi wrote:
That is completely the opposite of me. I love all-in supports and lane fighting. My ranking goes:
1) Leona 2) Thresh 3) Blitz 4) Sona

I end up playing a lot of Taric though, mostly because he is the safest support (imo) and wins lane the easiest. I don't play Ali because I had completely forgotten about him. I'll have to dust him off.

edit: What do people think of some of the unconventional supports? I just played a game with a Maokai where I was Ezreal. Since I spammed so much, Mao was getting some pretty solid sustain, and his CC and early damage is pretty nuts. Easy brush control with saplings, good gank support, etc. I could see him falling off late game because of how tanky he needs to be, but the same could be said for Thresh or Blitzcrank.


Blitz always has his pull, so he's semi relevant unless your team is behind to the point where you can get 2v5'd.

Leona is more comparable to Mao because she has a dash/root to enemy champ and another hard CC (difference being point and click vs skillshot. However, Leona has a pretty good defense steroid which can let her dive more safely.

Thresh has got an overpowered kit. He's going to be relevant all game as well. I've had games where we were 3 inhibs down but I was farming like 10 souls per wave. After a few minutes of that, I had like 300 armor and 300 damage autos, and once I got a grab, I basically instagibbed the enemy AD and AP singehandedly.

Yeah, that was basically my take on it. Mao support won't be tanky enough to use his W for anything other than peel after mid game; still, his Q and W are decent peel and his R scales off of enemy magic damage. I still think he could be a decent niche pick since his lane phase is quite good. That said, I can't really think of a time that I would take him over a conventional support besides maybe against an extremely AP+AoE heavy team comp (Ori + Vlad + Malph + Sona + Kog for example).
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 19 2013 06:46 GMT
#2217
Thresh Q has a limit of 255 I think. Still, wtf?
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
April 19 2013 06:47 GMT
#2218
I thought it didn't limit, I remember seeing a picture of another buff coming on to you called Soul Glutton. Losing all stacks and starting from 0 again.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-19 06:55:22
April 19 2013 06:54 GMT
#2219
it had a limit of 255 on release by accident, they have since removed it. You get Soul Glutton after 255, it does nothing. You dont lose your benefit from the prev 255
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
April 19 2013 07:01 GMT
#2220
On April 19 2013 14:48 Gahlo wrote:
Am I the only megaderp that took till now to bind "attack move click" to left click?


how do you ever select anything
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