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[Patch 3.05.1: Karma Remake] General Discussion - Page 27

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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 20:59:24
March 29 2013 20:59 GMT
#521
Mantra'd E on Karma makes like a 2K difference in HP on the teamfight-- you shield your whole team and damage the whole other team. It's literally press R E to win.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 29 2013 21:06 GMT
#522
How large is the AoE?
Also maxing W on Kennen is a way to say "Hey, you there, hiding in your creep wave—fuck you!" pretty efficiently. As long as you can Q well enough to last hit (think Mundo top), having your W passive primed is an excellent zoning tool. This works with Q first too but if you can't really use Q, then...

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is so good. At this rate, I'm not going to play League the upcoming week.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
March 29 2013 21:16 GMT
#523
mantra E AoE is as big as amumu ulti. Pretty ridiculous.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 21:42:53
March 29 2013 21:42 GMT
#524
First Impression of Karma: She's definitely better as a Top Laner. She doesn't seem to have enough consistent damage to instantly burst down an opponent like a mid laner but she has sustain and a shield that works well in the drawn out trades of Top. If her opponent at top is melee then she can utilize her autoattack more which would greatly increase her CD. QEWEQ, Q > E > W. Her shield can also deal damage if combined with mantra so if someone with a gap closer comes in, RE, W, Q while kiting backward with autoattacks should be enough to disengage and come out ahead in the trade.

神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 21:46:56
March 29 2013 21:45 GMT
#525
On paper her burst without autos is stronger than Orianna's at level 6. It's not about bursting your opponent, there should be a copious amount of pew pew going on before you try to finish off your opponent.

Below: Yes. Isn't it nice? I'm not going to run short soon. <3
(Plus it's over 8 more-or-less independant "parts" so it's not like you're reading Naruto or stuff like that that never ends.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
March 29 2013 21:45 GMT
#526
On March 30 2013 06:06 Alaric wrote:
How large is the AoE?
Also maxing W on Kennen is a way to say "Hey, you there, hiding in your creep wave—fuck you!" pretty efficiently. As long as you can Q well enough to last hit (think Mundo top), having your W passive primed is an excellent zoning tool. This works with Q first too but if you can't really use Q, then...

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is so good. At this rate, I'm not going to play League the upcoming week.

Jojo has so many CHAPTERS! I swear, there's over 100 volumes o.o
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
March 29 2013 21:48 GMT
#527
On March 30 2013 06:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 06:06 Alaric wrote:
How large is the AoE?
Also maxing W on Kennen is a way to say "Hey, you there, hiding in your creep wave—fuck you!" pretty efficiently. As long as you can Q well enough to last hit (think Mundo top), having your W passive primed is an excellent zoning tool. This works with Q first too but if you can't really use Q, then...

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is so good. At this rate, I'm not going to play League the upcoming week.

Jojo has so many CHAPTERS! I swear, there's over 100 volumes o.o


I'm just watching the current anime and it's the best I've seen in years. I'll probably follow the manga if I can't wait for another season.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 21:58:32
March 29 2013 21:58 GMT
#528
On March 30 2013 06:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
First Impression of Karma: She's definitely better as a Top Laner. She doesn't seem to have enough consistent damage to instantly burst down an opponent like a mid laner but she has sustain and a shield that works well in the drawn out trades of Top. If her opponent at top is melee then she can utilize her autoattack more which would greatly increase her CD. QEWEQ, Q > E > W. Her shield can also deal damage if combined with mantra so if someone with a gap closer comes in, RE, W, Q while kiting backward with autoattacks should be enough to disengage and come out ahead in the trade.



I am not convinced. She has almost no sustain and she is squishy.

I think Karma may have some potential, but she seems awfully difficult to play correctly. Also her Q is so weird.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
March 29 2013 21:59 GMT
#529
First thing I thought about Karma is to buy fort pot, skill W and start to all-in with autos at level 1 and hope that your opponent starts trading autos back, With the heal and damage on mantra W it should be easy to win the lvl 1 exchange and dominate the lane from there. No real idea though, need to try her.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 29 2013 22:02 GMT
#530
On March 30 2013 06:06 Alaric wrote:
How large is the AoE?
Also maxing W on Kennen is a way to say "Hey, you there, hiding in your creep wave—fuck you!" pretty efficiently. As long as you can Q well enough to last hit (think Mundo top), having your W passive primed is an excellent zoning tool. This works with Q first too but if you can't really use Q, then...

Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is so good. At this rate, I'm not going to play League the upcoming week.


Q max Kennen never works for me. People are too smart for it.
Freeeeeeedom
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
March 29 2013 22:16 GMT
#531
On March 30 2013 06:58 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 06:42 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
First Impression of Karma: She's definitely better as a Top Laner. She doesn't seem to have enough consistent damage to instantly burst down an opponent like a mid laner but she has sustain and a shield that works well in the drawn out trades of Top. If her opponent at top is melee then she can utilize her autoattack more which would greatly increase her CD. QEWEQ, Q > E > W. Her shield can also deal damage if combined with mantra so if someone with a gap closer comes in, RE, W, Q while kiting backward with autoattacks should be enough to disengage and come out ahead in the trade.



I am not convinced. She has almost no sustain and she is squishy.

I think Karma may have some potential, but she seems awfully difficult to play correctly. Also her Q is so weird.

when every1 and their mother starts with a gazillion pots nowadays, I see low sustain as being less and less of an issue. Plus, her shield is pretty good at mitigating dmg.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 29 2013 22:20 GMT
#532
wtf Karma. If you don't have a jump, how do you escape from the tether. My poor Ryze (pretty bad to begin with) cried.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
March 29 2013 22:21 GMT
#533
On March 28 2013 11:41 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 11:38 Parnage wrote:
On March 28 2013 11:32 overt wrote:
On March 28 2013 11:13 OutlaW- wrote:
Turrets buffed by 10%.
I'm out of here.
Baron nerfed, too. Riot is trying to enforce the meta pretty hard...
I don't know whether I should feel sad or disappointed. Buffing turrets is pretty much the worst thing they could have done. The game is already so boring in the first minutes because turrets protect everyone from dying. It's also another nerf to roaming. Is my feeling of disgust unjustified?


No, it's not. If anything turrets should've been nerfed. Tower diving is already brutally hard in this game compared to other mobas. It's also kind of apparent that Riot dislikes the fast push style that the Koreans popularized with the turret buffs and the nerf to minions.


Someone will most likely stomp me into the ground for this but honestly turrets are annoying as hell but by midgame essentially useless vs people who can dive them, if I play well and go leapin around my turret doing my best to live I'd like to be rewarded with a kill after I go down rather then the guy getting away no problem thanks to turrets not being an issue till the 5th+shot. Conversely, indirect buff to ohmwrecker?


If I outplay you in lane you shouldn't be able to hide behind your turret that does all of my health in three seconds.

It's a lot harder to out play someone in lane, get a big advantage, and then be helpless to kill them without a gank because your turret is too strong than it is to "outplay" someone who's attempting to tower dive you. Even before these buffs it was nearly impossible, or else really really difficult, to tower dive someone early if they had any form of hard CC.

If I outplay someone and they stick around with half HP or less I should be able to punish them. With stronger turrets I can't punish them much at all.


If you're outplaying someone and he's hiding behind his turret then you shouldn't let minions reach the turret. If it does reach the turret then you are free to roam/counterjungle knowing that if he follows he won't beat you anyway and will lose an entire wave to turret.
神は乗り越えられる試練しか与えない
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
March 29 2013 22:22 GMT
#534
On March 30 2013 07:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
wtf Karma. If you don't have a jump, how do you escape from the tether. My poor Ryze (pretty bad to begin with) cried.


Don't you stun her as soon as she tethers and walk away.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 29 2013 22:23 GMT
#535
On March 30 2013 07:22 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2013 07:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
wtf Karma. If you don't have a jump, how do you escape from the tether. My poor Ryze (pretty bad to begin with) cried.


Don't you stun her as soon as she tethers and walk away.

Inner Flame slows.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 29 2013 22:26 GMT
#536
On March 30 2013 07:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
wtf Karma. If you don't have a jump, how do you escape from the tether. My poor Ryze (pretty bad to begin with) cried.

I think is the closest I've ever seen Neo to QQ in GD xD
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 29 2013 22:26 GMT
#537
But the tether ranges are usually higher than the cast ranges, and level 1 rune prison may not cut it. What's the cast range btw? Wiki isn't updated on that.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 29 2013 22:28 GMT
#538
Just want to give advice:don't que on friday night.I just played 2 bronze games and I am d5 with a d1 duoq.Top laner 55 cs in 39 minutes and a draven/soraka who managed to lose to vayne/taric rofl.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
March 29 2013 22:28 GMT
#539
Zac is available on EU.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
March 29 2013 22:38 GMT
#540
On March 30 2013 07:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
wtf Karma. If you don't have a jump, how do you escape from the tether. My poor Ryze (pretty bad to begin with) cried.

I blame shit OP MoonBear for not adding the white box of text at the top of the thread, allowing QQing kids like this guy here to just cry about what he sucks against, further making GD a cesspool of complete shit.

God Bless
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