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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
March 09 2013 00:27 GMT
#1881
Garen still #1 top lane play him before the nerfs go through
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
March 09 2013 00:30 GMT
#1882
I just got dunked on mad hard by a Renekton named Fubguns. He went pure AD and pretty much 1 shot me as Ashe.
Retvrn to Forvms
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
March 09 2013 00:31 GMT
#1883
On March 09 2013 02:39 Mondeezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 02:23 Seuss wrote:
On March 09 2013 02:12 Mondeezy wrote:
Does anyone here play ranked 5s seriously?

If so, has it helped you improve individually or mainly in team play? Looking for some incentive to go out and find a team around my rating to see if it'll help me improve. Every time i try to play ranked 5s with friends it usually dies after about a week. Thoughts?


Playing with TL B last season made me a better jungler by far. Being in voice chat and communicating really opens your eyes to the needs of your teammates, and being able to talk about why a game went wrong afterwards is a huge boon to improvement.

The problem obviously being that organizing even a semi-serious team requires at least one person to put a huge amount of effort into getting everyone online and together frequently (think guild/raid leader level-commitment).


Yeah, this is the problem for me right now. As much as I'd like to play on a committed team and shoot for plat/diamond, between going to school full time and working 25 hours a week I don't have much time to just get on and game, much less organize a team and schedule etc.

I'm sure it's not the only way to improve - I'm sitting like borderline plat and want to push myself over. I have a goal of getting to diamond by the end of this season, so whatever time I have I'm trying to put in to improving. Maybe I should actually download lol replay and post in 5hits analysis thread, haha.


Yeah This has happened to me three times now.
Found players willing to work hard to improve. Four of them.
Then our schedules don't match up. Commiting lots of effort to trying to find time becomes too much of a chore after a few weeks, and one or more of us go inactive.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
March 09 2013 00:31 GMT
#1884
On March 09 2013 09:14 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 08:41 petered wrote:
I have barely played at all since the beginning of S3. Like, still don't know most of the new items and have no idea what the masteries are like now. A few friends are playing tonight and I thought it would be fun to make it a team event. However, I don't want to be the guy that feeds and makes it not that fun for everyone.

Is there a resource for someone who still hasn't made the transition from S2 to S3? Basically I am just looking for the go to items for bruiser, support, assassin and AP (they probably won't ever have me play ADC or jungler since I was no good at those even when I knew the items) and the standard mastery set up for those roles. Any broad suggestions would be welcome.

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I dunno if there are any resources but builds for AP at least haven't changed much at all with the notable exception that Tear is a lot more viable on champions that it previously wasn't viable on (it charges faster and it's cheaper plus its upgrades are better). You still want deathcap and voidstaff and probably Zhonya's maybe Abyssal's at some point. A few APs like Liandry's Torment but most of them still like deathcap builds. Of champions that need mana the only ones that really build chalice/athenes anymore are Orianna and Lux (but you could probably go Tear on Lux if you wanted). Since the athenes buff it might be more viable than Tear on some other mana reliant AP mids.

DFG isn't as great as it used to be but it's still pretty mandatory on AP assassins. AD assassins love BC. Builds basically stayed the same for them too although Warmogs is generally better than GA and against heavy AD teams Randuin's Omen is better than both for your defensive item.

Support has a multitude of viable build choices but as a general rule you want sightstone and you shouldn't buy gp10 anymore (although after the change to philo stone hits that item will probably be good to buy). Locket and/or Bulwark are good items to get after your sightstone. There's really a multitude of support items that work in S3 and it's really dependent on what your jungler is building/what support you're playing.

Bruisers have a lot of build options. Most bruisers go tanky first instead of damage first but this is still reliant on which bruiser you're playing. Attack speed centric bruisers like Jax or Irelia could probably go BotRK and Zephyr despite the BotRK nerfs (although once the Sheen buff hits and Trinity gets cheaper you'll probably be better off just going back to Trinity). AD scaling bruisers still prefer Bloodthirstier. Cooldown reliant bruisers (so lots of them) can get away with like Locket+Spirit Visage and delay damage items for later (although BC is still a good choice if you aren't gonna get Visage or something to CDR cap yourself).

The biggest thing about S3 is that there are, imo, a lot of viable build paths which vary depending on your champion, your team comp, the enemy team comp, and the flow of the game. If the people you're playing with are good you'll probably see a Locket and a Bulwark in every game.



Thanks! Odds are I still feed but I really appreciate the quick overview.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 09 2013 00:33 GMT
#1885
On March 09 2013 09:30 Chrispy wrote:
I just got dunked on mad hard by a Renekton named Fubguns. He went pure AD and pretty much 1 shot me as Ashe.

I saw you play vayne against Doublelift earlier. I lol'd.
liftlift > tsm
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 09 2013 00:38 GMT
#1886
i like to watch hotshot and doublelift but azubu.tv is too much of a pain in the ass. I can't wait for their shitty money laundering operation or whatever their business is to collapse.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 09 2013 00:38 GMT
#1887
On March 09 2013 09:27 xes wrote:
Garen still #1 top lane play him before the nerfs go through

The first set of nerfs have already gone through. I don't like Garen now, went against a Top lane Vayne in Blind Pick and it was miserable lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 09 2013 00:41 GMT
#1888
On March 09 2013 09:09 Serelitz wrote:People recommending Jax are stuck too much in S2 meta where it was all DPS bruisers like Irelia/Jax. He's not bad by any means but he's not very resembling of most currently strong toplaners either.


I learned Jax in season 3, I would hardly say I'm stuck in season 2. He's not seen much in competitive play, but there 2v1 lanes in pretty much every game competitive, which you're almost never going to see in solo que.

Most of the currently popular competitive solo tops (Elise, Nidalee, Singed,) are probably going to receive several nerfs on top of the ones they've already received (at least I suspect Riot will do this). If I had to guess, Jax probably isn't going to be touched once this entire season. He's a good starting point if you want to get better at top lane. Stronger isn't necessarily better if you want to learn. I'd argue Garen is a stronger pick than Jax overall, but Garen is pretty much a brain dead champion, so I'd never recommend him if someone wants to improve their top lane skills because they're likely to pick up a lot of really bad habits.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
March 09 2013 01:01 GMT
#1889
advising somebody whos not experienced top to start with jax when current fotm is singed,elise,renek,rumble,garen etc is not a good idea
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
March 09 2013 01:17 GMT
#1890
And advising someone to play Elise because she's FOTM is?

If your answer is yes, then why? She's likely to get nerfed and she's not mechanically easy.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
March 09 2013 01:18 GMT
#1891
yeah those guys all dunk on jax way too hard. the only one I would put as a somewhat decent matchup out of those is renekton and even then it can be tough.
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
March 09 2013 01:18 GMT
#1892
Because Jax gets completely wrecked by most of them.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
March 09 2013 01:23 GMT
#1893
On March 09 2013 10:17 zer0das wrote:
And advising someone to play Elise because she's FOTM is?

If your answer is yes, then why? She's likely to get nerfed and she's not mechanically easy.

She's not mechanically difficult.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 09 2013 01:32 GMT
#1894
I thought Jax could do pretty 0K against Garen and Elise by just stacking the appropriate defensive stat and bracing himself till 6, 7, sometimes 8 knowing he'll outscale them and be much stronger in teamfights.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 09 2013 01:34 GMT
#1895
On March 09 2013 10:32 Alaric wrote:
I thought Jax could do pretty 0K against Garen and Elise by just stacking the appropriate defensive stat and bracing himself till 6, 7, sometimes 8 knowing he'll outscale them and be much stronger in teamfights.


But that is not a good/fun way to learn a champion.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 09 2013 01:52 GMT
#1896
Singed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Jax
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 09 2013 02:00 GMT
#1897
how..
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-09 02:11:04
March 09 2013 02:10 GMT
#1898
On March 09 2013 08:29 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
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On March 09 2013 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote:
Best champ to learn Top lane with? Been trying Top more recently and have just been getting stomped. Any suggestions for a well rounded champ that has decent match-ups?

Play rengar. I just saw someone dunking games in a row with legendary rengar top. ad red quints armor yellow cdr blues.


pls don't give away my secrets
rengar has been OP since his last buff i don't need people playing him again
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
March 09 2013 02:18 GMT
#1899
On March 09 2013 11:10 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2013 08:29 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On March 09 2013 08:15 onlywonderboy wrote:
Best champ to learn Top lane with? Been trying Top more recently and have just been getting stomped. Any suggestions for a well rounded champ that has decent match-ups?

Play rengar. I just saw someone dunking games in a row with legendary rengar top. ad red quints armor yellow cdr blues.


pls don't give away my secrets
rengar has been OP since his last buff i don't need people playing him again

Hypothetically, would you play him(if indeed you played him) in a similar manner to Dekar173. Or as he refered to on Reddit, Best Rengar NA?

wink
wink
nudge
nudge
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 09 2013 02:30 GMT
#1900
i don't know who dekar173 is, but i play him ad/ad/armor/mr
rush a dragonball in a hard lane or necklace in an easy lane, or bruta in a medium lane
build the appropriate dragonball item (locket or visage), max E most of the time, win lane through attrition and go all-in when you can use his Q-ult to get double or triple Q proc

hardest lanes i've seen are diana and garen which are nigh unwinnable, everything else is pretty cake
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
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