EPT[Patch 3.03: Quinn] General Discussion - Page 72
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onlywonderboy
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Alaric
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Gahlo
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Me too. | ||
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wei2coolman
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On March 07 2013 13:29 jcarlsoniv wrote: SO EXCITED FOR NEW KARMA I feel like they should grant the special skin just for people who own her before this announcement :3 They decided to do this a loooooooong time ago. They've been working on her rework for a long time. I love the way Karma is now, but I'll reserve judgement for when I see her new kit. They planned twitch and eve rework too; for like a year and a half. doesn't mean they couldn't of spent some time on working out numbers before going to the nuclear option (remaking a character). | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On March 07 2013 13:48 wei2coolman wrote: They planned twitch and eve rework too; for like a year and a half. doesn't mean they couldn't of spent some time on working out numbers before going to the nuclear option (remaking a character). Although, if you really think a champ's kit is so bad that it needs a rework, you don't want to waste time pushing numbers around first. Although eve, twitch, and xin were reworked because it was impossible to put their old kits in a state where they would be viable at top levels while not being extraordinarily unpleasant to play against at low levels. Karma is different - as far as I can tell, she's being reworked solely because her kit is "boring". Along the way, they probably decided to do the visual / thematic / boob upgrade as well. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On March 07 2013 12:56 phyvo wrote: It better be just like the old bug! Minus the skillshot screwing. XD /dancewalk | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Yes, eve, twitch, xin, kat, taric, maybe needed to be completely overhauled; maybe they didn't (i'd argue taric and kat didn't really need rework), but Riot for the most part didn't even bother trying with eve, and twitch. "hey guiz, gunna rework these shit champs; be back in a year and a half, not even gunna bother changing some numbers at all" | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
I really like Karma right now as both a mid/top laner and in a apc/support kill lane as the apc. She is a really fun champion to play and can be effective when utilized properly but there is no denying that she is ultimately a limited champ. I am looking forward to the changes Riot made to her personally. From the information given out so far it looks like the play style will remain relatively similar as an apc with some support utility similar to Orianna or Lux. I do wish the character model had remained closer to the original however, and I am sad that she no longer has her fans. I really don't understand why anyone has any complaints about Riot reworking a champion that clearly needed some help. | ||
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Sufficiency
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On March 07 2013 14:02 wei2coolman wrote: The problem I have with it is that Riot showed no effort to try and give the champs a chance; before going to the drawing board. Yes, eve, twitch, xin, kat, taric, maybe needed to be completely overhauled; maybe they didn't (i'd argue taric and kat didn't really need rework), but Riot for the most part didn't even bother trying with eve, and twitch. "hey guiz, gunna rework these shit champs; be back in a year and a half, not even gunna bother changing some numbers at all" Wait what. Are you saying Eve and Kat did not need a rework? That is so untrue. Also I think AP Karma mid has some problems. At the end of the day, if I want to play a champion with strong shield and strong lane shove, there are Orianna, Janna, Morgana, Lux, and Lulu to choose from. AP Karma's range, dependence on mantra charges, lack of ult, and lack of CC makes her a very poor choice. Also I don't think you can solve this problem by adjusting her numerical values. Her design is simply fundamentally flawed. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 07 2013 14:11 Sufficiency wrote: Wait what. Are you saying Eve did not need a rework? That is so untrue. I never said that, I said taric and kat didn't need it. What I was saying, was Riot never bothered trying to work with her numbers after removing her out-of-stealth stun. EFFORT. EFFORT, none was exhibited. | ||
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barbsq
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 07 2013 14:13 wei2coolman wrote: I never said that, I said taric and kat didn't need it. What I was saying, was Riot never bothered trying to work with her numbers after removing her out-of-stealth stun. EFFORT. EFFORT, none was exhibited. Taric's changes were basically number changes. The only non-numerical change to Taric was his passive. Essentially, Taric's armor aura was too strong (it was never adjusted even though S3 made armor a lot more expensive), so they made his W % based and scales with his armor. If you want to argue that Taric's old passive was better, feel free. But IMO the mana regen is minor. | ||
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thenexusp
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Also, I'm fairly convinced all three people who main Karma do so for hipster reasons and not because they find Karma's design especially compelling in some way. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On March 07 2013 14:17 Sufficiency wrote: Taric's changes were basically number changes. The only non-numerical change to Taric was his passive. Essentially, Taric's armor aura was too strong (it was never adjusted even though S3 made armor a lot more expensive), so they made his W % based and scales with his armor. If you want to argue that Taric's old passive was better, feel free. But IMO the mana regen is minor. I was talking about OLD taric remake, when his ulti drained his mana, and made him a god. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On March 07 2013 14:19 wei2coolman wrote: I was talking about OLD taric remake, when his ulti drained his mana, and made him a god. t.t | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Too old for you? That taric was such an awesome taric; too bad roaming meta "op'd" during that time. I bet old taric would be super baller in s3. | ||
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Alaric
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wei2coolman
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On March 07 2013 14:31 Alaric wrote: Was he a tougher god than Swain though? 'cause that niche's supposed to be his. I dunno, I only got to play with him for a little bit, and that was my pre-30 days, so I wouldn't really be able to comment on his "god" status in reference to level of play now-a-days. But I definitely remember being a FABULOUS GOD while playing taric (also new chalice would be beyond broken on old-school taric imo). | ||
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ticklishmusic
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VayneAuthority
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