EPTOn February 03 2013 23:43 WhiteDog wrote:
Yeah just tried to connect, there is a 14 min queue to log on EU W, wtf.
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On February 03 2013 23:34 GregMandel wrote:
Lol ok i'm fked :D
Ty for your input tho
Edit : ok so I tried going into a custom game, didnt ork got stuck in champ select, and now when I wanna reconnect it says " connexion impossible for an unknown reason, go to blablabla "
HALP.
Can't connect to my smurf either TT
On February 03 2013 23:32 WhiteDog wrote:
No what I meant is that he is thinking through his production, actually all his build order are well thought out. But mechanics is also about how to go beyond that, and how to produce faster, the most efficient way, etc. At some point you need to train it. I remember when I was playing WC3, at some point I decided to be better, and played a lot, grinding the ladder, and focussing entirely on mechanics for two or three months. That's a proccess a lot of people are not doing, they think that just playing is enough to exercice their mechanics, while in fact you need to be completly dedicated to it, and put aside other part of the game : you don't need a build order to be fast or to produce more.
I've had that two days ago, tried to reconnect, and found out I was stuck in a ghost game, couldn't play for the next 2 hours or so lol.
On February 03 2013 23:27 Slayer91 wrote:
things like expanding and building works should be a critical part of your gameplay though and if you're ignoring that you're ignoring half the game which means he's not really a smart player at all he just thinks too much about unit use and not enough on unit production
On February 03 2013 23:12 WhiteDog wrote:
He plays lol (and jungle) and can get away with bad mechanics that's all. In lol, you can win if you have 30 cs less than your opponent, as long as you just know when or how to engage, etc.
I kinda agree with Yango, but it really depends on the person as you said. I have a friend who is really good and use his brain a lot when playing SC2, I barely play the game, but when he comes back to france (he is studying in the US right now) we usually go for a 1vs1 and I always crush him purely on mechanics. Despite the fact that he plays while I don't, his mechanics are not improving while his strategies are always really interesting and thoughtful, mainly because, as he is a thoughtful guy, he doesn't think improving mechanics is also something that needs to be brained : you need to focus on it for a long period of time until it is deeply carved in your hands.
People usually think that mechanics is just referring to the movement speed of your hand, but it's not, it's how your hand is accustomed with what you want to do, and how some action can become reflexes, being fast is not all there is about mechanics.
On the other side, strategy can be really simple, the main problem being how to gather informations, which informations are relevant to what you are doing and how to process them. On some games / position, those three steps can be really easy, on other it can be really hard. Personally, I know that mechanically I'm okayish, but that I have a hard time thinking about the game and asking myself what to do, when to do it, and tend to just let my hand do the game, which is not the correct way to play the game. I'm sure a guy with bad mechanics but better understanding of the game would do way better than me, but forcing yourself to always think through the game can be a real difficulty by itself.
Yeah my posts suck but whatever. It makes sense to me because I just understood that I barely ever think strategically about what I'm doing during games.
On February 03 2013 18:58 OutlaW- wrote:
Why hasn't Saint improved his terrible mechanics, then? Different people learn different things better.
On February 03 2013 18:56 TheYango wrote:
My quip is with wei2coolman's statement that "Strong mechanics is actually best indicator of potential imo. You can teach strategy, much harder to teach mechanics."
My personal feeling is the opposite is the case.
My quip is with wei2coolman's statement that "Strong mechanics is actually best indicator of potential imo. You can teach strategy, much harder to teach mechanics."
My personal feeling is the opposite is the case.
Why hasn't Saint improved his terrible mechanics, then? Different people learn different things better.
He plays lol (and jungle) and can get away with bad mechanics that's all. In lol, you can win if you have 30 cs less than your opponent, as long as you just know when or how to engage, etc.
I kinda agree with Yango, but it really depends on the person as you said. I have a friend who is really good and use his brain a lot when playing SC2, I barely play the game, but when he comes back to france (he is studying in the US right now) we usually go for a 1vs1 and I always crush him purely on mechanics. Despite the fact that he plays while I don't, his mechanics are not improving while his strategies are always really interesting and thoughtful, mainly because, as he is a thoughtful guy, he doesn't think improving mechanics is also something that needs to be brained : you need to focus on it for a long period of time until it is deeply carved in your hands.
People usually think that mechanics is just referring to the movement speed of your hand, but it's not, it's how your hand is accustomed with what you want to do, and how some action can become reflexes, being fast is not all there is about mechanics.
On the other side, strategy can be really simple, the main problem being how to gather informations, which informations are relevant to what you are doing and how to process them. On some games / position, those three steps can be really easy, on other it can be really hard. Personally, I know that mechanically I'm okayish, but that I have a hard time thinking about the game and asking myself what to do, when to do it, and tend to just let my hand do the game, which is not the correct way to play the game. I'm sure a guy with bad mechanics but better understanding of the game would do way better than me, but forcing yourself to always think through the game can be a real difficulty by itself.
Yeah my posts suck but whatever. It makes sense to me because I just understood that I barely ever think strategically about what I'm doing during games.
things like expanding and building works should be a critical part of your gameplay though and if you're ignoring that you're ignoring half the game which means he's not really a smart player at all he just thinks too much about unit use and not enough on unit production
No what I meant is that he is thinking through his production, actually all his build order are well thought out. But mechanics is also about how to go beyond that, and how to produce faster, the most efficient way, etc. At some point you need to train it. I remember when I was playing WC3, at some point I decided to be better, and played a lot, grinding the ladder, and focussing entirely on mechanics for two or three months. That's a proccess a lot of people are not doing, they think that just playing is enough to exercice their mechanics, while in fact you need to be completly dedicated to it, and put aside other part of the game : you don't need a build order to be fast or to produce more.
On February 03 2013 23:30 GregMandel wrote:
You're welcome
Quick question : Is anyone else having weird bugs with the client on EUW ? I've been looking for a game for 15mns and when i clicked to cancel the queue it said I was in a lobby
And now i'm at 5:00 of queue for normals and I had no message for dodging or whatever
Still saying I was in a lobby when cancel, wtf ? O-O
You're welcome
Quick question : Is anyone else having weird bugs with the client on EUW ? I've been looking for a game for 15mns and when i clicked to cancel the queue it said I was in a lobby
And now i'm at 5:00 of queue for normals and I had no message for dodging or whatever
Still saying I was in a lobby when cancel, wtf ? O-O
I've had that two days ago, tried to reconnect, and found out I was stuck in a ghost game, couldn't play for the next 2 hours or so lol.
Lol ok i'm fked :D
Ty for your input tho
Edit : ok so I tried going into a custom game, didnt ork got stuck in champ select, and now when I wanna reconnect it says " connexion impossible for an unknown reason, go to blablabla "
HALP.
Can't connect to my smurf either TT
Yeah just tried to connect, there is a 14 min queue to log on EU W, wtf.
Doesnt give me any, queue, just says can't connect for an unknown reason
And now it also says servers are busy. Riot pls.
edit : ok works again, and indeed theres the good old infinite queue
Riot's problem i guess
