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checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
February 01 2013 01:11 GMT
#41
They hit ezreal again... = ( im a sad panda.... will like to test this new division stuff, kinda a la SC2
El amor no mueve al mundo, ni hace brillar el sol, pero el amor hace latir este corazon....
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
February 01 2013 01:12 GMT
#42
the sightstone change is weird ... i dont like there being 2 rubys in the recipe essentially >_>
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 01:14:12
February 01 2013 01:13 GMT
#43
On February 01 2013 10:09 Ketara wrote:
What I like about Seekers Armguard as opposed to the chain vest is that a lot of times when I'm playing mid against an AD mid / heavy AD comp, I want to get that chain vest ASAP, but after I get it I don't want to upgrade it to Zhonyas till my 4th or even 5th major item, and it is a little lame to just have that chain vest sitting in inventory for so long with nothing to do with it aside from a 2300g upgrade.

Seekers Armguard when stacked basically allows me to have a mid tier item that gives the same armor but also has some AP on it, and it'll be a lot more comfortable to sit on that stacked and finish the Zhonyas late in the game.

Out of curiosity, which champs do you play?
Since my positioning is sub-par and I play a lot of mids that need to get close and personal to achieve stuff (Morgana, Swain, Viktor, Syndra notably) it tends to be my 2nd/3rd item (tends to replace Deathcap on Swain since I get RoA first, and on Viktor if I get smashed really hard because I rush Augment first). Which translates to me getting Zhonya pretty soon and suffering from the price increase and the fact that I shouldn't sit on stacked Seeker's for long anyway.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
February 01 2013 01:13 GMT
#44
When dos this patch thing end? because i want tstart ranked soon XD
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 01:15:33
February 01 2013 01:14 GMT
#45
On February 01 2013 10:12 spellsy wrote:
the sightstone change is weird ... i dont like there being 2 rubys in the recipe essentially >_>

Old soul shroud would like a word with you lol


Also the bots are going to be getting lots of HELP soon...
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 01 2013 01:14 GMT
#46
I don't get the complaints about Seekers. LiNk thinks that item is going to be popular as fk and I concur.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 01 2013 01:14 GMT
#47
My mids are like 80% Lux, 10% Ziggs, 10% Zyra atm.

Really don't care much about the Zhonyas active when I'm never fighting at sub-1000 range.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 01:22:16
February 01 2013 01:17 GMT
#48
Quoting from the past GD thread:

Mind sharing what in particular you focused on in those games that built up to a 200 point gain in elo?

It mostly has to do with jungling and playing support for me, which are the two general "roles" that I focused on the most since I started playing the game because I found them to be fascinating for whatever reasons. A huge jump was in me figuring out how to actually play Maokai jungle. I had a pretty abysmal 15% winrate or something like that until I started making way near the end of S2 where I lifted it to 40%ish. I think fundamentally, I came to slowly become perceptive to when gank opportunities will present themselves and because to play Maokai successfully you have to put pressure on the lanes in some way, this helped me with jungling in general with all other junglers. I also started to get a dim grasp of keeping track of the opposing jungler, placing wards strategically to keep track of the opposing jungler, etc. This indirectly improved my laning a little as I've developed a slight sensitivity to jungle presence. I still suck dick at playing solo lanes though. The same with happened with Udyr jungle as well, where I made my way from 10% winrate to 50+ by the end of S2. I find that I can apply what I learned from these two junglers to pretty much all junglers.

With support I've become more perceptive to the 2v2 lane dynamic with carries and supports, what each champ is capable of, and how I should try to play in response to the 4 person dance. So depending on the lane matchup, I've learned when I should be playing more carefully, when I can play more aggressively, certain timings that can be exploited, etc. "Lane presence" is what I started to dimly understand, I suppose.

A lot of the little things are all just little snippets of data I've accumulated by playing over the year, especially lane matchups and timings that come with levels. And of course there's learning item efficiencies, and becoming more accustomed to teamfights and keeping a clear head instead of becoming lost in the 5v5 fireworks. I still have huge problems retaining clarity in the midst of teamfights but I've improved a lot from the headless-deer-fire-at-will stutters.

My biggest problem with playing top or mid falls a lot to my lack of experience in there so I have a lot of knowledge gaps there. I'm pretty terrible at playing ad carry as well. I'm confident playing Zyra mid though, because she's so goddamned strong.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
February 01 2013 01:21 GMT
#49
i just saw new skin&champion sale. i was hoping for fizz or khazix T_____T

super sad
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 01:26:23
February 01 2013 01:25 GMT
#50
0K Ketara, I can totally see how our differing playstyles and champs make us hold different priorities toward Zhonya's. x)

On February 01 2013 10:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't get the complaints about Seekers. LiNk thinks that item is going to be popular as fk and I concur.

TL;DR:

1. Before, you had trade-offs, crutches/corner-cutting and this kind of decisions involved in starting items and build paths to survive an AD vs AP lane (cloth then sell, lose 90 to survive lane? Get Tabi instead of sorcs? Rush chainvest? Be a man and forego armour entirely?). In a sense there was depth to it, and it involved playstyle. Riot saying "super cheap cloth is always interesting now and expensive chain vest a lot less" takes away a lot of this.

2. On top of that, they did it because players complained about "having to start cloth+5 and waste gold on cloth". Basically it's lowering the skill level because of a tantrum on GD.

3. In the case where you built Zhonya early on, Seeker's is actually worse than chain vest timing-wise, you could have more armour earlier with a chain vest, and retain the better slot-efficiency till Seeker's is mostly stacked. For example against a bruta rush, you'll have to rush Seeker's or you'll have less armour than a chain vest by the time they finish it (sorcs+chainvest is roughly the price of boots+bruta, say).

See, I try to make shorter.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 01:27:26
February 01 2013 01:26 GMT
#51
On February 01 2013 10:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
I don't get the complaints about Seekers. LiNk thinks that item is going to be popular as fk and I concur.


It's a matter of principle, specifically, "Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.” – Antoine de Saint-Exupery

I don't like Seeker's Armguard because it's lazy. I don't mean that Riot is lazy, but that the item allows players to be lazy. The only thing stopping AP mids from starting Cloth Armor + 5p before was the inane idea that you can't buy an item unless it upgrades into something, or the idea that Tabi/Locket shouldn't be built on AP champions. Seeker's Armguard perpetuates these outmoded habits, promotes laziness of thought, and usurps the natural flow of discovery.

It's possible I am mistaken regarding the extent to which bruisers and AD casters/assassins were a problem mid, but my impression is that making an entirely new item for the problem was unnecessary. I played Kassadin versus a friend on Pantheon to prove this point a month and a half ago, and utterly crushed him (anecdata perhaps, but relevant).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 01 2013 01:32 GMT
#52
I just bought Shaco. -_-;
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 01 2013 01:35 GMT
#53
Hey, can you guys post less so I can read everything? ty
I didn't even get to finish reading the Fun vs Winning discussion.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
February 01 2013 01:36 GMT
#54
On February 01 2013 10:35 HazMat wrote:
Hey, can you guys post less so I can read everything? ty
I didn't even get to finish reading the Fun vs Winning discussion.

who gave you the right to read.....go stream I'm bored NAU
Cackle™
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 01 2013 01:37 GMT
#55
On February 01 2013 10:35 HazMat wrote:
Hey, can you guys post less so I can read everything? ty
I didn't even get to finish reading the Fun vs Winning discussion.

So it was fun but you ended up not knowing who won?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-01 01:39:56
February 01 2013 01:39 GMT
#56
On February 01 2013 10:37 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 10:35 HazMat wrote:
Hey, can you guys post less so I can read everything? ty
I didn't even get to finish reading the Fun vs Winning discussion.

So it was fun but you ended up not knowing who won?

^

Also, I can't help but notice Moonbear was one of the only TL'ers to comment on my DUALTAGE. Plz support me guize. Upboats to the left.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 01 2013 01:40 GMT
#57
AP Yi still viable?
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
February 01 2013 01:42 GMT
#58
Feels like everyones getting in their last dodges before the penalty comes back. Been in queue nearly 40 mins now.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 01 2013 01:47 GMT
#59
On February 01 2013 10:42 TheLink wrote:
Feels like everyones getting in their last dodges before the penalty comes back. Been in queue nearly 40 mins now.


the penalty is a fake.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
February 01 2013 01:47 GMT
#60
http://eune.lolesports.com/ http://na.lolesports.com/ LCS pages are up, with information on the teams, when the matches are, who plays who etc
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