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On January 03 2013 19:07 Vanka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 18:55 iCanada wrote:
As well I feel like people don't realize just how strong the melee carry options in S3 are.
I just feel like these teamcomps not being explored as much as they should be (well, in NA/EU atleast, I have no idea what China and Korea are doing). Especially since I think that they should counter the major assassin craze right now. I agree with this so hard. Itemization has never favoured melee carries more. Crucible, the qss upgrade, locket, blade of the ruined king... Let's just think briefly about the main issues with the melee ad carry: A) Hard countered by cc. But now you have so many more cleanses than there ever were... B) Laning. Can easily make a 4-support-1 team comp with decent lane if a five premade was willing to consider it C) Can be kited (other than master yi). But you have now shard of true ice, boots and masteries that negate slows specificially, the qss upgrade speed boost... D) Sieging towers. Buy ohmwrecker.
Most of the Melee carries i mentioned can't even be kited. Fiora has two dashes, Shyvana/Hec have R, Jax lol, J4 has two nice jumps... once of these guys wants to kill you they going to kill you with Crucible and Mercurial Scepter.
I do thing you should still have a ranged AD carry, but the melee ones at six items right now are actually much scarier if they allowed to do damage.
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On January 03 2013 19:12 Chexx wrote:
nicegame.tv is live again!
Xenics storm vs team op
ustream stream incredibly laggy for me. Any mirrors? or english casts by chance?
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On January 03 2013 19:07 Vanka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 18:55 iCanada wrote:
As well I feel like people don't realize just how strong the melee carry options in S3 are.
I just feel like these teamcomps not being explored as much as they should be (well, in NA/EU atleast, I have no idea what China and Korea are doing). Especially since I think that they should counter the major assassin craze right now. I agree with this so hard. Itemization has never favoured melee carries more. Crucible, the qss upgrade, locket, blade of the ruined king... Let's just think briefly about the main issues with the melee ad carry: A) Hard countered by cc. But now you have so many more cleanses than there ever were... B) Laning. Can easily make a 4-support-1 team comp with decent lane if a five premade was willing to consider it C) Can be kited (other than master yi). But you have now shard of true ice, boots and masteries that negate slows specificially, the qss upgrade speed boost... D) Sieging towers. Buy ohmwrecker.
Melee Carries still get blown up though.. Even if they dont' get hard CC'd they get nuked on HARD, only real viable one is trynd in regards to being able to tank + cleanse through hard cc.
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On January 03 2013 19:18 Perplex wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:12 Chexx wrote:
nicegame.tv is live again!
Xenics storm vs team op ustream stream incredibly laggy for me. Any mirrors? or english casts by chance?
only this one and there is no english cast for this.
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On January 03 2013 19:22 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:18 Perplex wrote:On January 03 2013 19:12 Chexx wrote:
nicegame.tv is live again!
Xenics storm vs team op ustream stream incredibly laggy for me. Any mirrors? or english casts by chance? only this one and there is no english cast for this.
stream link plssssssssss
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On January 03 2013 19:26 justiceknight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:22 Chexx wrote:On January 03 2013 19:18 Perplex wrote:On January 03 2013 19:12 Chexx wrote:
nicegame.tv is live again!
Xenics storm vs team op ustream stream incredibly laggy for me. Any mirrors? or english casts by chance? only this one and there is no english cast for this. stream link plssssssssss
nicegame.tv or http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nicegametvhd
stream is embedded on their frontpage
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On January 03 2013 19:28 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:26 justiceknight wrote:On January 03 2013 19:22 Chexx wrote:On January 03 2013 19:18 Perplex wrote:On January 03 2013 19:12 Chexx wrote:
nicegame.tv is live again!
Xenics storm vs team op ustream stream incredibly laggy for me. Any mirrors? or english casts by chance? only this one and there is no english cast for this. stream link plssssssssss nicegame.tv or http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nicegametvhdstream is embedded on their frontpage
whos that Doublelimft LOL
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On January 03 2013 17:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Does anyone have an idea of how to estimate how much gold pickpocket gives you? Just how often do you attack another guy ~_~
Wait until the new patch.
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On January 03 2013 19:30 justiceknight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:28 Chexx wrote:On January 03 2013 19:26 justiceknight wrote:On January 03 2013 19:22 Chexx wrote:On January 03 2013 19:18 Perplex wrote:On January 03 2013 19:12 Chexx wrote:
nicegame.tv is live again!
Xenics storm vs team op ustream stream incredibly laggy for me. Any mirrors? or english casts by chance? only this one and there is no english cast for this. stream link plssssssssss nicegame.tv or http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nicegametvhdstream is embedded on their frontpage whos that Doublelimft LOL
is DL still in Korea? lol
edit: LUX SNIPEEEEEE
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On January 03 2013 19:18 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:07 Vanka wrote:On January 03 2013 18:55 iCanada wrote:
As well I feel like people don't realize just how strong the melee carry options in S3 are.
I just feel like these teamcomps not being explored as much as they should be (well, in NA/EU atleast, I have no idea what China and Korea are doing). Especially since I think that they should counter the major assassin craze right now. I agree with this so hard. Itemization has never favoured melee carries more. Crucible, the qss upgrade, locket, blade of the ruined king... Let's just think briefly about the main issues with the melee ad carry: A) Hard countered by cc. But now you have so many more cleanses than there ever were... B) Laning. Can easily make a 4-support-1 team comp with decent lane if a five premade was willing to consider it C) Can be kited (other than master yi). But you have now shard of true ice, boots and masteries that negate slows specificially, the qss upgrade speed boost... D) Sieging towers. Buy ohmwrecker. Melee Carries still get blown up though.. Even if they dont' get hard CC'd they get nuked on HARD, only real viable one is trynd in regards to being able to tank + cleanse through hard cc.
Tryn's viable in the case of both teams have 4 people at 6 items, which melee carry(different than casters in that they have auto-attack steroids AND generally lack non-ultimate burst damage) do I want to be scenario. The rest of them generally have to build at least 2x survivability items to not blow up instantly(probably warmogs+randuins/GA)
Arguably the only one that fits that criteria that has been run competitively is nocturne, and apart from the midlane noct in OGN, has almost always been built wriggles-> tank.
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On January 03 2013 19:39 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:18 wei2coolman wrote:On January 03 2013 19:07 Vanka wrote:On January 03 2013 18:55 iCanada wrote:
As well I feel like people don't realize just how strong the melee carry options in S3 are.
I just feel like these teamcomps not being explored as much as they should be (well, in NA/EU atleast, I have no idea what China and Korea are doing). Especially since I think that they should counter the major assassin craze right now. I agree with this so hard. Itemization has never favoured melee carries more. Crucible, the qss upgrade, locket, blade of the ruined king... Let's just think briefly about the main issues with the melee ad carry: A) Hard countered by cc. But now you have so many more cleanses than there ever were... B) Laning. Can easily make a 4-support-1 team comp with decent lane if a five premade was willing to consider it C) Can be kited (other than master yi). But you have now shard of true ice, boots and masteries that negate slows specificially, the qss upgrade speed boost... D) Sieging towers. Buy ohmwrecker. Melee Carries still get blown up though.. Even if they dont' get hard CC'd they get nuked on HARD, only real viable one is trynd in regards to being able to tank + cleanse through hard cc. Tryn's viable in the case of both teams have 4 people at 6 items, which melee carry(different than casters in that they have auto-attack steroids AND generally lack non-ultimate burst damage) do I want to be scenario. The rest of them generally have to build at least 2x survivability items to not blow up instantly(probably warmogs+randuins/GA) Arguably the only one that fits that criteria that has been run competitively is nocturne, and apart from the midlane noct in OGN, has almost always been built wriggles-> tank.
Mid Noc is mostly about blowing people up with his RQ then die. He relies on his burst and his huge gapcloser instead of pure DPS.
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On January 03 2013 19:18 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:07 Vanka wrote:On January 03 2013 18:55 iCanada wrote:
As well I feel like people don't realize just how strong the melee carry options in S3 are.
I just feel like these teamcomps not being explored as much as they should be (well, in NA/EU atleast, I have no idea what China and Korea are doing). Especially since I think that they should counter the major assassin craze right now. I agree with this so hard. Itemization has never favoured melee carries more. Crucible, the qss upgrade, locket, blade of the ruined king... Let's just think briefly about the main issues with the melee ad carry: A) Hard countered by cc. But now you have so many more cleanses than there ever were... B) Laning. Can easily make a 4-support-1 team comp with decent lane if a five premade was willing to consider it C) Can be kited (other than master yi). But you have now shard of true ice, boots and masteries that negate slows specificially, the qss upgrade speed boost... D) Sieging towers. Buy ohmwrecker. Melee Carries still get blown up though.. Even if they dont' get hard CC'd they get nuked on HARD, only real viable one is trynd in regards to being able to tank + cleanse through hard cc.
Melee carries are still tankier than their ranged counterparts, and with runic bulwark, the qss upgrade giving 45 mr while being an offensive item, and with a team that could run ap janna, ap lulu, and support soraka, it's significantly harder to get blown up.
One of the biggest issue with melee ads has always been that cc prevents them from getting their massive amounts of life steal that allows them to tank a fair bit of damage. Take away that and you have a ton of possibilities in a 4-support-1 game. Imagine an ad sion that couldn't be kited and could always use his ult to the fullest extent.
EDIT: Or karma! Lux shield! Orianna shield! Imagine a mundo built ad carry with a warmogs that gets infinity shields placed on him when he gets low melting through people with his steriod!
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On January 03 2013 19:30 justiceknight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:28 Chexx wrote:On January 03 2013 19:26 justiceknight wrote:On January 03 2013 19:22 Chexx wrote:On January 03 2013 19:18 Perplex wrote:On January 03 2013 19:12 Chexx wrote:
nicegame.tv is live again!
Xenics storm vs team op ustream stream incredibly laggy for me. Any mirrors? or english casts by chance? only this one and there is no english cast for this. stream link plssssssssss nicegame.tv or http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nicegametvhdstream is embedded on their frontpage whos that Doublelimft LOL
pretty sure its manyreason trolling
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On January 03 2013 19:39 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:18 wei2coolman wrote:On January 03 2013 19:07 Vanka wrote:On January 03 2013 18:55 iCanada wrote:
As well I feel like people don't realize just how strong the melee carry options in S3 are.
I just feel like these teamcomps not being explored as much as they should be (well, in NA/EU atleast, I have no idea what China and Korea are doing). Especially since I think that they should counter the major assassin craze right now. I agree with this so hard. Itemization has never favoured melee carries more. Crucible, the qss upgrade, locket, blade of the ruined king... Let's just think briefly about the main issues with the melee ad carry: A) Hard countered by cc. But now you have so many more cleanses than there ever were... B) Laning. Can easily make a 4-support-1 team comp with decent lane if a five premade was willing to consider it C) Can be kited (other than master yi). But you have now shard of true ice, boots and masteries that negate slows specificially, the qss upgrade speed boost... D) Sieging towers. Buy ohmwrecker. Melee Carries still get blown up though.. Even if they dont' get hard CC'd they get nuked on HARD, only real viable one is trynd in regards to being able to tank + cleanse through hard cc. Tryn's viable in the case of both teams have 4 people at 6 items, which melee carry(different than casters in that they have auto-attack steroids AND generally lack non-ultimate burst damage) do I want to be scenario. The rest of them generally have to build at least 2x survivability items to not blow up instantly(probably warmogs+randuins/GA) Arguably the only one that fits that criteria that has been run competitively is nocturne, and apart from the midlane noct in OGN, has almost always been built wriggles-> tank.
But the thing is there are legitimate Carry items that give you defences.
No reason not to build both Mercurial Scepter and Frozen Fists on msot of these champions. Add in Hydra Lifesteal that pretty scary.
I honestly dont think Tryn Viable melee carry out of ones available,m he too easily kited. Think Fiora much much better. Would rather have the defensive steroids of a Jax or Shyvana as well.
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so shy just builds 2x doran blades>warmogs on everyone even on assassins like zed Oo
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On January 03 2013 19:43 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 19:39 Amui wrote:On January 03 2013 19:18 wei2coolman wrote:On January 03 2013 19:07 Vanka wrote:On January 03 2013 18:55 iCanada wrote:
As well I feel like people don't realize just how strong the melee carry options in S3 are.
I just feel like these teamcomps not being explored as much as they should be (well, in NA/EU atleast, I have no idea what China and Korea are doing). Especially since I think that they should counter the major assassin craze right now. I agree with this so hard. Itemization has never favoured melee carries more. Crucible, the qss upgrade, locket, blade of the ruined king... Let's just think briefly about the main issues with the melee ad carry: A) Hard countered by cc. But now you have so many more cleanses than there ever were... B) Laning. Can easily make a 4-support-1 team comp with decent lane if a five premade was willing to consider it C) Can be kited (other than master yi). But you have now shard of true ice, boots and masteries that negate slows specificially, the qss upgrade speed boost... D) Sieging towers. Buy ohmwrecker. Melee Carries still get blown up though.. Even if they dont' get hard CC'd they get nuked on HARD, only real viable one is trynd in regards to being able to tank + cleanse through hard cc. Tryn's viable in the case of both teams have 4 people at 6 items, which melee carry(different than casters in that they have auto-attack steroids AND generally lack non-ultimate burst damage) do I want to be scenario. The rest of them generally have to build at least 2x survivability items to not blow up instantly(probably warmogs+randuins/GA) Arguably the only one that fits that criteria that has been run competitively is nocturne, and apart from the midlane noct in OGN, has almost always been built wriggles-> tank. But the thing is there are legitimate Carry items that give you defences. No reason not to build both Mercurial Scepter and Frozen Fists on msot of these champions. Add in Hydra Lifesteal that pretty scary.
You will 100% still blow up in melee if your only defensive items are mercurial and FF. A 6 item AD/AP will not give a shit that you have 130/130 resist instead of 80/80. An ER from a 600 AP anivia will "only" do about 1/3 your health, an AD carry will only shoot you for 300 a shot, 750 with crit.
You need to remember with the penetration changes, resists aren't worth as much, especially when you have low amounts of it. You need high EHP to survive, which is only really gotten through stuff like warmogs+resist item or randuins/SV
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wait is this a rebroadcast of teamop vs xenics
i thought i watched it two days ago, but it was hella late which may be why i dont recognize the games (besides the lb support)
OH is it bo3 matches of bo3 each
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Brackets of the S3 EU Online Qualifier: http://binarybeast.com/xLoL1301025#brackets
Some notes:
* Eloblade = Alternate
* CHILLOUT6GGMIX = Millenium
* NieOgarniamyPatcha = Absolute Legends
* ROTE WURST GESCHWADER = Mousesports
* Team roll1ng = Fureur
* CatXXX and the gang = iQuit Gaming
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On January 03 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 13:38 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So I turned on destiny's stream because of the posts here. Incredibly annoying. Ragey. Stupid. I wouldn't be worried about his elo. There are players like shake and durr at 1800 who will just take all his elo away. I think they might have gotten too used to other players being competent at their roles at 2200+ though, so they'll have to figure that out how to carry again. Edging out a win by playing that 5% better isn't a viable strategy with the variability of play I find at 1800. the only way to get out of 1800 is mass game or just get lucky at that elo, you have maybe a...3% chance of changing the outcome of the game. Season 3 is even more snowbally than season 2 and I didnt think that was possible lol. has anyone played a close game ever?
So if everyone has a 3% of changing the outcome of the game, the ten players (assuming all solo queue) have a total 30% chance of changing the outcome.
Where do the other 70% come from?
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On January 03 2013 20:47 bmn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 14:10 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 03 2013 13:38 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
So I turned on destiny's stream because of the posts here. Incredibly annoying. Ragey. Stupid. I wouldn't be worried about his elo. There are players like shake and durr at 1800 who will just take all his elo away. I think they might have gotten too used to other players being competent at their roles at 2200+ though, so they'll have to figure that out how to carry again. Edging out a win by playing that 5% better isn't a viable strategy with the variability of play I find at 1800. the only way to get out of 1800 is mass game or just get lucky at that elo, you have maybe a...3% chance of changing the outcome of the game. Season 3 is even more snowbally than season 2 and I didnt think that was possible lol. has anyone played a close game ever? So if everyone has a 3% of changing the outcome of the game, the ten players (assuming all solo queue) have a total 30% chance of changing the outcome. Where do the other 70% come from?
Pray to God that he has mercy on your soul....
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