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On January 01 2013 15:21 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 15:16 beefhamburger wrote:
Question: Hurricane procs with triforce and lich bane procs, yes? Yes, all on-hit effects. Including Frozen Mallet and Teemo poison, it's so stupid good on Teemo.
I'm 95% sure I read a Rioter specifically stating that effects that are consumed on the next hit only work for the main attack. For an item to work with the extra hurricane procs it needs to affect *every* auto attack. So mallet/BotrK/lifesteal/WE/Malady in, sheen/everything else out.
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incontrol should hit the treadmill before he talks about player image, hes a posterboy for people that bash gamers.
anyways, MF is ok with black cleaver but after the nerf BT --> LW is much more preferable. if they rebuff black cleaver then start getting it on her again.
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On January 01 2013 15:43 Praetorial wrote:iNcontroL: Show nested quote + LoL / DotA2 players are not as refined as SC2 players. Their streams are more casual, their sponsorship representation/love is taken less seriously/not cared for, their players have fewer twitter followers because they don't really care to work on advertising themselves or their media and in general the gaming industry finds them harder to deal with for these reasons but also quite frankly because they are less mature.
incontrol is right, it's league of casual right now (not that I mind)
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Best riven NA going 10-0 bot as riven fiddle after 6:40 on PLs stream. Pretty fun to listen to PL and Jaximus
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On January 01 2013 15:54 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 15:43 Praetorial wrote:iNcontroL: LoL / DotA2 players are not as refined as SC2 players. Their streams are more casual, their sponsorship representation/love is taken less seriously/not cared for, their players have fewer twitter followers because they don't really care to work on advertising themselves or their media and in general the gaming industry finds them harder to deal with for these reasons but also quite frankly because they are less mature. incontrol is right, it's league of casual right now (not that I mind)
For majority of NA scene, yeah. But, asian side of it is pretty serious.
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On January 01 2013 15:53 phyvo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 15:21 Zooper31 wrote:On January 01 2013 15:16 beefhamburger wrote:
Question: Hurricane procs with triforce and lich bane procs, yes? Yes, all on-hit effects. Including Frozen Mallet and Teemo poison, it's so stupid good on Teemo. I'm 95% sure I read a Rioter specifically stating that effects that are consumed on the next hit only work for the main attack. For an item to work with the extra hurricane procs it needs to affect *every* auto attack. So mallet/BotrK/lifesteal/WE/Malady in, sheen/everything else out.
Just read the wiki.
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On January 01 2013 15:54 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 15:43 Praetorial wrote:iNcontroL: LoL / DotA2 players are not as refined as SC2 players. Their streams are more casual, their sponsorship representation/love is taken less seriously/not cared for, their players have fewer twitter followers because they don't really care to work on advertising themselves or their media and in general the gaming industry finds them harder to deal with for these reasons but also quite frankly because they are less mature. incontrol is right, it's league of casual right now (not that I mind)
He's definitely accurate with his statement. It's not really a major problem for a lot of the LoL teams because the top tier ones are doing fine. But given how big their game is in comparison to SC2, if more teams got their shit together it would be a different story in how dollars are doled out. The less mature thing is obviously subjective, but that hardly makes the other point moot even if you disagree with it.
However, I think Inctontrol's view is largely clouded strictly being on EG. EG is probably the absolute poster-child for how a team should operate in terms of marketing and sponsorship and no other sc2 team really matches them in that regard, let alone a LoL one. For that reason alone, I think he has a hard time seeing the forest for the trees.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On January 01 2013 15:44 OutlaW- wrote:
Sigh.. Can we just ignore that happened? No? Okay. ;_;
Let me take that out of context.
Lets be BFF again Outlaw, while I am currently married with Equilash and with love interests overseas, best friendship can't hurt any of their feelings <3
Being very very tired is the best drug ever btw., not only do you think weird but you remember everything. And the day after you are really really happy you didn't do the things you thought you should while tired, because they are plain ridiculous. I am just so bold during the night, after 19 hours of being awake. Am I too off topic? Hope not, half the people probably did some things today given it's a new year.
Happy new year!
vvvvvv I was a Destiny fan back when he streamed sc2, he was really funny. He still is for the record, but he is pretty bad, also being toxic in LoL is like 10000% worse than being toxic in sc2 (because that game is 1v1) so I am forced to empathise with his victims now, which makes me feel all moody and think about death a lot.
But he is+was really funny.
It's also funny that you need nerves of steel to deal with toxic people. Ho ho ho
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On January 01 2013 11:50 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 11:47 Roffles wrote:On January 01 2013 07:49 HazMat wrote:On January 01 2013 07:45 Kouda wrote:
Destiny shot up like 400 elo in like 2 weeks. The fuck.. lol GOT MY SMURF READY. DESTINY WILL REGRET BANNING ME FROM HIS IRC. PLZ DO. Someone's gotta ELO Police that guy. Why? I really don't understand the hate for destiny. + Show Spoiler +also it's elo (name of guy who invented it)
Unskilled, is a jackass, has done things that would get anyone else permabanned here, but not only isn't banned but is also featured (lol) because they wanted TL to be a "repository of 'prominent' sc2 streams." I'll spare you all the ways that's a joke of a reason, but it's what admins went with way back when during all the drama. If you dig hard enough to find the threads in website feedback then you can find them.
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On January 01 2013 15:58 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 15:53 phyvo wrote:On January 01 2013 15:21 Zooper31 wrote:On January 01 2013 15:16 beefhamburger wrote:
Question: Hurricane procs with triforce and lich bane procs, yes? Yes, all on-hit effects. Including Frozen Mallet and Teemo poison, it's so stupid good on Teemo. I'm 95% sure I read a Rioter specifically stating that effects that are consumed on the next hit only work for the main attack. For an item to work with the extra hurricane procs it needs to affect *every* auto attack. So mallet/BotrK/lifesteal/WE/Malady in, sheen/everything else out. Just read the wiki.
It agrees with me. Or maybe you're criticizing that I'm not using the wiki to answer the question? If not you probably just caught it at a bad edit, it's not that uncommon, which is why I don't rely on it.
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On January 01 2013 15:32 obesechicken13 wrote:
I think someone said a few days ago that MF, Garen, and Wukong could all make a large use out of black cleaver because of how fast they can AoE apply max stacks of BC. I have to agree.
In OGN Winter MF is in basically every game and goes BC first item, MF + Amumu ult comp is huge.
On January 01 2013 15:43 Praetorial wrote:iNcontroL: Show nested quote + LoL / DotA2 players are not as refined as SC2 players. Their streams are more casual, their sponsorship representation/love is taken less seriously/not cared for, their players have fewer twitter followers because they don't really care to work on advertising themselves or their media and in general the gaming industry finds them harder to deal with for these reasons but also quite frankly because they are less mature.
Did anyone else find this line hilarious? LESS TWITTER FOLLOWERS NEENERNEENER
On January 01 2013 15:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
incontrol should hit the treadmill before he talks about player image, hes a posterboy for people that bash gamers.
anyways, MF is ok with black cleaver but after the nerf BT --> LW is much more preferable. if they rebuff black cleaver then start getting it on her again.
incontrol is a beast of an athlete, idk what you're talking about.
unrelated to this, i'm watching wingsofdeathx for the first time and he's whiny as fuck and bitches about everything o.o
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On January 01 2013 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 15:54 101toss wrote:On January 01 2013 15:43 Praetorial wrote:iNcontroL: LoL / DotA2 players are not as refined as SC2 players. Their streams are more casual, their sponsorship representation/love is taken less seriously/not cared for, their players have fewer twitter followers because they don't really care to work on advertising themselves or their media and in general the gaming industry finds them harder to deal with for these reasons but also quite frankly because they are less mature. incontrol is right, it's league of casual right now (not that I mind) For majority of NA scene, yeah. But, asian side of it is pretty serious.
I mean the thing is, many western SC2 pros either did play BW, or were quickly brought into the culture of the western BW scene (which more or less drove the beta/early SC2 scene's progress). Western BW more or less treats/treated Korean BW as the ideal model for E-sports, and so the relative professionalism is inherited from it. That professionalism still exists in Asian E-sports regardless of what game it is, but Western LoL and DotA grew from nothing, so they didn't inherit that tradition of professionalism.
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I've only played baseball but I think hockey players are violent immature assholes.
#ithinki'mbetterthanyoubecauseidon'tplayyourgame
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why does zionspartan not have TD tag?
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On January 01 2013 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 15:54 101toss wrote:On January 01 2013 15:43 Praetorial wrote:iNcontroL: LoL / DotA2 players are not as refined as SC2 players. Their streams are more casual, their sponsorship representation/love is taken less seriously/not cared for, their players have fewer twitter followers because they don't really care to work on advertising themselves or their media and in general the gaming industry finds them harder to deal with for these reasons but also quite frankly because they are less mature. incontrol is right, it's league of casual right now (not that I mind) For majority of NA scene, yeah. But, asian side of it is pretty serious.
Thats because people with experience got behind the LoL scene there (OGN, etc). Honestly I'm sick of hearing this shit. It's true, but its also completely unsurprising. Organizations like, idunno, team EG, turned up their noses at the LoL scene in North America, so the NA teams had to make their own way. TSM and CLG are what - 2 years old? SC2 players have organizations with years of experience behind them (team EG is ~13 years old). And also have a history of competitive gaming that goes back 15 years. In the NA LoL scene, LoL is almost every players first participation in a competitive game.
That kinda attitude (from incontrol) pisses me off because if people with experience in esports had gotten behind LoL, say, a year or two ago, they could have done a LOT of good for the scene. Can you imagine if TSM or CLG had been picked up by EG back in 2011 where they would be competitively, what they could have accomplished with a serious and experienced organization behind them? But instead most people with experience completely turned their noses at LoL and so the scene had to develop itself. So IMO people like incontrol criticizing the LoL scene for lack of professionalism or maturity is beyond hypocrisy.
/rant
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On January 01 2013 17:35 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2013 15:57 wei2coolman wrote:On January 01 2013 15:54 101toss wrote:On January 01 2013 15:43 Praetorial wrote:iNcontroL: LoL / DotA2 players are not as refined as SC2 players. Their streams are more casual, their sponsorship representation/love is taken less seriously/not cared for, their players have fewer twitter followers because they don't really care to work on advertising themselves or their media and in general the gaming industry finds them harder to deal with for these reasons but also quite frankly because they are less mature. incontrol is right, it's league of casual right now (not that I mind) For majority of NA scene, yeah. But, asian side of it is pretty serious. Thats because people with experience got behind the LoL scene there (OGN, etc). Honestly I'm sick of hearing this shit. It's true, but its also completely unsurprising. Organizations like, idunno, team EG, turned up their noses at the LoL scene in North America, so the NA teams had to make their own way. TSM and CLG are what - 2 years old? SC2 players have organizations with years of experience behind them (team EG is ~13 years old). And also have a history of competitive gaming that goes back 15 years. In the NA LoL scene, LoL is almost every players first participation in a competitive game. That kinda attitude (from incontrol) pisses me off because if people with experience in esports had gotten behind LoL, say, a year or two ago, they could have done a LOT of good for the scene. Can you imagine if TSM or CLG had been picked up by EG back in 2011 where they would be competitively, what they could have accomplished with a serious and experienced organization behind them? But instead most people with experience completely turned their noses at LoL and so the scene had to develop itself. So IMO people like incontrol criticizing the LoL scene for lack of professionalism or maturity is beyond hypocrisy. /rant
EG will have a team, they've said they explored the options but were not happy when Riot said they could only have an LoL team, that was an obvious no go (Riots stances has since softened on this). They'll have one at some point in 2013 and the funny part is that team will cripple sponsorship opportunities for many other LoL teams, you better believe an EG team will be professional. Hate on Idra BM and Incontrol skill all you want, but they shill extremely well. EG also does a great job of tracking exposure and providing measurables for their sponsors, something many other NA teams could learn from.
If I had to guees, I'd say CLG.EU will get picked up by EG. I have concerns about some of the members, but they are extremely popular and Snoopeh in particular is just begging for a big organization to market him. The way he handles interviews now is extremely good, with some marketing and coaching behind him he'd be a great addition to the EG lineup (the rest of his team would take some work though.)
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so whats better on jungle olaf is it worth to buy philo stone and leave machete unupgraded or get spirit stone and completely ignore philo ?
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either is fine, you can go madreds to philo too, just dont get wriggles because you dont need
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lol @ chauster being a top jungle NA
double is a top player NA and the rest of CLG is like 90th percentile players, nothing better h4h4h4h
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In pro games during picks and bans, can the teams see the names/summoner spells of the other team? Or does it just say Summoner 1 2 3 so they don't know after trades who has which champ?
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