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On December 14 2012 02:57 Argoth. wrote:
Seriously dude, do yourself a favor and get like 3-4 champs for every role (the cheap ones are fine) and try Normal draft. It's soooo much better than blind pick where people just instalock.
I agree that you don't have to deal with insta-lockers, but what you deal with instead is
a) dodging - even though the games are not ranked, you'll still get tons of dodgers compared to blind pick game - it's fucking ridiculous.
b) IF no one dodges, the game takes a good 5-10 extra minutes to actually start compared to a blind pick game.
So in the end, if you play draft, you aren't going to be able to play as many games given the amount of free time you may have, although the overall quality of your games will likely be higher. That being said, if I were still in the leveling stage, I would NOT play draft, as it would take a LOOONG time to get enough XP to reach 30.
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On December 14 2012 03:05 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 02:57 Argoth. wrote:
Seriously dude, do yourself a favor and get like 3-4 champs for every role (the cheap ones are fine) and try Normal draft. It's soooo much better than blind pick where people just instalock. ^ yes this. Some people flame you if you don't have runes or aren't level 30 though...
Only problem with normal draft if you're trying to level is the amount of time it can take between games. You have to sit and wait through at least one ban/pick setup but there's a pretty good chance someone is gonna ragequit before the game starts. My worst so far is 4 drafts before we hit the loading screen =D If you just want to play, keep doing normals blind. That said, I agree that draft helps with role assignments and filtering out a few of the more obvious trolls.
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i played normal blinds from 1-30. it was fine.
when you start playing and you watch streams and stuff, you feel like there's a way the game is "supposed" to be played.
stop.
what you need to do is recognize how to win with the hand that you're given. if you have 3 bruisers and 2 AP mids, it's not like the game is over. there are advantages that the team has. figure out how to play it. that's how the game becomes fun. if you play hard support and your AD carry is crappy and autoattacking the wave, maybe you shouldn't be playing hard support and buying support items. maybe you need to steal cs and build different items. maybe you need to roam.
be flexible. work on enjoying the game. don't expect the game to follow a certain protocol, and try to make the best of your situation.
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for me normal games are for learning the champions, trying out new builds, or champion comps. I try to play all champions of the new free pool and I never read any forums or so about them because I belive it's much benefitiale to think about what items are good yourself (and try them obviously). Latter when you want to get more into buisiness with one champ I consider reading a guide and like, yeah... makes sense that they suggeste that skill order etc.
tldr:
Normale = training games
ranked = srs buisiness
Even though I am level 30 and 13xx ranked, I am very new to LoL, because I, like you went through leveling with lvl boost and then started playing ranked right away. (I can't belive that played with 400 normal wins are below 1300^^)
Either way, while playing r anked I realized how few champs I actually knew, and that's why I am leveling a new acc to play all the champions again and get a grip of them without getting flamed 24/7 for not knowing how to play them perfectly. I enjoy it alot, and for break I play some ranked games on my main.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Play with friends. Can't stress that part enough.
I think the most fun I had on League was grinding 1-30 with some friends. Didn't matter that we all blew, especially the fake 30s, but it was entertaining and real fun.
I honestly don't think I'd be still playing League if I didn't grind 1-30 with friends.
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yeah always play with your friends. I grinded through 1-30 by role playing our champions in all chat while playing. that was fun 
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Yeah, play with friends. If possible, get a bunch of friends to all start so you're all leveling up at the same time. It makes it much much more enjoyable.
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I don't think I could play this game at all if I didn't have friends that play. Makes it more fun when you win because you have people to enjoy it with, and less bad when you lose because you can QQ together about teammates.
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i'd play more of this game if i didn't always think that riot is just screwing with its players by designing this system, where you the player has to put in a lot of time to unlock things that in turn gain value because you yourself has put in the work. it's selling a platform, which is the way to go for microtransaction stuff, but by buying into the model you are screwing yourself out of a lot of time.
it is just too devious to make me feel that i'm not raping myself by playing.
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Don't pick what your team needs. Why? because at that level the most probable thing to happen is that you will not have a jungler/support. All brusiers, all carries, all ad, all ap. Different things can happen, but you will need a lot of things to fill that your team will need that most of the time will be impossible.
You can fill ap/ad tho, or tank or damage. Basic stuff.
I was able to play the game on early levels because me and friends started playing together.
We played with a jungler since level 5 or 6... and we did not play without jungler since then. We played with support since level 19 and the same story. And now we have a team that is willing to learn team basic stuff like team comp, some strategies and start theorycrafting.
So what's the secret? try to make friends in the game. Meet some people, talk nicely with friends and learn together.
Btw, my team are my friends of Starcraft:Broodwar, so it was pretty easy for us to make a team.
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On December 13 2012 22:31 McDutch wrote:hello everyone, I started play LoL a month ago, just to try it out. Atm, im just solo queuing normal games on my own, since all my friends only play CoD and FiFa on the ps3.. But how on earth did you guys reach level 30 without quiting? im trying to play as much games a day i can. about 5 to 10, depends on the length of the games, but right now, i'm at the point, that i never want to touch the game again. If i play a game, i wanna be as good as possible, but also play on the ladder. I bought a XP boost, and still it's taking so long to level 30. But that's not my main point. The problem im facing right now, are the people im getting grouped with. Im not saying im a good player at all, im just level 12. But im allways trying to pick something what the group needs.. so mostly im stuck playing support, but i also play mid and top quite often, but i also only pick champions im known with. Everytime when i'm thinking of buying a new champion or something, i learn everything about them to read of forums etc. But it seems no-one gives a f*ck what you pick, or what other pick.. for instance, i just had a game, 2 people instant lock-in on mid champs, both QQing that they are mid, and the other 2 pick AD, and both wanna play bot, but not with eachother.. At that point, i feel we lost the game already.. I don't even want to play with these people anymore, trying to be nice, and get the best out of it.. Then when i'm finally in-game, the true pain starts.. no-one listens to eachother, everyone playing their own single player game. Almost no teamwork.. It annoys me so much, that i wonder how people even reached level 30, bofore uninstalling the game, and never touch it again.. Right now, im just at the point of never playing this again.. Not because the game itself isn't fun, but just the people playing it. People told me, it will be better when you hit level 30, and play ranked. But how to deal with this shit for so long then? So please dear TL lol players, how did you keep urself playing this game, with these people. How to make it fun.. please help me, i really wanna own the Ladders up  thx in advance ^^ PS Not all of my games are going like this, but i would say about 70% of them.. Played 4 games today so far, and all lost in the first 20min, due to people not wanna play as a team, arguing about stupid shit, not listening to eachother, and retarded lock-ins
You try to mute people as soon as they show signs of arguing. Don't unmute no matter what.
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On December 14 2012 03:51 Roffles wrote:
Play with friends. Can't stress that part enough.
I think the most fun I had on League was grinding 1-30 with some friends. Didn't matter that we all blew, especially the fake 30s, but it was entertaining and real fun.
I honestly don't think I'd be still playing League if I didn't grind 1-30 with friends.
I grinded 1-30 with TL, and that's why I love you guys.
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I was the first of my friends to discover league, and I went 1-30 alone. Actually, at your level (I think mine was around lvl 13-15) about all interest in the game disappeared.....I played about 2-3 games a week. Then, slowly, I started getting into the game more and more, and slowly my interest was greater than when I started playing. It's interesting to hear someone else lose interest at around this lvl.
I actually ONLY played easy bots and bots alone when I started playing league, and when I had played enough against easy that I felt it was too easy and knew what I was doing, I started doing intermediate bots (although imo they are stronger now than they used to be). Winning was nice, but it wasnt my goal, my main goal was to learn what the different champions did and what all the items were. When the new week free champions came up, I would go back to easy bots and play once or twice with the new champions who I didnt know anything about so I could learn without getting killed by intermediate bots. Same when I started playing normals, I would go back to bots to learn the new champs. I find it interesting to play all the champions to learn about their kits and what they do, and when I found champions I really really liked then I would get them, otherwise I just stuck to free weeks. Once I hit somewhere around lvl 12-14, I started doing normal games against people, because I wanted to learn how the real game of LoL worked with people, because bots will be bots and are utterly predictable. Here is my experience with lvling 1-30 playing normals against people:
-the lower your level, the greater the chance of leavers, and the greater the chance of whining, both by feeding complainers and by ragers who hate you for trying to have fun learning the game.
Unless you have a driven need to play against people, dont start normals til lvl 20 at least. lvls 20-30 there are less leavers, and (generally) less ragers/arguing ppl. I really hated the people who would be so mean when all we were playin was a game, why so mad ppl... And honestly up to lvl 20 (And beyond) your still learning champions and items and mechanics like last hitting, and playing against ppl can get in the way of that (probes and pylons most useful skill to have). 20-30 (and of course beyond) is great to understand how other people play, in general of course, like learning when its dangerous to go farm that minion wave or when you can get away with it. (Honestly over 350 normal games wins and I still sometimes get an adc on my team who goes into the jungle alone when the other team is all mia and all our outer towers our down and gets killed repeatedly. Causes me lots of face-palms). People calling you out for being bad never really goes away, however the difference is that the better you are, you will play with better people, so when they call you out for being bad, they probably have a point, whereas at lower elo (or any lvl below 30) people half the time get mad at you for doing the right thing, so dont listen to them (example, you are walking behind someone overextending and when they get jumped by 4 people you leave and when they die they blame you for not helping, like it was your fault they died. Dont listen to them, you not feeding was the best play.)
If you play until you are lvl 30, then set all your masteries up and buy a few pages of runes. (I didnt buy runes til lvl 30. Personally I really liked playing with a 'handicap' by not having runes until 30. I felt it forced me to be better. Once i bought them, that week of league was fun, lots of wins, because my current skill level without runes was now my current skill level with lots of boosted stats. Resulted in me getting kills I wouldnt have before, etc.) Honestly, normals should always stay a learning ground, experimentation, a fun area to play, with friends or alone. Sometimes I fall into the trap of only wanting to win normal games and then I get all mad and its not worth it and I dont learn much. Ranked is all about winning, imo, not normals. I didnt touch ranked until I had multiple rune pages (at least 1 for each role) and had champions I was comfortable with in each role. (I personally never understand this: the people who get all mad in ranked that someone took their role. Ok, I get that part, poor grace, someone being a dick, whatever. What I dont get is then they troll and pick someone who they want anyway that does nothing to help the team. The goal of ranked is to win, not try to out-troll people. Same with people who play ranked (in solo que) and dont know every role. Why would you play ranked when you might have to fill a role you cant play? If you are good enough to carry your team with your double AP pick, then hey, awesome! But most people cant do that. When this happens in normals I dont get mad though, I roll my eyes and think 'well, lets see how this non-standard team works out' and when it does its really cool to see, and when it doesn't I go 'yep, thats why you dont (insert fail team comp).)
TL:DR: lvl10-20 takes some time, lvl 20-30 takes a Long Time. Find interest in anything other than winning, because pre lvl 30 when you play normals you have to deal with ragers, smurfs, leavers, etc, with the result that often you win and dont feel like you won, and lose and feel like league is just stupid. I feel like the most basics are best learned playing bots, with the added benefits that your teammates wont rage at you nearly so hard. Just play and rack up those IPs. If the game mechanics or gameplay are uninteresting or not fun, LoL may not be your top favorite game. avoid normals like the plague until past lvl 20 at least unless you want to take the hostility.
Edit: Forgot about metagame. Ya, metagame is fairly important, but later when people know what they are doing. You said people never listen to each other and play their own game. Honestly at your level I think thats fine, you all play your own solo game, learning champions and your own mechanics, do stupid things and die and learn to not do that again, etc. The fact that you know roles right now is quite something. I know I didnt understand all the roles til I was in the lvl 20s, and most games there were no junglers until past lvl 20, simply because you needed the runes and masteries to do it. The fact that you know roles can still be of some help though, because you can help you team out for what they need, which is what it sounds like youve been doing. Honestly just pick whatever champion right now that you havent played or want to play and go, screw metagame or whatever else anyone else has picked. Then, when you are lvl 20+ and the other 4 people actually choose 4/5 metagame roles, you can say 'hey, we actually know what we are doing...' and then you start filling roles like support because they actually can do stuff with people who understand whats goin on. Dont get too happy with wins or too frustrated/mad with loses. The game isn't exactly 'balanced' until everyone has all 30 masteries and full rune pages anyway.
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hmm, I got to lvl 30 in about a month and a half or 2 months? during summer break. I played a lot, and pretty much exclusively duo q'd w/ my best friend til lvl 30. Games from lvl1-30 are all goofing around, the biggest thing you should be working on is mechanical play; don't worry too much about winning or losing. Fuck around, do funny builds. Troll a bit, flame a little, and just don't give 2 fucks.
If you want to get be able to carry wins, just learn to STOMP lanes. First step is learning to farm during laning phase. 2nd step learning how to farm outside laning phase. 3rd step learning to farm in laning phase while completely preventing enemy from farming. 4th step learning to farm in laning phase while STOMPING your opponent to the ground. 5th step, learn to abuse your advantage in other lanes.
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I just played loads of twisted treeline -didn't even try summoners rift till I was level 25 or something. It was pretty fun. But i'd never played a MOBA before, so I found everything incredibly exciting.
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stack xp boosts. get a 10 day and a per win and you will soar to 30 like i did within a week or so
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ALso play on TT for faster games
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I'm just going to post this here in case someone hasn't:
I think it's a terrible idea to buy XP boosts. I'm not going to judge anybody for how they spend their money, but the first ~200 games are crucial to learning champions, what they do, game mechanics, general game sense, learning diff roles, learning diff champs for diff roles, etc. Pretty sure MMR is based on level as well as skill, so you will end up losing a lot more which = less fun. Unless you're exclusively playing with friends.
Also, you'll have less IP for a good variety runes/champions (unless you're going to spend more $, take it from me, quints are fucking expensive! )
Answering the actual question: Already said, play with friends as much as possible, I play probably about ~50% of my games with at least one other person. If you don't find it fun, don't play (that's how I approach SC2). Find champions you find fun in as many roles as possible as quickly as possible so you can satisfy teammates needs for playing a particular role while still having fun.
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