EPT[Patch 1.0.0.152: Preseason 3] General Discussion - Page 60
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On December 06 2012 13:22 Alaric wrote: The order is the same for MPen. Thanks  That means that abyssal is still calculated before void staff then, good to know. So, damage wise, both Voidstaff/HG/sorcs and Abyssal/HG/sorcs deal true damage at (or below) ~65 MR. Anything above that, void staff will come out ahead of abyssal. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 06 2012 13:24 TheYango wrote: I'd say Guise->Liandry's is a much bigger problem case than Bruta. The problem is the same: Excellent Early-Midgame items should not have Good-Excellent lategame items. On December 06 2012 14:14 ChaoSbringer wrote: Rengar's heal should just start at 5% and scale 2.5 per level. Rengar should not have a heal. No manaless champion should. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:14 ChaoSbringer wrote: Rengar's heal should just start at 5% and scale 2.5 per level. That doesn't really solve the problem since Rengar maxes W first anyway. It might hurt his early laning slightly, but it won't stop him from becoming a raid boss. It also puts too many eggs in one basket in terms of game-design. If there was any reason to max anything other than W before, there would be zero afterward. | ||
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Pinith
651 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:00 Telegnosis wrote: I'm so confused right now, I just watched Hotshot build more sensible items than Doublelift. Also Jiji won mid lane. Jiji gets underrated about as much as scarra gets overrated. They're both top mid players in NA, and not up to the level of top EU or Asian mids. Jiji just has a lot more televised games against Asian mids where he loses. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:18 cLutZ wrote: The problem is the same: Excellent Early-Midgame items should not have Good-Excellent lategame items. Rengar should not have a heal. No manaless champion should. In that case I think they should tone down the effectiveness of Guise and Bruta then. Personally I'm not a fan of the dead end builds. Edit: Totally agree about Rengar haha. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:20 Seuss wrote: That doesn't really solve the problem since Rengar maxes W first anyway. It might hurt his early laning slightly, but it won't stop him from becoming a raid boss. It also puts too many eggs in one basket in terms of game-design. If there was any reason to max anything other than W before, there would be zero afterward. I think rengar's w problem is similar to rivens. W was the highest dps, and best utility. They had to move rivens stuff around. Rengar's w is his biggest damage and wave clear and a heal. They need to nerf something so you can't just level the obvious skill. They've removed heals from champions before (remember ez?). | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:26 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I think rengar's w problem is similar to rivens. W was the highest dps, and best utility. They had to move rivens stuff around. Rengar's w is his biggest damage and wave clear and a heal. They need to nerf something so you can't just level the obvious skill. They've removed heals from champions before (remember ez?). Wow, just googled that, how far back did they remove his heal? :O | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Always stun, never not stun. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
Now it's this really weird thing that damages enemies and increases allies' attack speed. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
He can do such crazy damage while building absolutely no damage items. He can take down towers I think possibly faster than any other champion in the game. Rengar can be really sustainy if he builds tank items and Spirit Visage, but a lot of champions can do that, and that's fine really. The issue is that he can do that and still kill people. His ult also gives him a magical free escape if he decides to split push, but if he wasn't doing such crazy damage to towers that wouldn't be so big a deal, and it's his ult that makes his jungling so cool. I think Savagery is the issue. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Base 2 HP/sec Regen with + .2 hp/sec per level. Gets Scaling Mres 345 MS AND manaless? dumb. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:42 PrinceXizor wrote: Why does riven have the best laning stats of any character? Kind of ridiculous. Base 2 HP/sec Regen with + .2 hp/sec per level. Gets Scaling Mres 345 MS AND manaless? dumb. Welcome back sir | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Just recently started looking at base stats a lot more, and i don't get why she has to be the best in every trade oriented base stat, her kit ALREADY does that for her. hell even her AS gain is top 5. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:36 Ketara wrote: I don't think the heal is the problem with Rengar, I think it's Savagery. He can do such crazy damage while building absolutely no damage items. He can take down towers I think possibly faster than any other champion in the game. Rengar can be really sustainy if he builds tank items and Spirit Visage, but a lot of champions can do that, and that's fine really. The issue is that he can do that and still kill people. His ult also gives him a magical free escape if he decides to split push, but if he wasn't doing such crazy damage to towers that wouldn't be so big a deal, and it's his ult that makes his jungling so cool. I think Savagery is the issue. A lot of other champions build sustain, but they don't get a 15% total health burst heal haha, but yeah, it all works in conjunction. He can heal for that absurd amount and do tons of damage. It's his total kit that makes him too strong. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
On December 06 2012 14:49 PrinceXizor wrote: Just recently started looking at base stats a lot more, and i don't get why she has to be the best in every trade oriented base stat, her kit ALREADY does that for her. hell even her AS gain is top 5. Cool lil facts, Darius highest base Armor, Nunu highest lvl18 HP, Orianna like 48 AD lvl1 | ||
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