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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 01:42:27
December 06 2012 01:42 GMT
#1001
On December 06 2012 10:29 beefhamburger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 10:25 NEOtheONE wrote:
So what was the point of nerfing DFG again if they were just going to buff it into this item that bursts down ALL THE SQUISHIES.? Also, has someone tried it in combo with Vlad Ult? It has got to be even more broken then.

Because now it doesn't scale with AP so it's a lot less useful (but still good) in 1v1 situations and better in teamfights. Combined with the increased price cost, I think they did a good job at changing it from being any AP's 5th ability.


It doesn't scale with AP *by itself* but it scales with the ability AP of you *and* your allies. That's more than enough to compensate.

The only thing the changes don't really compensate for is that it lost a bit of cost efficiency compared to old old super OP DFG. Otherwise it does a very similar amount of damage to old DFG except with even *better* utility in a duo AP abduction comp.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
December 06 2012 01:42 GMT
#1002
On December 06 2012 10:09 sylverfyre wrote:
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On December 06 2012 07:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
On December 06 2012 07:19 Leeto wrote:
Has anyone tried DFG on Eve in the new patch yet? How does the 20% damage amplification work with Eve's %hp ult? I assume it stacks multiplicatively?

SHE'S TERRIBLE NO ONE PLAY HER

In all honestly the only thing I'd change from pre-season 3 build is upgrading to Liandry earlier. MAYBE. Because that new DFG is batshit fucking crazy on her.
It's a little harder now that Kage doesn't build into DFG now to save up that 1600 for NLR, but yeah.

Liandry on Eve? F that, its a poke item, not a burst item. Get your void staff earlier instead - with the new MPen calculation, it should probably come as a second or third core. (guise + sorcs > dfg > voidstaff?)

Get Liandry late, if at all. It just doesn't mesh with what Eve is doing (bursting the fuck out of some poor unfortunate soul + bursting team)

Exploding someone and then exploding myself in a teamfight isn't the way to go, imo.
I'd get the Void real late depending on the MR on enemy team, but I'd first throw Abyssal, Guise-->Liandry's and GA in there.
Maybe even a Rylai's depending, but meh.
With new DFG + Eve's already crazy burst anything else is overkill, and at that point I'd rather survive longer in a fight to deal sustained magic damage and/or chase down stragglers which Liandry's is amazing for.
Guise and Sorc's into DFG might seem like the best course of action now that Kage probably isn't a good buy anymore (although Twin Shadows might be a niche pick on her if the enemy has a lot of damage you need to negate+escapes), but personally I'd rather have a Dring or two and a Negatron before trying to climb that 1600g gap.
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beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
December 06 2012 01:44 GMT
#1003
On December 06 2012 10:42 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 10:29 beefhamburger wrote:
On December 06 2012 10:25 NEOtheONE wrote:
So what was the point of nerfing DFG again if they were just going to buff it into this item that bursts down ALL THE SQUISHIES.? Also, has someone tried it in combo with Vlad Ult? It has got to be even more broken then.

Because now it doesn't scale with AP so it's a lot less useful (but still good) in 1v1 situations and better in teamfights. Combined with the increased price cost, I think they did a good job at changing it from being any AP's 5th ability.


It doesn't scale with AP *by itself* but it scales with the ability AP of you *and* your allies. That's more than enough to compensate.

Of course, and I think that's what Riot was going for. Instead of being built as a solo item so you can 100-0 someone, it's now 'more' of a team item that you get the maximum effectiveness by using it with your team.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
December 06 2012 01:47 GMT
#1004
On December 06 2012 10:29 beefhamburger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 10:25 NEOtheONE wrote:
So what was the point of nerfing DFG again if they were just going to buff it into this item that bursts down ALL THE SQUISHIES.? Also, has someone tried it in combo with Vlad Ult? It has got to be even more broken then.

Because now it doesn't scale with AP so it's a lot less useful (but still good) in 1v1 situations and better in teamfights. Combined with the increased price cost, I think they did a good job at changing it from being any AP's 5th ability.


But the % damage is now based off max HP instead and they brought back the CDR. So what if it doesn't scale, now there are 3 AP items that give 100+ AP. DFG + Hourglass + Deathcap and you get 320 raw AP + Deathcap passive.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
December 06 2012 01:54 GMT
#1005
Jesus, going a block based mastery build is so broken. I went

3/3 hardiness
2/2 unyielding
1/1 block
3/3 legendary armor

and grabbed a doran's shield to start.

You can outtrade any autoattacker in the game so hard, irelia, jax, etc since their autoattacks do nothing.

Grab 2 points in perseverance and shrug off any damage that they dish out.

HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 01:57:28
December 06 2012 01:56 GMT
#1006
Jesus christ I can finally sympathize with college kids during finals week. So much work this week O.O.

Did I miss anything in MLG? Or did it just start?

edit: Ha, QT has been going bruta on absolutely every hero this patch. Seems Kayle is no difference.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 01:57:37
December 06 2012 01:57 GMT
#1007
Well they aren't supposed to do anything in the early levels when you start with your dshield anyway...
Irelia is gonna be Olaf-like where you start warden's mail, stack some HP and she won't do much to you too, with the new Warden's passive. It's not as interesting as previously for most champs now though.

Btw, do you know if the new passive follows the previous one (debuff of the base AS) or the "norm" (debuff of the total AS)?

There was a pause so you didn't miss much Shake.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 06 2012 01:58 GMT
#1008
On December 06 2012 10:57 Alaric wrote:
Well they aren't supposed to do anything in the early levels when you start with your dshield anyway...
Irelia is gonna be Olaf-like where you start warden's mail, stack some HP and she won't do much to you too, with the new Warden's passive. It's not as interesting as previously for most champs now though.

Btw, do you know if the new passive follows the previous one (debuff of the base AS) or the "norm" (debuff of the total AS)?

There was a pause so you didn't miss much Shake.

This is why I love League tourneys. I can come an hour late and expect to not miss anything due to the inevitable pause or DDOS.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 06 2012 02:00 GMT
#1009
Is Hurricane worth it on any AD besides vayne/kog?
Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
December 06 2012 02:01 GMT
#1010
oh my god LOL. this prizefights caster just stumbled over his words for like 30 seconds straight
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 06 2012 02:02 GMT
#1011
On December 06 2012 10:56 HazMat wrote:
Jesus christ I can finally sympathize with college kids during finals week. So much work this week O.O.


I never know when Americans speak about College. Is this post 18 school or before? I know university has some of the craziest ups and downs in work load for me :<
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 06 2012 02:02 GMT
#1012
On December 06 2012 11:00 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Is Hurricane worth it on any AD besides vayne/kog?

why would you get it on Vayne? Farming ability?
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 06 2012 02:03 GMT
#1013
It charges Cait's passive in one shot if you stand in a bush. It applies Blight (Varus)/Venom (Twitch) stacks to its secondary targets. It applies Ashe's slow too if Q is on.

It doesn't work for Vayne or Orianna because their mechanic is based around consecutive hits on the same target, if you hit 3 at the same time you reset the count every time (it actually doesn't proc Vayne's silver bolts on the secondary target so she can keep them on the main target).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
December 06 2012 02:05 GMT
#1014
On December 06 2012 11:02 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 10:56 HazMat wrote:
Jesus christ I can finally sympathize with college kids during finals week. So much work this week O.O.


I never know when Americans speak about College. Is this post 18 school or before? I know university has some of the craziest ups and downs in work load for me :<


College in the US is post 18 after you complete high school. Its University basically, people just say college when refering to it casually.
Never Knows Best.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 02:08:04
December 06 2012 02:07 GMT
#1015
Crumbzzz picking up Gauntlet on Amumu. :D

edit: uh, I'm getting confused between Gauntlet and golem. My bad.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 02:08:54
December 06 2012 02:08 GMT
#1016
On December 06 2012 11:05 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 11:02 Numy wrote:
On December 06 2012 10:56 HazMat wrote:
Jesus christ I can finally sympathize with college kids during finals week. So much work this week O.O.


I never know when Americans speak about College. Is this post 18 school or before? I know university has some of the craziest ups and downs in work load for me :<


College in the US is post 18 after you complete high school. Its University basically, people just say college when refering to it casually.


Ah ok cool coz my school had college in its name so I always get confused.

Anything this Dig vs CLG game is quite cool. Some cool players happening! Crumbz gets max ranged aoes all the time lol.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 06 2012 02:09 GMT
#1017
On December 06 2012 11:08 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 11:05 Slaughter wrote:
On December 06 2012 11:02 Numy wrote:
On December 06 2012 10:56 HazMat wrote:
Jesus christ I can finally sympathize with college kids during finals week. So much work this week O.O.


I never know when Americans speak about College. Is this post 18 school or before? I know university has some of the craziest ups and downs in work load for me :<


College in the US is post 18 after you complete high school. Its University basically, people just say college when refering to it casually.


Ah ok cool coz my school had college in its name so I always get confused.

Anything this Dig vs CLG game is quite cool. Some cool players happening! Crumbz gets max ranged aoes all the time lol.

Dig got a nice power-up with Crumbzz in the jungle. Glad to see him back there!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 06 2012 02:10 GMT
#1018
Is chalice normal on AP teemo? Seems a bit of a waste.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 06 2012 02:13 GMT
#1019
He wanted MR against Elise. Also mp5 is good on AP Teemo because using his shrooms on cooldown is actually more mana expenditures than he can afford with his base regen.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
December 06 2012 02:13 GMT
#1020
Aww, it's just zuna subbing for dig. But crumbzz returning to jungle is :D
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