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On November 16 2012 20:34 AsnSensation wrote:
new avarice blade is not that useless anymore, GP with Avarice + tf mid= Money in da bank
Avarice also builds into Atmas / Executioner's Calling now too.
Regarding the cutlass nerf, Gunblade now has
UNIQUE Passive: Your basic attacks and single target spells against champions reduce the cooldown of this item by 3 seconds.
Deals 150 + 40% of your Ability Power as magic damage
It can also build into Blade of the Ruined King.
Both items sound really good on Jax.
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Welp, looks like the viktor upgrades were included in the PBE erroneously. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=31476504#31476504
I do really like how most (all?) items have multiple build paths, so if you get an early warden's mail you aren't basically forced to get a randuin's eventually
For averice's new passive, if you kill 12 minions per minute with it, that's equivalent to an extra 4g/10s, for a total of 8g/10s. Not shabby at all. It seems that Riot wants classes besides the AD carry to take crit chance seriously...
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On November 16 2012 23:24 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, and cross-referencing with the LoL wiki, better ratio on Ult than Lux with (apparently) 2/3 the range. Almost counting on those ratios being nerfed to put her firmly in "support" territory.
Notice that Lux ult travels instantaneously, while the wave has a speed. So better AP ratio makes sense, harder to aim (thought it does CC too, how do you price that with AP ratio?).
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On November 16 2012 23:40 shinarit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 23:24 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Wow, and cross-referencing with the LoL wiki, better ratio on Ult than Lux with (apparently) 2/3 the range. Almost counting on those ratios being nerfed to put her firmly in "support" territory. Notice that Lux ult travels instantaneously, while the wave has a speed. So better AP ratio makes sense, harder to aim (thought it does CC too, how do you price that with AP ratio?).
Good point. So I dunno. It seems begging to be nerfed if they REALLY want her to be a support, but I would love it if she could be a reverse-Zyra (powerful support, mid off-pick). Every time I can confuse in early champ select, the happier I am. Also, it's apparently GREAT CC if you hit people with the end of it, so yeah... RRRL STRONK. We'll see what happens.
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What do you guys think of the new masteries?
I like them on the whole, although the offense tree does seem simpler. Both AD and AP have a clear 21 points they can spec into, with the only real question being whether or not you get Spellsword on AP. Spellsword is clearly worth it if you're planning on autoattacking champions like, ever.
This post gives a pretty good rundown: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2805186
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New masteries look great, but they also seem just straight up stronger than old ones so I wonder how that will pan out.
On a side note the amount of shitty supports dying trying to pickpocket mastery will be immense .
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I wonder if tourney games will turn into an escalating game of "do you dare to base to refresh oracles during baron dance" chicken. Also it does seem like item timings may become more important than ever with the new effects, the first Black Cleaver might decide a teamfight and snowball the game.
Kinda sad that they hit tankiness. Isn't building tanky already being hard enough with the penetration change?
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On November 16 2012 23:25 phyvo wrote:
My queue time for the PBE is over 9000 with an expected wait time of 1 hour 18 minutes. Note that I generally find queue times to be twice as long as they say they are...
This is insane.
PBE queue works a little differently though http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=500650
today i wanted to log in, had 12 mins queue at 7 am, didn't log in and was still "stuck" at 12 mins at 10 am
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On November 17 2012 00:02 tissue wrote:
Kinda sad that they hit tankiness. Isn't building tanky already being hard enough with the penetration change?
You've got to remember that they're also nerfing penetration values.
Also, I'm really happy for the new masteries, defensive looks more usable and biscuiteer is hilarious sounding.
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On November 16 2012 23:49 Ketara wrote:What do you guys think of the new masteries? I like them on the whole, although the offense tree does seem simpler. Both AD and AP have a clear 21 points they can spec into, with the only real question being whether or not you get Spellsword on AP. Spellsword is clearly worth it if you're planning on autoattacking champions like, ever. This post gives a pretty good rundown: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2805186
Spellsword: now everyone can be Diana and Diana can be MOAR DIANA. Also TF. And Ori. O_O
Edit: LOL, and same thing with Nimble: everyone can be Janna ('cept forever alone) and Janna can be MOAR JANNA.
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On November 17 2012 00:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 23:49 Ketara wrote:What do you guys think of the new masteries? I like them on the whole, although the offense tree does seem simpler. Both AD and AP have a clear 21 points they can spec into, with the only real question being whether or not you get Spellsword on AP. Spellsword is clearly worth it if you're planning on autoattacking champions like, ever. This post gives a pretty good rundown: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2805186 Spellsword: now everyone can be Diana and Diana can be MOAR DIANA. Also TF. And Ori. O_O
Ha first thing thought when reading this mastery was it would be fun to use on Ori and just boost her auto-attacks even more from AP.
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new sheen/glacial item is pretty op. Should be good on udyr since shurelyas sucks dicks (have to overreact about every nerf) now and he needs the slow. Was already starting to go philo/hog/mercs/trinity on jungle udyr because of all the kiting fuckers everyone picks these days.
bruisers getting nerfed itemization wise kinda sucks. Inb4 top laners just both spec pickpocket and auto each other all day as a brofist bruiser pact to quit being kicked around by the OP AP carries and AD carries. (especially with that new dfg item hoooly shit). (wriggles udyr vs wriggles warwick with pick pocket looooooooool)
hope the new jungle gets buffed or something. They are just nerfing the gold rewards again but making it harder to get the same amount of gold wtf. Big stone bro was already OP as fuck.
also lol@yango saying "saintvicious farming jungle works better in solo queue because of the selfish nature of it"
wtf bro? You ever jungled in solo queue in the last year? How many times you think your lanes are all going to feed and flame you if you play a farming style. Try to "carry" with extra 300 gold when every lane loses. Saintvicious has always had a shitty solo queue rating and oddone hit rank one with jungle nunu. Ganking is WAY stronger in solo queue because people ward less and play more agressively. Saintvicious farming style worked way better in arranged play when he could do work in the midgame.
seriously people who flame solo queue flamers are doing exactly the same thing as the people they flame. Solo queue people being selfish is a flaw, not an optimal play. The only real things that are weaker/stronger in solo q are strats that require planning and coordination, champs that snowball (good) or need a comp built around them (bad). Everything else is just people being bitter.
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On November 17 2012 00:07 Kaniol wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 23:25 phyvo wrote:
My queue time for the PBE is over 9000 with an expected wait time of 1 hour 18 minutes. Note that I generally find queue times to be twice as long as they say they are...
This is insane. PBE queue works a little differently though http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=500650today i wanted to log in, had 12 mins queue at 7 am, didn't log in and was still "stuck" at 12 mins at 10 am
So, in other words, I'm not going to stand a chance of logging in from this queue unless I leave it on until tomorrow.
That's even more hilarious.
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On November 17 2012 00:02 tissue wrote:
I wonder if tourney games will turn into an escalating game of "do you dare to base to refresh oracles during baron dance" chicken. Also it does seem like item timings may become more important than ever with the new effects, the first Black Cleaver might decide a teamfight and snowball the game.
Kinda sad that they hit tankiness. Isn't building tanky already being hard enough with the penetration change?
I think it might be a little early to say that they hit tankiness.
For one, the tanky masteries in season 3 seem MUCH better.
21 points in defense in S2 gets you:
6 Armor
6 MR
2 reduced minion damage
2 reduced damage
138 HP + 3% HP
3% movespeed
1.5% reduced damage
10% CC reduction
In S3 you get:
138 HP +4% HP
5 Armor +1 armor per nearby enemy champion
2 MR +1 MR per nearby enemy champion
15% slow reduction
5% reduced damage from turrets
15% CC reduction
10% less time dead
3% less damage taken
Or in comparison, assuming a teamfight situation where you're getting the full bonus from Defender, you're trading the reduced minion damage and 3% movespeed for 1% HP, 4 Armor, 1 MR, 15% slow reduction, 5% CC reduction, 5% reduced damage from turrets, 1.5% less damage taken and 10% less time dead.
If I look at an AP build out of the Offense tree, all the new masteries are giving me are .5% damage from Havoc, .5 AP, and Spellsword. Executioner dropped from +6% at 40% health to +5% at 50% health, which may well be a nerf, and the 10% Mpen turned into 8%. So aside from Spellsword, AP masteries are staying even or possibly getting worse. Items like Athenes and Deathcap got nerfed.
It even looks like a viable pure tank build might be like 0/27/3, where you just grab the 2% movespeed in Utility, and go for 10% crit strike reduction and 5% more bonus armor and MR in defense.
Supports will be a lot harder to kill early game, because the Utility tree has a natural 5% movespeed in it, and the boots changes will make them not quite so slow before they get boots, plus they'll be able to start with more wards and more pots.
A lot of people may prefer Barrier over Ignite, which will make everybody harder to kill.
There are also some new tanky items like the Ohmwrecker and Frozen Fist that seem really good, and bottles should make spamming pots a lot more efficient early game with its low price point, which will make everybody harder to kill.
It might be more accurate to say they buffed damage, but they buffed tankiness too.
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I don't like some of the item reworks but all in all this is bloody amazing
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Frozen Fist, Zephyr, Furor Boots.
Hecarim.
K
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On November 17 2012 00:55 Requizen wrote:
Frozen Fist, Zephyr, Furor Boots.
Hecarim.
K
Zephynitely mein frozen führer, Hecarim.
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On November 17 2012 01:00 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 00:55 Requizen wrote:
Frozen Fist, Zephyr, Furor Boots.
Hecarim.
K Zephynitely mein frozen führer, Hecarim.
You and wasabi would get along
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On November 16 2012 03:07 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 03:05 IntoTheWow wrote:On November 16 2012 02:53 Lounge wrote:
I think in comparing her to Janna/Lulu/Sona they were just trying to say "people that like to play these supports will like her"
As opposed to Zyra/Ali/Leona. I know some people who only play these types of supports because the other supports are "boring", and I know some people that hate the tanky/cc supports because they like being more "supporty" GAY I guess. Fix'd. Most of the time when people think they're funny they're not. A wise man once said.
A man said "whenever people call themselves", you should check the quote.
Also that man ain't wise.
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