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[Patch 1.0.0.151: End of S2] General Discussion - Page 275

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
December 03 2012 23:32 GMT
#5481
On December 04 2012 08:14 Sufficiency wrote:
At the current rate, there are 3 CDR + AP items in S3: Grail, Morello's, and DFG. For mana champions Grail is so much better than Morello's that Morello's will never see any kinds of use at all. On the other hand, DFG in S3 is basically a stat-stick; its active is bad, but people will buy it anyway because it's the only reasonable method for a manaless champion to get CDR.

After Morello's buff, and Grail nerf? This isn't true at all.

New Morello's, 2200 gold for:
1500g worth of AP
720g worth of Mp5
20% CDR, assorted passives

New Grail, 2800 gold for:
1200g worth of AP
720g worth of MR
900g worth of Mp5
15% CDR, assorted passives

You have to actually value the Mp5 fairly highly for Grail to be better than Morello's, otherwise Morello's is significantly more cost-effective for the non-regen stats.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:36:05
December 03 2012 23:32 GMT
#5482
Yeah why not get all of them. (talkin' bout Irelia)

TF, Wits End, Zephyr, BotRK, Ninja Tabi, GA.

You could go some funny build like 5/21/4, only get attack speed in offense and movespeed in utility, rely totally on your on hits and crazy attack speed to deal damage and be tanky.

Looks scary to me.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 03 2012 23:38 GMT
#5483
On December 04 2012 08:32 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 08:14 Sufficiency wrote:
At the current rate, there are 3 CDR + AP items in S3: Grail, Morello's, and DFG. For mana champions Grail is so much better than Morello's that Morello's will never see any kinds of use at all. On the other hand, DFG in S3 is basically a stat-stick; its active is bad, but people will buy it anyway because it's the only reasonable method for a manaless champion to get CDR.

After Morello's buff, and Grail nerf? This isn't true at all.

New Morello's, 2200 gold for:
1500g worth of AP
720g worth of Mp5
20% CDR, assorted passives

New Grail, 2800 gold for:
1200g worth of AP
720g worth of MR
900g worth of Mp5
15% CDR, assorted passives

You have to actually value the Mp5 fairly highly for Grail to be better than Morello's, otherwise Morello's is significantly more cost-effective for the non-regen stats.


But in those assorted passives hide the chalice mana regen passive.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 23:43:58
December 03 2012 23:38 GMT
#5484
On December 04 2012 08:32 Ketara wrote:
Yeah why not get all of them. (talkin' bout Irelia)

TF, Wits End, Zephyr, BotRK, Ninja Tabi, GA.

Looks scary to me.


I can throw out any six item build for a champion and make them scary, but getting to that point is an issue.

Right now TF is the core item on Irelia because it gives her so many different things that she definitively needs in one item (movement speed, sticking power, damage) and a few things besides. However, TF is fairly expensive so it takes her quite some time to finish. Many games end before Irelia can finish TF + GA. That's why throwing around builds costing 15750g isn't very useful, and instead we try to find builds of similar value.

On December 04 2012 08:30 zodde wrote:
Wouldn't Frozen Fist be good on irelia?


The problem with Frozen Fist is that it's theoretically good, but you don't get any slow until you finish the item (and then only every time you get a proc). It might be useful as a late-game item to help keep more of the opposing team slowed, but it's not going to replace Phage/TF/Frozen Mallet.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17274 Posts
December 04 2012 00:06 GMT
#5485
I dunno, I'm not very scared of 6 wriggle Heimer.
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 00:18:24
December 04 2012 00:17 GMT
#5486
IDK what you're talking about Monte, frozen fist is the bee's knees, the cat's pajamas, the snake's hip, the capybara's spats! Buy it all the time on everyone to do everything!
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 04 2012 00:23 GMT
#5487
On December 04 2012 08:38 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 08:32 TheYango wrote:
On December 04 2012 08:14 Sufficiency wrote:
At the current rate, there are 3 CDR + AP items in S3: Grail, Morello's, and DFG. For mana champions Grail is so much better than Morello's that Morello's will never see any kinds of use at all. On the other hand, DFG in S3 is basically a stat-stick; its active is bad, but people will buy it anyway because it's the only reasonable method for a manaless champion to get CDR.

After Morello's buff, and Grail nerf? This isn't true at all.

New Morello's, 2200 gold for:
1500g worth of AP
720g worth of Mp5
20% CDR, assorted passives

New Grail, 2800 gold for:
1200g worth of AP
720g worth of MR
900g worth of Mp5
15% CDR, assorted passives

You have to actually value the Mp5 fairly highly for Grail to be better than Morello's, otherwise Morello's is significantly more cost-effective for the non-regen stats.


But in those assorted passives hide the chalice mana regen passive.

It's hard to value unique passives. Grail will still give more mana, but won't hit as hard as the season three counterpart, which means people might want Morello's if they want a little more damage over mana regen. I still think there will be some mana users that will buy DFG, but I guess a lot of these questions will be answered when it all goes live.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Conversion
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3308 Posts
December 04 2012 00:28 GMT
#5488
so does intothewow play league with the summoner's name IntoTheWow

or am i hallucinating
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
December 04 2012 00:32 GMT
#5489
Does anyone know when the next patch/nami will be?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 04 2012 00:35 GMT
#5490
On December 04 2012 09:32 Bwaaaa wrote:
Does anyone know when the next patch/nami will be?

Nope. I'm excited for the season 3 but I just want Nami lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
December 04 2012 00:37 GMT
#5491
On December 04 2012 09:06 Craton wrote:
I dunno, I'm not very scared of 6 wriggle Heimer.


You should be. Imagine Soniv on Heimerdinger. Now imagine him building 6 Wriggle's. Finally, imagine he's on your team.

Scares the Willies out of me.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
December 04 2012 00:37 GMT
#5492
On December 04 2012 09:28 Conversion wrote:
so does intothewow play league with the summoner's name IntoTheWow

or am i hallucinating

No, thats just an imposter
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
December 04 2012 00:45 GMT
#5493
Is there a support streamer that's worth watching? Like he commentates and stuff?
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
December 04 2012 00:51 GMT
#5494
On December 04 2012 09:35 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 09:32 Bwaaaa wrote:
Does anyone know when the next patch/nami will be?

Nope. I'm excited for the season 3 but I just want Nami lol.


Srsly. Dat champ look so fun. Also, MOAR SUPPORTZ.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 00:55:00
December 04 2012 00:53 GMT
#5495
On December 04 2012 09:45 Zhiroo wrote:
Is there a support streamer that's worth watching? Like he commentates and stuff?


Spelsy is around on tl and streams pretty good sometimes. Playing support on stream tends to not be really what the pros do (they don't think its entertaining) so its pretty hard to see good support streams but they're out there. if you want to see pro supporting then just watch adcs or so play on ladder and watch what the support does on the team.

On December 04 2012 09:51 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 09:35 onlywonderboy wrote:
On December 04 2012 09:32 Bwaaaa wrote:
Does anyone know when the next patch/nami will be?

Nope. I'm excited for the season 3 but I just want Nami lol.


Srsly. Dat champ look so fun. Also, MOAR SUPPORTZ.


I would really lower your expectation for nami. Shes really a worse janna at about everything except for the melle adcs that never get any use.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 01:03:49
December 04 2012 01:00 GMT
#5496
I was sort of amused/happy about the reward borders being removed in my game, then I see afterwards that it's a bug. Oh well..
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
December 04 2012 01:01 GMT
#5497
On December 04 2012 09:45 Zhiroo wrote:
Is there a support streamer that's worth watching? Like he commentates and stuff?

Nhat will talk about what he's doing every once in a while. Most of the time he just trolls.
boomer hands
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
December 04 2012 01:03 GMT
#5498
On December 04 2012 10:01 seRapH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 09:45 Zhiroo wrote:
Is there a support streamer that's worth watching? Like he commentates and stuff?

Nhat will talk about what he's doing every once in a while. Most of the time he just trolls.

Xpecial is currently streaming with what you seek.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 01:06:10
December 04 2012 01:05 GMT
#5499
I need to learn a counter to mid Lux when the enemy team gets her, since I loves my Lux so much.

Any suggestions?

I tried Teemo, he does beat her in lane, but I don't like his late game teamfight.

Also thinking maybe Kennen, he's scary to her in lane, but isn't he also bad?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 04 2012 01:09 GMT
#5500
Haha is Teemo really supposed to beat Lux in lane? I did that matchup and was like 3 levels and 3 kills ahead of him by the 10 minute mark, it wasn't even close. I think she's weaker to to champions with gapclosers that actually dodge her slow/snare. Fizz, Kassadin, Talon, Diana, or Katarina for example.
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