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On December 04 2012 08:14 Sufficiency wrote:
At the current rate, there are 3 CDR + AP items in S3: Grail, Morello's, and DFG. For mana champions Grail is so much better than Morello's that Morello's will never see any kinds of use at all. On the other hand, DFG in S3 is basically a stat-stick; its active is bad, but people will buy it anyway because it's the only reasonable method for a manaless champion to get CDR.
After Morello's buff, and Grail nerf? This isn't true at all.
New Morello's, 2200 gold for:
1500g worth of AP
720g worth of Mp5
20% CDR, assorted passives
New Grail, 2800 gold for:
1200g worth of AP
720g worth of MR
900g worth of Mp5
15% CDR, assorted passives
You have to actually value the Mp5 fairly highly for Grail to be better than Morello's, otherwise Morello's is significantly more cost-effective for the non-regen stats.
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Yeah why not get all of them. (talkin' bout Irelia)
TF, Wits End, Zephyr, BotRK, Ninja Tabi, GA.
You could go some funny build like 5/21/4, only get attack speed in offense and movespeed in utility, rely totally on your on hits and crazy attack speed to deal damage and be tanky.
Looks scary to me.
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On December 04 2012 08:32 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 08:14 Sufficiency wrote:
At the current rate, there are 3 CDR + AP items in S3: Grail, Morello's, and DFG. For mana champions Grail is so much better than Morello's that Morello's will never see any kinds of use at all. On the other hand, DFG in S3 is basically a stat-stick; its active is bad, but people will buy it anyway because it's the only reasonable method for a manaless champion to get CDR.
After Morello's buff, and Grail nerf? This isn't true at all. New Morello's, 2200 gold for: 1500g worth of AP 720g worth of Mp5 20% CDR, assorted passives New Grail, 2800 gold for: 1200g worth of AP 720g worth of MR 900g worth of Mp5 15% CDR, assorted passives You have to actually value the Mp5 fairly highly for Grail to be better than Morello's, otherwise Morello's is significantly more cost-effective for the non-regen stats.
But in those assorted passives hide the chalice mana regen passive.
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On December 04 2012 08:32 Ketara wrote:
Yeah why not get all of them. (talkin' bout Irelia)
TF, Wits End, Zephyr, BotRK, Ninja Tabi, GA.
Looks scary to me.
I can throw out any six item build for a champion and make them scary, but getting to that point is an issue.
Right now TF is the core item on Irelia because it gives her so many different things that she definitively needs in one item (movement speed, sticking power, damage) and a few things besides. However, TF is fairly expensive so it takes her quite some time to finish. Many games end before Irelia can finish TF + GA. That's why throwing around builds costing 15750g isn't very useful, and instead we try to find builds of similar value.
On December 04 2012 08:30 zodde wrote:
Wouldn't Frozen Fist be good on irelia?
The problem with Frozen Fist is that it's theoretically good, but you don't get any slow until you finish the item (and then only every time you get a proc). It might be useful as a late-game item to help keep more of the opposing team slowed, but it's not going to replace Phage/TF/Frozen Mallet.
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I dunno, I'm not very scared of 6 wriggle Heimer.
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IDK what you're talking about Monte, frozen fist is the bee's knees, the cat's pajamas, the snake's hip, the capybara's spats! Buy it all the time on everyone to do everything!
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United States23745 Posts
On December 04 2012 08:38 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 08:32 TheYango wrote:On December 04 2012 08:14 Sufficiency wrote:
At the current rate, there are 3 CDR + AP items in S3: Grail, Morello's, and DFG. For mana champions Grail is so much better than Morello's that Morello's will never see any kinds of use at all. On the other hand, DFG in S3 is basically a stat-stick; its active is bad, but people will buy it anyway because it's the only reasonable method for a manaless champion to get CDR.
After Morello's buff, and Grail nerf? This isn't true at all. New Morello's, 2200 gold for: 1500g worth of AP 720g worth of Mp5 20% CDR, assorted passives New Grail, 2800 gold for: 1200g worth of AP 720g worth of MR 900g worth of Mp5 15% CDR, assorted passives You have to actually value the Mp5 fairly highly for Grail to be better than Morello's, otherwise Morello's is significantly more cost-effective for the non-regen stats. But in those assorted passives hide the chalice mana regen passive.
It's hard to value unique passives. Grail will still give more mana, but won't hit as hard as the season three counterpart, which means people might want Morello's if they want a little more damage over mana regen. I still think there will be some mana users that will buy DFG, but I guess a lot of these questions will be answered when it all goes live.
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so does intothewow play league with the summoner's name IntoTheWow
or am i hallucinating
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Does anyone know when the next patch/nami will be?
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United States23745 Posts
On December 04 2012 09:32 Bwaaaa wrote:
Does anyone know when the next patch/nami will be?
Nope. I'm excited for the season 3 but I just want Nami lol.
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On December 04 2012 09:06 Craton wrote:
I dunno, I'm not very scared of 6 wriggle Heimer.
You should be. Imagine Soniv on Heimerdinger. Now imagine him building 6 Wriggle's. Finally, imagine he's on your team.
Scares the Willies out of me.
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On December 04 2012 09:28 Conversion wrote:
so does intothewow play league with the summoner's name IntoTheWow
or am i hallucinating
No, thats just an imposter
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Is there a support streamer that's worth watching? Like he commentates and stuff?
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On December 04 2012 09:35 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 09:32 Bwaaaa wrote:
Does anyone know when the next patch/nami will be? Nope. I'm excited for the season 3 but I just want Nami lol.
Srsly. Dat champ look so fun. Also, MOAR SUPPORTZ.
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On December 04 2012 09:45 Zhiroo wrote:
Is there a support streamer that's worth watching? Like he commentates and stuff?
Spelsy is around on tl and streams pretty good sometimes. Playing support on stream tends to not be really what the pros do (they don't think its entertaining) so its pretty hard to see good support streams but they're out there. if you want to see pro supporting then just watch adcs or so play on ladder and watch what the support does on the team.
On December 04 2012 09:51 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 09:35 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 04 2012 09:32 Bwaaaa wrote:
Does anyone know when the next patch/nami will be? Nope. I'm excited for the season 3 but I just want Nami lol. Srsly. Dat champ look so fun. Also, MOAR SUPPORTZ.
I would really lower your expectation for nami. Shes really a worse janna at about everything except for the melle adcs that never get any use.
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I was sort of amused/happy about the reward borders being removed in my game, then I see afterwards that it's a bug. Oh well..
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On December 04 2012 09:45 Zhiroo wrote:
Is there a support streamer that's worth watching? Like he commentates and stuff?
Nhat will talk about what he's doing every once in a while. Most of the time he just trolls.
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On December 04 2012 10:01 seRapH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 09:45 Zhiroo wrote:
Is there a support streamer that's worth watching? Like he commentates and stuff? Nhat will talk about what he's doing every once in a while. Most of the time he just trolls.
Xpecial is currently streaming with what you seek.
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I need to learn a counter to mid Lux when the enemy team gets her, since I loves my Lux so much.
Any suggestions?
I tried Teemo, he does beat her in lane, but I don't like his late game teamfight.
Also thinking maybe Kennen, he's scary to her in lane, but isn't he also bad?
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Haha is Teemo really supposed to beat Lux in lane? I did that matchup and was like 3 levels and 3 kills ahead of him by the 10 minute mark, it wasn't even close. I think she's weaker to to champions with gapclosers that actually dodge her slow/snare. Fizz, Kassadin, Talon, Diana, or Katarina for example.
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