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samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 07:13:41
November 02 2012 02:36 GMT
#1
Ok so let me start off this guide by saying that this is a guide for myself, but I thought it might help other low elo players to improve. Some of the stuff I say will be hypocritical, seeing I don't follow it myself. However, I'm writing it so that I can remember how to improve.

Ok the first thing I will discuss is:
Elo Hell Now I know this brings up much debate so, to be honest, I'm only bringing this up to tell you to forget about it. The purpose of this guide is to improve. Whether or not elo hell exists or not does not matter. It is something you can't control. If you blame elo hell you won't get better, so you won't gain elo. It doesn't matter if your teammates are terrible, everyone gets bad teammates. You just have to focus on self improvement.

Ok so with this said, at lower elo's it can seem like its you vs the world. Your teammates suck and lose you games, so at lower elo's I'm pretty sure it's universally agreed that you have to "Carry". Basically if you want to gain elo YOU have to win, and to win you have to do the best with what you got. If you have 4 bad teammates, YOU have to be the difference.

"But But I win my lane every game and I still lose." Trust me I've been there. I've said it myself, and will probably say it again. This attitude will get you nowhere. Instead you should be thinking "what MORE can I do?" Just winning your lane isn't enough to win the game.

Ok to win, lets so start at:
winning lanes If you're not regularly winning your lane you don't deserve to be at a higher elo. If you're winning your lane, that's not enough.

Winning lane gets broken down into two things:
CS aka creepscore and kills If you're regularly winning your lane by doing both of these better than your opponent, this is good. Still, it doesn't mean you've won the game.
So at this point you need to think, "how can I do more than just win lane?" One part of winning lane is kills. These provide you money to get stronger. Stop when you get a kill think to yourself, "now what advantage can I gain from this kill?" It could be as simple as gaining more cs ,or it could be something bigger such as grabbing an objective such as a tower,dragon,baron etc. Ok so assume you've stomping your lane. Just having better cs is good but how much is that really helping your team? Now, you need to take your tower. Next kill, you need to gank one of your other lanes and turn that into killing a tower or taking an objective such as dragon.

Also, if you're really ahead, buying extra wards for your team (even if your an ad carry) will give extra vision and map control to your team, which help them make less mistakes. For example having wards will assist in not getting caught and knowing when it's safe to grab an objective.

Even if you have to drag your team to a win, it can be done. Some games are unwinnable but most games you'd think weren't winnable actually might have been if you had put the extra effort in.

Another aspect of winning is
Working as a team If you can see that you're the best player, LEAD your team! Ping objectives and keep your calm. This is one of my biggest problems. I rage hard, which doesn't help anyone. Your teammates, no matter how bad they are, will not play better if you rage at them and most likely play worse.

Ok so you've released you can't carry consistently yet. You are doing everything above, but still aren't gaining elo. Maybe then you as a player are at the elo you should be, but that doesn't mean you can't improve! Here are a few things I can think of that will lead to
Self improvement.

Mechanics such as cs'ing. I for one, know that I need to improve my ability to cs. I cs very poorly and it makes a huge difference. I'm pretty sure that around 15 cs is equal to a kill. So say you have 100 cs and they have 40, the difference is roughly the same as a 4 kill difference \.

Map Awarness: Looking around the map to see where opponents are located or if they're missing. Try to spot possible ganks.

Champion Mechanics Ok, so a lot of people have said that playing only one champion is the best way to gain elo. Why is this? Well, mainly because you will know the in's and the out's of your hero. You will know bad matchups, good matchups, everything! This doesn't mean you shouldn't know how to play any other champs. You should have experience with a handful of champs, just incase you can't get the champ you want.

Positioning This is a skill I need to work on myself. As an ad carry, (which is the role I play most in ranked atm) I don't really know the best way to position myself. In things such as teamfights, I generally have good positional skills. I need to work on my positioning in lane.

All in all there is no quick fix for gaining elo unless you want to cheat yourself. Trust me, it takes practice, and the only way to practice is to play tons of games. I also have got a lot of advice from higher elo players and joined a practice group (LiquidPractice for those interested) where I play with and against higher level players to try to improve.
On November 02 2012 12:07 Sufficiency wrote:
You practice and watch better players play.


I mentioned the playing part but I forgot to add this. Watch streams of pro players!!!! The two main sites I use for this are Solomid.net and Clggaming.net

Auswahlaxiom is learning how to play when he's behind.
I also forgot to add this (credit to Aus for reminding me): Things don't always go your way and you have to learn to play from behind when you're losing. Unfortunately this is another thing I am really bad at. If any higher elo player wants to write a little section about playing from behind, what to do, etc i'll add it in here.

Ok so here is a TLDR bulletpoint on how to gain elo if you're low elo.

- Rid Yourself of Elo Hell excuse
- Winning lane is not winning game. Carry harder
- Never Rage, no matter what
- Be a Leader
- Focus on Self improvement

Those points above are effective ways of how I can achieve my goal of next season, gaining elo.

I currently play at about a 1100-1200 elo level comfortably. I'm not anywhere near the 1380 elo level of play, even though that's my peak elo. My goal for next season is 1600. I can achieve this if I follow my guide which I put together with tips I picked up from higher elo players. Can I achieve my goal, even though it's extremely far away? The only way I'll make it is if I follow my own advice/guide. If I don't follow it, there's no way in hell I'll make it.

Thanks to all the people that have helped me so far improve as a player. I have not put it all to good use and I plan to rectify this. I hope that if you're reading you can see that not everything is lost on me, I just don't execute what I have learnt (which I should).

If you have any comments/suggestions/constructive criticism, or anything I could add (especially helping me with my grammar), please let me know.

On November 02 2012 11:46 Valenius wrote:
You could break each little section up and give it a bold title? Good luck on rising ELO!


Miss Heartseeker (3:13): I like it, definitely covers a bunch of good points. I would go into more depth on good times to get dragon & baron, when to push a lane, how to help your jungle gank
As in how to force your lane to a specific position or manipulate their play

um if anyone more experienced could help with this id much appreciate

On November 02 2012 12:11 swim224 wrote:
Hey, if you want, I'll reformat the OP so that it has proper grammar. =)


Formatting done by swim
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 02 2012 02:42 GMT
#2
It's hard to accept the credibility of a "guide on 'elo hell'" coming from someone who hopes to aspire to one day get out of "elo hell"...
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Valenius
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
November 02 2012 02:46 GMT
#3
You could break each little section up and give it a bold title? Good luck on rising ELO!
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 02:48:41
November 02 2012 02:47 GMT
#4
On November 02 2012 11:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
It's hard to accept the credibility of a "guide on 'elo hell'" coming from someone who hopes to aspire to one day get out of "elo hell"...


quoted for truth. kinda obnoxious to read a post about getting out of elo hell.. from someone who has not gotten out of it yet... This is like a hobo making a post about how to get rich...

You can only teach from experience (in my opinion and experiences so far from life)

Trying to teach something you don't know, benefits nobody.

So in my opinion, this thread/topic is moot until you yourself have proven that you actually know what it takes to raise elo and move on.

samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 02:52:07
November 02 2012 02:50 GMT
#5
On November 02 2012 11:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
It's hard to accept the credibility of a "guide on 'elo hell'" coming from someone who hopes to aspire to one day get out of "elo hell"...


im just saying what i have learnt and maybe some people will see that im in the same situation as them and it may help them realize its not just people that are higher elo that don't know what its like etc. Like im thinking the fact that im in the same boat will help them see it is useful stuff.

also im openly honest and said i need to do this myself im not bragging or telling people oh be like me and your be out of you elo.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 02 2012 02:52 GMT
#6
Pretty sure the key is just to play better. I was able to breeze through the 1100 brackets on a friend's account mostly with Vayne even though I hardly know how to play her.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
November 02 2012 02:53 GMT
#7
On November 02 2012 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Pretty sure the key is just to play better. I was able to breeze through the 1100 brackets on a friend's account mostly with Vayne even though I hardly know how to play her.


YES this is obv but just say play better means nothing thats like me going oh i can be england football manager ok my tactics tell my team to win.
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
November 02 2012 02:59 GMT
#8
On November 02 2012 11:47 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 11:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
It's hard to accept the credibility of a "guide on 'elo hell'" coming from someone who hopes to aspire to one day get out of "elo hell"...


quoted for truth. kinda obnoxious to read a post about getting out of elo hell.. from someone who has not gotten out of it yet... This is like a hobo making a post about how to get rich...

You can only teach from experience (in my opinion and experiences so far from life)

Trying to teach something you don't know, benefits nobody.

So in my opinion, this thread/topic is moot until you yourself have proven that you actually know what it takes to raise elo and move on.



as i said in my guide there is difference between knowledge and execution i know how to hit a perfect free kick in football but do i everytime no.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 02 2012 03:04 GMT
#9
On November 02 2012 11:53 samthesaluki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Pretty sure the key is just to play better. I was able to breeze through the 1100 brackets on a friend's account mostly with Vayne even though I hardly know how to play her.


YES this is obv but just say play better means nothing thats like me going oh i can be england football manager ok my tactics tell my team to win.


Everyone on TL knows that I am a terrible player, first of all.

All I am saying is that the easiest way to move out of a certain Elo bracket is just to play better.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
November 02 2012 03:05 GMT
#10
On November 02 2012 12:04 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 11:53 samthesaluki wrote:
On November 02 2012 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Pretty sure the key is just to play better. I was able to breeze through the 1100 brackets on a friend's account mostly with Vayne even though I hardly know how to play her.


YES this is obv but just say play better means nothing thats like me going oh i can be england football manager ok my tactics tell my team to win.


Everyone on TL knows that I am a terrible player, first of all.

All I am saying is that the easiest way to move out of a certain Elo bracket is just to play better.


yes i know what you are saying but HOW do you play better.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 02 2012 03:07 GMT
#11
On November 02 2012 12:05 samthesaluki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 12:04 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 02 2012 11:53 samthesaluki wrote:
On November 02 2012 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Pretty sure the key is just to play better. I was able to breeze through the 1100 brackets on a friend's account mostly with Vayne even though I hardly know how to play her.


YES this is obv but just say play better means nothing thats like me going oh i can be england football manager ok my tactics tell my team to win.


Everyone on TL knows that I am a terrible player, first of all.

All I am saying is that the easiest way to move out of a certain Elo bracket is just to play better.


yes i know what you are saying but HOW do you play better.


You practice and watch better players play.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 02 2012 03:07 GMT
#12
i was going to make a video series on how to get out of elo hell then i realized i'm bad so i didn't
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
November 02 2012 03:10 GMT
#13
On November 02 2012 12:07 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 12:05 samthesaluki wrote:
On November 02 2012 12:04 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 02 2012 11:53 samthesaluki wrote:
On November 02 2012 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Pretty sure the key is just to play better. I was able to breeze through the 1100 brackets on a friend's account mostly with Vayne even though I hardly know how to play her.


YES this is obv but just say play better means nothing thats like me going oh i can be england football manager ok my tactics tell my team to win.


Everyone on TL knows that I am a terrible player, first of all.

All I am saying is that the easiest way to move out of a certain Elo bracket is just to play better.


yes i know what you are saying but HOW do you play better.


You practice and watch better players play.


well i mentioned practice but i did forget to add watch streams so thankyou il ladd that
swim224
Profile Joined May 2010
Botswana368 Posts
November 02 2012 03:11 GMT
#14
Hey, if you want, I'll reformat the OP so that it has proper grammar. =)
....unless Taeja suddenly parachutes into the studio with explosions behind him and lands on a skateboard which he jumps over the booth before jumping in. If that happened it would be so sweet it would be physically impossible for them to lose. - Haydin
samthesaluki
Profile Joined November 2010
914 Posts
November 02 2012 03:13 GMT
#15
On November 02 2012 12:11 swim224 wrote:
Hey, if you want, I'll reformat the OP so that it has proper grammar. =)


Thanks bro also as a player that went from 900 elo if anything you like to add it would be good coming from sombody who has done it recently
swim224
Profile Joined May 2010
Botswana368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 17:07:07
November 02 2012 03:34 GMT
#16
On November 02 2012 12:13 samthesaluki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 12:11 swim224 wrote:
Hey, if you want, I'll reformat the OP so that it has proper grammar. =)


Thanks bro also as a player that went from 900 elo if anything you like to add it would be good coming from sombody who has done it recently

Haha, sure, I'll add a comment in, probably tomorrow though. I'll redo the OP now though.

Edit: I managed to fix ~half the op before I started to drift off. I'll finish the rest tomorrow if no one else decided to. Here it is:

Edit 2: DONE
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 02 2012 11:36 samthesaluki wrote:
Ok so let me start off this guide by saying that this is a guide for myself, but I thought it might help other low elo players to improve. Some of the stuff I say will be hypocritical, seeing I don't follow it myself. However, I'm writing it so that I can remember how to improve.

Ok the first thing I will discuss is:
Elo Hell Now I know this brings up much debate so, to be honest, I'm only bringing this up to tell you to forget about it. The purpose of this guide is to improve. Whether or not elo hell exists or not does not matter. It is something you can't control. If you blame elo hell you won't get better, so you won't gain elo. It doesn't matter if your teammates are terrible, everyone gets bad teammates. You just have to focus on self improvement.

Ok so with this said, at lower elo's it can seem like its you vs the world. Your teammates suck and lose you games, so at lower elo's I'm pretty sure it's universally agreed that you have to "Carry". Basically if you want to gain elo YOU have to win, and to win you have to do the best with what you got. If you have 4 bad teammates, YOU have to be the difference.

"But But I win my lane every game and I still lose." Trust me I've been there. I've said it myself, and will probably say it again. This attitude will get you nowhere. Instead you should be thinking "what MORE can I do?" Just winning your lane isn't enough to win the game.

Ok to win, lets so start at:
winning lanes If you're not regularly winning your lane you don't deserve to be at a higher elo. If you're winning your lane, that's not enough.

Winning lane gets broken down into two things:
CS aka creepscore and kills If you're regularly winning your lane by doing both of these better than your opponent, this is good. Still, it doesn't mean you've won the game.
So at this point you need to think, "how can I do more than just win lane?" One part of winning lane is kills. These provide you money to get stronger. Stop when you get a kill think to yourself, "now what advantage can I gain from this kill?" It could be as simple as gaining more cs ,or it could be something bigger such as grabbing an objective such as a tower,dragon,baron etc. Ok so assume you've stomping your lane. Just having better cs is good but how much is that really helping your team? Now, you need to take your tower. Next kill, you need to gank one of your other lanes and turn that into killing a tower or taking an objective such as dragon.

Also, if you're really ahead, buying extra wards for your team (even if your an ad carry) will give extra vision and map control to your team, which help them make less mistakes. For example having wards will assist in not getting caught and knowing when it's safe to grab an objective.

Even if you have to drag your team to a win, it can be done. Some games are unwinnable but most games you'd think weren't winnable actually might have been if you had put the extra effort in.

Another aspect of winning is
Working as a team If you can see that you're the best player, LEAD your team! Ping objectives and keep your calm. This is one of my biggest problems. I rage hard, which doesn't help anyone. Your teammates, no matter how bad they are, will not play better if you rage at them and most likely play worse.

Ok so you've released you can't carry consistently yet. You are doing everything above, but still aren't gaining elo. Maybe then you as a player are at the elo you should be, but that doesn't mean you can't improve! Here are a few things I can think of that will lead to
Self improvement.

Mechanics such as cs'ing. I for one, know that I need to improve my ability to cs. I cs very poorly and it makes a huge difference. I'm pretty sure that around 15 cs is equal to a kill. So say you have 100 cs and they have 40, the difference is roughly the same as a 4 kill difference \.

Map Awarness: Looking around the map to see where opponents are located or if they're missing. Try to spot possible ganks.

Champion Mechanics Ok, so a lot of people have said that playing only one champion is the best way to gain elo. Why is this? Well, mainly because you will know the in's and the out's of your hero. You will know bad matchups, good matchups, everything! This doesn't mean you shouldn't know how to play any other champs. You should have experience with a handful of champs, just incase you can't get the champ you want.

Positioning This is a skill I need to work on myself. As an ad carry, (which is the role I play most in ranked atm) I don't really know the best way to position myself. In things such as teamfights, I generally have good positional skills. I need to work on my positioning in lane.

All in all there is no quick fix for gaining elo unless you want to cheat yourself. Trust me, it takes practice, and the only way to practice is to play tons of games. I also have got a lot of advice from higher elo players and joined a practice group (LiquidPractice for those interested) where I play with and against higher level players to try to improve.
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 12:07 Sufficiency wrote:
You practice and watch better players play.


I mentioned the playing part but I forgot to add this. Watch streams of pro players!!!! The two main sites I use for this are Solomid.net and Clggaming.net

Auswahlaxiom is learning how to play when he's behind.
I also forgot to add this (credit to Aus for reminding me): Things don't always go your way and you have to learn to play from behind when you're losing. Unfortunately this is another thing I am really bad at. If any higher elo player wants to write a little section about playing from behind, what to do, etc i'll add it in here.

Ok so here is a TLDR bulletpoint on how to gain elo if you're low elo.

- Rid Yourself of Elo Hell excuse
- Winning lane is not winning game. Carry harder
- Never Rage, no matter what
- Be a Leader
- Focus on Self improvement

Those points above are effective ways of how I can achieve my goal of next season, gaining elo.

I currently play at about a 1100-1200 elo level comfortably. I'm not anywhere near the 1380 elo level of play, even though that's my peak elo. My goal for next season is 1600. I can achieve this if I follow my guide which I put together with tips I picked up from higher elo players. Can I achieve my goal, even though it's extremely far away? The only way I'll make it is if I follow my own advice/guide. If I don't follow it, there's no way in hell I'll make it.

Thanks to all the people that have helped me so far improve as a player. I have not put it all to good use and I plan to rectify this. I hope that if you're reading you can see that not everything is lost on me, I just don't execute what I have learnt (which I should).

If you have any comments/suggestions/constructive criticism, or anything I could add (especially helping me with my grammar), please let me know.

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 11:46 Valenius wrote:
You could break each little section up and give it a bold title? Good luck on rising ELO!


Show nested quote +
Miss Heartseeker (3:13): I like it, definitely covers a bunch of good points. I would go into more depth on good times to get dragon & baron, when to push a lane, how to help your jungle gank
As in how to force your lane to a specific position or manipulate their play

um if anyone more experienced could help with this id much appreciate

....unless Taeja suddenly parachutes into the studio with explosions behind him and lands on a skateboard which he jumps over the booth before jumping in. If that happened it would be so sweet it would be physically impossible for them to lose. - Haydin
D u o
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada381 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 05:01:01
November 02 2012 04:59 GMT
#17
The best way to gain elo is just by playing the same champion over and over and over again, so you learn matchups, your roll and how much you can get away with and when it is ok to cut corners. Once you get to a higher elo you branch off learning another champion of the same roll youll lose a lot but you'll improve a lot quicker because you'll have the mechanics of the other champion under your belt and the fact that you'll be playing better people than you were before.

Some mental notes are things like, don't get discouraged by your team. Sure they might have been the major contribution as to WHY you lost but there are ALWAYS things you can nitpick about how YOU played which is a controllable aspect. Mogwai did a really good explanation on his blog.
wot?
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 06:08:59
November 02 2012 05:32 GMT
#18
In a more practical sense, I recommend players practice and become confident (eg play 20 or so normals in a row) with an extremely hard scaling late game champ, preferably a 'safe' one who can carry very strongly against a team who is not very coordinated, while their own team is also not very coordinated, this generally means a very strong 1v1 duelist. My picks are:

Kog'maw, karthus, warwick and mordekaiser (I primarily use warwick and kogmaw). These are all champions who if the game gets into the later stages become truly terrifying so long as they are not shut down and have gotten decent farm. They also all have the tools to GET that farm reliably regardless of the circumstances. You can put them on the defensive, but it's very hard to zone them or shut them out completely if they know what they're doing. They're also the kind of champions who, no matter how fed the enemy carry is, will still bring them down if you outplay them.

Typically if you are on a team with one of these champs, you are farming well and the game, as lowelo games almost always do, goes past 35-40 minutes, you should be carrying your team hard and winning most of the fights you get into. the ones you lose you should survive or at least trade kills to prevent the enemy getting much out of the victory.


If you really are good enough to beat out most people at your level, play a champion who can really make use of that skill by counteracting some of their weaknesses and making sure your personal strength comes to the fore and is most amplified when it is most needed by the team- in the late game. Picking champs who have an easy/strong early game will make you feel like a boss, but they won't raise your Elo because they typically do not scale well enough to carry the rest of a bad team.
Poisonous Sheep counter Hydras
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
November 02 2012 06:21 GMT
#19
On November 02 2012 12:10 samthesaluki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2012 12:07 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 02 2012 12:05 samthesaluki wrote:
On November 02 2012 12:04 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 02 2012 11:53 samthesaluki wrote:
On November 02 2012 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Pretty sure the key is just to play better. I was able to breeze through the 1100 brackets on a friend's account mostly with Vayne even though I hardly know how to play her.


YES this is obv but just say play better means nothing thats like me going oh i can be england football manager ok my tactics tell my team to win.


Everyone on TL knows that I am a terrible player, first of all.

All I am saying is that the easiest way to move out of a certain Elo bracket is just to play better.


yes i know what you are saying but HOW do you play better.


You practice and watch better players play.


well i mentioned practice but i did forget to add watch streams so thankyou il ladd that


What I usually do is to watch stream VODs of a particular champion I want to get better at (recently, Mordekaiser) and observe his decisions while paying close attention to the minimap. Decisions can be when he decides to B, roam, do jungle, etc. I think it helps a lot.

I think watching live is entertaining but doesn't help as much. Sometimes I want to scroll back a little bit and review (e.g. if the player got ganked, was he overconfident and overcommited or was the timing of the gank really awkward?)
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Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States266 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-02 06:35:17
November 02 2012 06:34 GMT
#20
On November 02 2012 15:21 Sufficiency wrote:
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On November 02 2012 12:10 samthesaluki wrote:
On November 02 2012 12:07 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 02 2012 12:05 samthesaluki wrote:
On November 02 2012 12:04 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 02 2012 11:53 samthesaluki wrote:
On November 02 2012 11:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Pretty sure the key is just to play better. I was able to breeze through the 1100 brackets on a friend's account mostly with Vayne even though I hardly know how to play her.


YES this is obv but just say play better means nothing thats like me going oh i can be england football manager ok my tactics tell my team to win.


Everyone on TL knows that I am a terrible player, first of all.

All I am saying is that the easiest way to move out of a certain Elo bracket is just to play better.


yes i know what you are saying but HOW do you play better.


You practice and watch better players play.


well i mentioned practice but i did forget to add watch streams so thankyou il ladd that


What I usually do is to watch stream VODs of a particular champion I want to get better at (recently, Mordekaiser) and observe his decisions while paying close attention to the minimap. Decisions can be when he decides to B, roam, do jungle, etc. I think it helps a lot.

I think watching live is entertaining but doesn't help as much. Sometimes I want to scroll back a little bit and review (e.g. if the player got ganked, was he overconfident and overcommited or was the timing of the gank really awkward?)

Agreed. I think VODs are WAY more useful for learning how to understand what to think during games than watching live. I watched a ton of Smash's Pantheon before playing it myself - I'm glad I did it, because it helped me breeze over the "WTF DO I DO" phase of learning.
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
November 02 2012 08:06 GMT
#21
On November 02 2012 14:32 Thereisnosaurus wrote:
In a more practical sense, I recommend players practice and become confident (eg play 20 or so normals in a row) with an extremely hard scaling late game champ, preferably a 'safe' one who can carry very strongly against a team who is not very coordinated, while their own team is also not very coordinated, this generally means a very strong 1v1 duelist. My picks are:

Kog'maw, karthus, warwick and mordekaiser (I primarily use warwick and kogmaw). These are all champions who if the game gets into the later stages become truly terrifying so long as they are not shut down and have gotten decent farm. They also all have the tools to GET that farm reliably regardless of the circumstances. You can put them on the defensive, but it's very hard to zone them or shut them out completely if they know what they're doing. They're also the kind of champions who, no matter how fed the enemy carry is, will still bring them down if you outplay them.

Typically if you are on a team with one of these champs, you are farming well and the game, as lowelo games almost always do, goes past 35-40 minutes, you should be carrying your team hard and winning most of the fights you get into. the ones you lose you should survive or at least trade kills to prevent the enemy getting much out of the victory.


If you really are good enough to beat out most people at your level, play a champion who can really make use of that skill by counteracting some of their weaknesses and making sure your personal strength comes to the fore and is most amplified when it is most needed by the team- in the late game. Picking champs who have an easy/strong early game will make you feel like a boss, but they won't raise your Elo because they typically do not scale well enough to carry the rest of a bad team.


Warwick is a weak scaling champion in the current meta and of the others you posted, the only one that is basically impossible to shut down if played well is Karthus and that's at a high level of play, karthus is very easy to counterpick/shutdown when used by less skilled players.

As counter-intuitive as this sounds; to gain elo, you have to not care about your rating. I'll explain:
If you care too much about your elo, it affects your game play and attitude, especially when things go bad (for you or your teammates). It causes rage, arguments, premature surrenders, etc.

For improving, I'd really just recommend choosing one role and sticking to two-three champions. Also, accept that you're going to lose games, it's not that big of a deal. Keep trying to get better and don't get upset when things out of your control cause losses. You will get better. Also, I wouldn't take advice from others around your elo, but you may want to consider anything they say to you. When I first played ranked, I thought I could do nothing wrong, but teammates called me out on things and it made me realize I have plenty to learn and can always learn to make better decisions. Watching people/pros/tourneys helps too, but imo the best way to improve is experience.
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kyriores
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Greece178 Posts
November 02 2012 09:02 GMT
#22
After struggling in lower elo for quite some time I realized that one can't simply expect to get out of it by being slightly better than his opponent (out-csing, have more kills). You have to be playing like a player who is like 400 rating above you in order to carry games. So instead of complaining about being 1300 while you think you deserve at least 1500, just focus on getting better and you will climb even higher than that.

The main mistakes I think most people (including me) do at low elo are the following:

1. Focus way too much on kills and ignore the importance of turret/dragon/baron kills
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2. Randomly buy items without checking who is fed on the enemy team or what their current team lacks, or just doing bad/outdated builds.

3. Think that wards are a support exclusive item.

4. Bad engaging / Bad positioning / Bad focusing / Spam abilities without thinking on whom and when they should be using them. Also forget to auto-attack between spells.

5. Don't understand their role.. Supports ditching their ad carry or people ignoring the jungler's pings are quite a common sight.

6. Roam when there are no opportunities and completely abandon the side lanes when a turret is down, losing cs doing so.

7. Don't pay attention to the minimap and death timers.

I could probably keep adding to this list forever but I think there are so many little things you can do to improve your game that most low elo player can't even think of. So my advice would be to keep playing and practice with a limited pool of champions but don't aim for constantly winning and don't get upset if you lose, just try to play good and think about the mistakes you did after each game. Also watching the replay might be a good idea.
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