EPT[Patch 1.0.0.150: Shadow Isles] General Discussion - Page 79
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
(sidenote, I know nothing about Hecarim, so just saying I don't know how much of what I said applies or doesn't apply to him.) | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23470 Posts
2nd blue is nice to just farm faster without worrying about being oom for ganks but id say 3rd/4th blue are more important. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Chiharu Harukaze
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 28 2012 06:51 Scip wrote: I do think they are really good, but I wouldn't really say they are more significant than getting your ultimate 30 seconds sooner on Lee Sin or Cho'Gath or well any other jungler with a pretty good ultimate. There is no champion specific conflict between Amumu and midlaner who needs blue buff because the benefits that Amumu gets from blue buff is about as much as any other jungler gets. (sidenote, I know nothing about Hecarim, so just saying I don't know how much of what I said applies or doesn't apply to him.) It's not 30 seconds on anyone else though because pretty much no other Jungler has an ult CD as long as Amumu rank 1 ult. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 28 2012 06:29 Capped wrote: Get out of here with your "my elo is so high i play with streamers nanananana" Bad man   No im sorry your wrong, the worst thing is the players who throw the game so hard (talking things like 1-8 or something across the team) and then refuse to surrender. ? Is it wrong for me to write things from my perspective? Obviously my experience with WoD will be different than that of someone that is watching his stream and climaxing whenever Wings says "I build X because Y." | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 28 2012 06:56 TheYango wrote: It's not 30 seconds on anyone else though because pretty much no other Jungler has an ult CD as long as Amumu rank 1 ult. I also don't think 7minute blue (do we call that first blue or second blue?) is that huge on most midlaners. Like Anivia obviously needs it and Karthus wants it so that his ult is up more often for global prescense but someone like Gragas? dunno I'd rather had my jungle hit 6 sooner and have to back less often. | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
My point is, Amumu is not more blue buff hungry than almost any other viable junglers. Except like, Shyvana, who genuinely won't give a crap. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 28 2012 07:01 HazMat wrote: I also don't think 7minute blue (do we call that first blue or second blue?) is that huge on most midlaners. Like Anivia obviously needs it and Karthus wants it so that his ult is up more often for global prescense but someone like Gragas? dunno I'd rather had my jungle hit 6 sooner and have to back less often. I've gotten in the habit of letting 2nd blue go to jungle when I'm playing something like Elise or Zyra (people I don't completely need it on), especially if our jungler benefits a lot from 6. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
http://gdcvault.com/play/1016598/Stacking-Talent-Growing-the-League | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 28 2012 07:03 DURRHURRDERP wrote: In a vacuum no it's not that bad but when the other mid gets blue and is able to spam 20% more (not including the extra mana regen and roaming potential) against your mid it can get pretty bad. But then you have to take into account the enemy jungler not having blue and yours having it. There's so many variables, kind of a hard topic to get the right answer out of :X | ||
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Agnosthar
631 Posts
On October 28 2012 06:34 TheYango wrote: The most questionable thing about CLG.Eu handing 2nd blue to Froggen as a rule is that he virtually never uses it for anything other than staying in lane. Is it really questionable if the other mid lane is getting blue though? Typically not having blue is going to put you behind in some way or limit your options. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 28 2012 07:01 HazMat wrote: I also don't think 7minute blue (do we call that first blue or second blue?) is that huge on most midlaners. Like Anivia obviously needs it and Karthus wants it so that his ult is up more often for global prescense but someone like Gragas? dunno I'd rather had my jungle hit 6 sooner and have to back less often. Incidentally, the issue of jungler level 6 brings to mind something I've seen TPA do on occasion, which is Toyz allowing Ballz to take solo lane XP pre-7 minutes so that he can get 6, or likewise Mistake allowing Bebe solo XP similarly. Consider that 7-8 minute timing for when 2nd blue/red are coming up, having: level 6 jungler, level 6 AP, level 6 AD, level 4 support vs level 5 jungler, level 7 AP, level 5 AD, level 5 support In many cases, the jungler's ult is going to make a bigger difference than the AP's 4th rank nuke in teamfights at that point in time (and likewise the AD's ult will be a bigger deal than the support's 3rd rank skill), and being able to control the enemy's blue/red from the teamfight advantage created will negate the disadvantage of the enemy AP being half a level ahead (particularly if your AP gets a blue and theirs doesn't). Obviously hard to coordinate for practical purposes in solo queue, and is quite teamcomp dependent in terms of having ults/abilities that make sense to do this with, but something interesting to think about. | ||
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DURRHURRDERP
Canada929 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 28 2012 07:10 Agnosthar wrote: Is it really questionable if the other mid lane is getting blue though? Typically not having blue is going to put you behind in some way or limit your options. But yango's example is a good point of this, Froggen getting blue, and not getting blue doesn't really limit options, since he's still gunna be doing the exact same thing. farming mid and wraiths. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 28 2012 07:14 Sufficiency wrote: If I know I will have the second blue as mid I will also be able to get sorc boots instead of (say) chalice. That's also pretty big. In general the mid laners goes through more mana than junglers and do more damage with their mana. Yes, but it's pretty questionable when that damage they're doing with their mana is really only being dealt to creeps. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On October 28 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote: But yango's example is a good point of this, Froggen getting blue, and not getting blue doesn't really limit options, since he's still gunna be doing the exact same thing. farming mid and wraiths. I actually remember some months ago Snoopeh talking about getting 2nd blue on certain heroes. I guess they decided against it. | ||
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